Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

If we draft anything but an OT, LB or maybe a DE w/ our first pick i think there would be an f'ing mutiny and the FO would be the laughing stock of the NFL... it ain't gonna go down that way.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=The Goat;532492]If we draft anything but an OT, LB or maybe a DE w/ our first pick i think there would be an f'ing mutiny and the FO would be the laughing stock of the NFL... it ain't gonna go down that way.[/quote]After using a 2nd round pick to select a backup TE, I wouldn't put anything past the FO, although the early returns of the FA season look good. If we could somehow end up with a talented OT, or Orakpo or Maualuga, I would be happy. Bottom line, we will probably won't land more than one guy in this draft who will start on day 1. That leaves us weak at either SLB or RT.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

Let's look at the tape rather than just basing our analysis on the fact that a bunch of "mock" drafts had Smith as a top five pick prior to his combine meltdown. Apart from the horrible music at the beginning, this clip shows a good number of plays from the 2008 season. I don't like Smith's footwork, he looks slow (and I'm not talking about 40 time), he will struggle with elite speed in the NFL (sound familiar), he is not from this tape a LT prospect (which is fine for the Redskins) and I wonder if he will ever turn into a LT. He gets his nose in front of his toes more times than I would like, even in this limited film and he does not display as much power as I thought I would see. Overall his technique and his footwork makes me think he is more of a guard (which would be fine, but do you want to spend the 13th pick to get Randy Thomas' replacement?) He is not as good an athlete as Michael Oher. Just from this tape I would not take him at 13 (and that is before even considering his off-field issues).

Andre Smith:
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Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

well keep in mind ones a junior and the others a senior, Both could play guard or tackle so thats a plus...i really dont care who we take, cause they're both good to me and will be playing RT for us A smith had more tape to wow us with, plus he's a junior so id take him over a senior whos got less tape to show us, and wow us with...but again i really don't care who we take, they're both good

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;532728]Let's look at the tape rather than just basing our analysis on the fact that a bunch of "mock" drafts had Smith as a top five pick prior to his combine meltdown. Apart from the horrible music at the beginning, this clip shows a good number of plays from the 2008 season. I don't like Smith's footwork, he looks slow (and I'm not talking about 40 time), he will struggle with elite speed in the NFL (sound familiar), he is not from this tape a LT prospect (which is fine for the Redskins) and I wonder if he will ever turn into a LT. He gets his nose in front of his toes more times than I would like, even in this limited film and he does not display as much power as I thought I would see. Overall his technique and his footwork makes me think he is more of a guard (which would be fine, but do you want to spend the 13th pick to get Randy Thomas' replacement?) He is not as good an athlete as Michael Oher. Just from this tape I would not take him at 13 (and that is before even considering his off-field issues).

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From the tooks of it, Oher is doing a better job with the outside pass rush, but that is because he takes a cheat step to the outside. That manuever works fine in college, but in the pros it will make him vulnerable to the inside move. Smith plays the rusher honestly and at times can be beat with elite speed to the outside, but a little bit better footwork will help him there. In all honesty Smith seems to have more talent.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=Angry;532740]From the tooks of it, Oher is doing a better job with the outside pass rush, but that is because he takes a cheat step to the outside. That manuever works fine in college, but in the pros it will make him vulnerable to the inside move. Smith plays the rusher honestly and at times can be beat with elite speed to the outside, but a little bit better footwork will help him there. In all honesty Smith seems to have more talent.[/quote]

I meant footwork rather than technique (though I wouldn't call Smith's technique stellar either). Oher has quicker feet and I think he looks like a better prospect from those films anyway. I don't see anything 'elite' about Smith. Oher looks like a better athlete to me. I'm just a fan, though, and can't claim any great expertise.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;533031]I meant footwork rather than technique (though I wouldn't call Smith's technique stellar either). Oher has quicker feet and I think he looks like a better prospect from those films anyway. I don't see anything 'elite' about Smith. Oher looks like a better athlete to me. I'm just a fan, though, and can't claim any great expertise.[/quote]

I agree. If you ask me whose the better prospect I'd say Smith, but if you ask me who'd be the better pro Oher would lock down a OT spot for 10 years, plus Smith's character and work ethic are spotty which makes me believe he might coast when he gets to the NFL.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

I think if Andre Smith slides to #13, let's go ahead an take him. If he has the skills and talent, let's take him. His debacle at the combine seems to be a mistake and he apologized. People act like he committed a crime, he's learning very early that as a figure in the public eye, he needs to think very careful about his actions. People tend to forget that this is a 21 year old kid. I've worked with college kids for 8 years, and well sometimes they are not going to make the best decisions. Plus, a lot of these kids have a lot of people hovering over them giving them good and bad advice since they are going to be worth a lot of money.

If we take this kid, Buges will be able to bring out the best in him and Samuels will be a great mentor for him. If he has the talent to start at RT, I say let's go for it. Regardless of what happens in what's left of free agency, I think this team needs to take an offensive lineman with that #13. While I think getting a top o-lineman in free agency would have been nice, I think the team will be better off getting a kid like Smith or any of the other o-lineman in the draft.

Here's an interview with Smith in regards to his issues.

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Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

My problem with Smith is, he's had a couple months to prepare for the combine didn't. The fact that he was suspended for the Sugar Bowl would've been swept under the rug and viewed as a mistake made by a young man had he come prepared. In my opinion, he just doesn't project someone who's very motivated.
He had the potential to make Jake Long money and probably won't because he decided to sit on his fat ass prior to the biggest job interview he'll ever have. So what do you expect him to do week to week? Do you think he'll prepare? Will he study game tapes? Try to discover tendencies in his opponents? Become a gym rat?
I hope for his sake he gets his priorities straight and has a good pro day otherwise, he'll fall deep into the first round. Look how far R. Moss fell.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=John Denny;534908]My problem with Smith is, he's had a couple months to prepare for the combine didn't. The fact that he was suspended for the Sugar Bowl would've been swept under the rug and viewed as a mistake made by a young man had he come prepared. In my opinion, he just doesn't project someone who's very motivated.
He had the potential to make Jake Long money and probably won't because he decided to sit on his fat ass prior to the biggest job interview he'll ever have. So what do you expect him to do week to week? Do you think he'll prepare? Will he study game tapes? Try to discover tendencies in his opponents? Become a gym rat?
I hope for his sake he gets his priorities straight and has a good pro day otherwise, he'll fall deep into the first round. Look how far R. Moss fell.[/quote]

Well I think you bring valid points, however...

- Many of the top college players tend to put more emphasis on their school's pro day than the combine. To my understanding, Smith didn't plan to workout at the combine (personally, I think they should make everyone workout at the combine, but that's another discussion).

- His suspension from the Sugar Bowl had to do with him dealing with an agent other than his own (according to Wikipedia). Granted, a big game in his college career, but it's not like he got drunk, committed a crime, or did anything disorderly.

- I do fault him for not being in shape, but this may also have to do with the notion of "your pro day at Alabama is more important than the combine".

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

The FO have said repeatedly they are putting more emphasis on the interviews so I would say that I wouldn't expect them to draft A Smith bc everyone has said his interviews were terrible, but you never know what they're really going to do.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

Pro day is important but so is the combine. Why even show up if you're going to give a half-ass effort? It just doesn't reflect someone who is motivated. How motivated will he be when he gets a fat paycheck?

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

I've already said my piece on Smith. After watching those Oher and Smith clips I thought to myself, "those guys suck!"

Just in case you missed it the first time around, (Thanks 53) here's a real line man.

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Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

Smith's college career seemed pretty stellar and i like he didn't seem to get injured. If there was a deal to trade down i would jump at it though. If not and Smith is available grab him, take advantage of him falling either way.

Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

[quote=Trample the Elderly;535131]I've already said my piece on Smith. After watching those Oher and Smith clips I thought to myself, "those guys suck!"

Just in case you missed it the first time around, (Thanks 53) here's a real line man.

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Re: Andre Smith..Would You Take Him At 13?
 

One thing is for sure, is that he had the talent to start and play at a high level at Alabama, which is FOOTBALL school. If I were GM, I'd have my reservations about drafting him because of his lack of preparation but he could be very good given a stiff kick in the ass. Ideally, he'd play to the level of one of the Andrews boys (Philly). He could be a road grater, clearing running lanes left and right.
I'm just wary picking him with the 13th pick since we have so few picks this year and have so many holes to fill.