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[quote=Mattyk72;374965]Of course there will be some change, but it wouldn't be as radical if they bring in someone from the outside.

Personally, I can see Williams taking over for a variety of reasons. For starters, if Gibbs stays on as team president he's going to have a significant say in the matter. I can't see Gibbs going after a so called "sexy" hire, I think he would want to minimize the changes as much as possible and hiring from within is the way to go in that respect.

The fact that Williams has stayed on when he could have easily jumped ship a few times for head coaching jobs around the league tells me that some sort of informal agreement may already be in place. Yes I know the $1M buyout that's in place on his contract really doesn't mean much considering we're talking about Snyder, but I still think it represents the fact that this idea has been discussed behind closed doors and some sort of arrangement may already be in place.[/quote]


I'll go on record to say i'd like to see GW as head coach whenever JG's leaves. Who knows what Snyder will do? You're probably right about the buyout but Snyder wouldn't blink to pay that buyout if he could get a top tier coach.

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Cowher is awesome!

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i love gibbs and hope he stays as long as possible . .. but i still dont know why marvin lewis didnt get the head coaching job when he was here.

off topic - yes
bored at work but boss is tied up in a closed door meeting for next few hours - yes!

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Joe Gibbs is a wonderful person and WAS a great coach. The other bigger problem is the owner, but we can not fire the owner - so ya Bill Cowher - Big Tuna - Jimmy Johnson, Satan, anyone!!!

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[quote=over the mountain;375051]i love gibbs and hope he stays as long as possible . .. [B]but i still dont know why marvin lewis didnt get the head coaching job when he was here.[/B]

off topic - yes
bored at work but boss is tied up in a closed door meeting for next few hours - yes![/quote]

That's because we had Spurrier at the time. In hindsight it would have been better to can that experiment gone wrong and hand it over to Lewis, but as the saying goes hindsight is always 20/20.

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[QUOTE=LittleBigSpear;375066]Joe Gibbs is a wonderful person and WAS a great coach. The other bigger problem is the owner, but we can not fire the owner - so ya Bill Cowher - Big Tuna - Jimmy Johnson, Satan, anyone!!![/QUOTE]

Are you related to Chief Chucking My Spear?

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[quote=Mattyk72;374991]Why is a young first time hire the answer?

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?

Just wondering why you feel that unless we hire a young guy then things are doomed.[/quote]


Don't forget the wonderful job Cam Cameron is doing down in Miami...lol

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;375068]That's because we had Spurrier at the time. In hindsight it would have been better to can that experiment gone wrong and hand it over to Lewis, but as the saying goes hindsight is always 20/20.[/QUOTE]

Marvin Lewis isn't exactly setting the world on fire in Cincinnati though. Some say it's because of the "character issues" he has on his team. But it's not likely he was sitting idly by without any input when these selections were made.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;374962]I've heard the same thing about Williams and Snyder.

I have mixed feelings about him being the next head coach. Besides, don't we have to interview other candidates because of the Rooney Rule anyway?[/QUOTE]


Well we are in agreement on this one SS, I don't believe Williams is head coaching material at all.

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[QUOTE=offiss;375077]Well we are in agreement on this one SS, I don't believe Williams is head coaching material at all.[/QUOTE]

I feel compelled to change my opinion now...

Seriously though, all I'm saying is don't just hand him the job. I have these fears of Gibbs handing the reins over to Williams only to have GW say "Thanks...I quit" a la Parcells and Belichick back with the Jets

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I'd rather have Williams than Cowher any day. Cowher disqualified himself in that Dallas Super Bowl when he kept throwing with O'Donell even though any fool could see that Dallas couldn't stop the inside run. Rodney Hampton ran all over them in Texas Stadium that year and the Steelers had that big bruiser that got caught with the eye medicine in his car. They should have beaten Dallas that day. Cowher blew it and my Sunday was ruined.

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Midseason is an appropiate time to weigh in on the progress or decline of this team, coach and record. The team as a whole seems to lack a cohesive bond where the offense compliments the defense and establishes some decent drives to give the defense a chance to rest. I'm tired of watching the offense lose its way after a half. The coaching staff headed by Gibbs has no clue how to get the best out of the players they have at their disposal. Where is McCardell, Caldwell, and Yoder? No reason to mention the highest paid benchwarmer other than Brunell. ( Lloyd ) There is a real need for change in the philosophy of how the team's identity should be viewed. That New England game revealed to me a team that had no spine, no balls and no heart. They just took an ass-whipping like gentleman. That 's not the Gibbs lead team I grew up watching, but that's where this team is and its fixable but at what cost to the teams future ? I know it's time for a change because a team like this that makes it to the playoffs will be eliminated in the first round.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA;375111]Midseason is an appropiate time to weigh in on the progress or decline of this team, coach and record. The team as a whole seems to lack a cohesive bond where the offense compliments the defense and establishes some decent drives to give the defense a chance to rest. I'm tired of watching the offense lose its way after a half. The coaching staff headed by Gibbs has no clue how to get the best out of the players they have at their disposal. Where is McCardell, Caldwell, and Yoder? No reason to mention the highest paid benchwarmer other than Brunell. ( Lloyd ) There is a real need for change in the philosophy of how the team's identity should be viewed. That New England game revealed to me a team that had no spine, no balls and no heart. They just took an ass-whipping like gentleman. That 's not the Gibbs lead team I grew up watching, but that's where this team is and its fixable but at what cost to the teams future ? I know it's time for a change because a team like this that makes it to the playoffs will be eliminated in the first round.[/QUOTE]

Whatever happened to [URL="http://www.redskinswarpath.com/368977-post33.html"]this[/URL]?

More importantly though, shouldn't this rant of yours be in the Midseason Grades thread?

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Smootsmack I find it comical that you call my assessment whether it is suitable for this thread or not a rant. If you think this isn't the right place to discuss this, fine. But save the sarcastic shit about what I said in another thread.

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[QUOTE=SUNRA;375118]Smootsmack I find it comical that you call my assessment whether it is suitable for this thread or not a rant. If you think this isn't the right place to discuss this, fine. But save the sarcastic shit about what I said in another thread.[/QUOTE]

1. Get a sense of humor

2. I'll be sure not to call any of your posts "rants" anymore. But as I said, see above

3. You can post your thoughts about the midseason here if you want. It just seemed like it would make more sense in the thread that actually discusses where we are at the midseason point

4. Whatever happened to that site you were going to go start a few years back. Remember, when you had enough of us?

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[quote=SmootSmack;375073]Marvin Lewis isn't exactly setting the world on fire in Cincinnati though. Some say it's because of the "character issues" he has on his team. But it's not likely he was sitting idly by without any input when these selections were made.[/quote]

True, I think he's taken too many chances on questionable character guys and it's hurt their locker room. And what the heck is up with their total collapse this year?

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i hate that squareheaded sack of shit!he,marinio,and sharpe should all be marooned on ego island together!

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack]I think when people cite Lloyd, Duckett, Brunell, Patten, Wright, Harris as some examples of why he sucks then it's perfectly ok to cite Moss, Portis, Taylor, Cooley, Fletcher, Suisham (gotta throw 5 Kicks some love) as examples of success.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;374983]Cheers to that.

People love to focus on the negatives, but throw a positive out there and it's immediately dismissed it seems.

It works both ways, you can't just blame, blame, blame and not toss out some praise when it's warranted.[/QUOTE]

I think it's fair to say that the negatives personnel moves outweigh the positives. Just look at the losing record so far that pretty much answers it.

I'll give him Cooley (though he was a 2 for 1), Fletcher, Suisham, some others.

But the bad ones really take him down quite a bit. Arch, TJ Duckett, Brandon Lloyd... those really hurt.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;374991]Why is a young first time hire the answer?

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?

Just wondering why you feel that unless we hire a young guy then things are doomed.[/QUOTE]


I think the theory is that going out and hiring a coach who has nothing to prove versus hiring someone who is hungry and is eager to prove himself can make a big difference. When Gibbs was first hired by Beathard/JKC, he was the latter.

Problem is, Snyder doesn't have the patience for young guys. He's always preferred the people who have previously given good results.

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Maybe this has been said in the previous 6 pages of this thread but why would we want to trade a conservative, run oriented coach for another conservative, run oriented coach? If you are unhappy with the state of the team then you're probably a member of the "bombs away" club here on the warpath. I'm not sure what you expect of a Bill Cowher coached team that you're not already seeing? I think that all we would get out of hiring coach Cowher would be a 1-2 year setback while he puts his system, personnel, players in.

All of that said, if Gibbs decides to retire and Cowher is available I would think he would be an excellent choice because of the similarities of their coaching styles. It would most likely make for as seamless of a transition as possible.

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[quote=Beemnseven;375287][B]I think it's fair to say that the negatives personnel moves outweigh the positives.[/B] Just look at the losing record so far that pretty much answers it.

I'll give him Cooley (though he was a 2 for 1), Fletcher, Suisham, some others.

But the bad ones really take him down quite a bit. Arch, TJ Duckett, Brandon Lloyd... those really hurt.[/quote]

I'd really beg to differ there.

Outside of AA, Lloyd, and Duckett, what other glaringly bad mistakes were there?

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[QUOTE=irish;374663]So the list could start with no more Cowher threads. I guess we could add no more patrick Ramsey or LaVar Arrington threads. Thats 3. What else?[/QUOTE]

Now this topic could be a new thread! A "Things that shouldn't be threads" thread. I like it.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;375301]I'd really beg to differ there.

Outside of AA, Lloyd, and Duckett, what other glaringly bad mistakes were there?[/QUOTE]

Matty, Matty, Matty, don't you remember when he drafted Ryan Leaf? That was the same year that we also picked up Pacman Jones and KiJana Carter.

My GOD you guys seem willing to give him a pass on EVERYTHING. You need to take the blinders off and see him for the piss poor evaluator of talent that he truly is...


<sarcasm>

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;375288]I think the theory is that going out and hiring a coach who has nothing to prove versus hiring someone who is hungry and is eager to prove himself can make a big difference. When Gibbs was first hired by Beathard/JKC, he was the latter.

Problem is, Snyder doesn't have the patience for young guys. He's always preferred the people who have previously given good results.[/QUOTE]

It's not like Spurrier had done anything at the NFL level when he was hired

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven;375288]I think the theory is that going out and hiring a coach who has nothing to prove versus hiring someone who is hungry and is eager to prove himself can make a big difference. When Gibbs was first hired by Beathard/JKC, he was the latter.

[B]Problem is, Snyder doesn't have the patience for young guys. [/B] He's always preferred the people who have previously given good results.[/QUOTE]

And that is completely untrue, because Snyder hasn't hired any young guys as a head coach for this team. He has hired Marty Schottenheimer (old guy), Steve Spurrier (not as old but not young nor proven in the NFL,) and Joe Gibbs (old guy.) Norv Turner had already been in Washington for about seven seasons and produced one good season for us. As for Steve Spurrier, he resigned after two seasons. The only guy (and I feel Turner doesn't count at this point,) that Snyder didn't have the patience for was Marty Schottenheimer.

Secondly, who's to say that Gibbs isn't hungry to win now? Just because he has been at the top of the NFL in the past, doesn't mean he can't ever have the fire to coach this team back to the top. If JG didn't have that fire and determination, he would've never gotten back into coaching. Please don't say, "it was all because of the money." Please, Joe Gibbs could've sat back with his Nascar team and made enough money for ten lifetimes.

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Let's not forget the moves that we had the opportunity to make but didn't-Adalius Thomas, Courtney Brown, Simeon Rice, Antonio Bryant, among others.

And yes I realize there are potentially positive moves we didn't make either.

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I can understand the desire to hire a young guy and let him do his thing for the next 10 years. But at the same time you have to consider all qualified candidates regardless of age. If someone with the resume of a Bill Cowher is sitting out there when the Skins are looking for a new head coach, I don't know how you can pass him up simply because he's not a young guy.

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I don't get it. What is the appeal of having a young head coach? For every Gruden, there's a Linehan. I think it's alot better to have a proven presence at head coach. It makes it that much easier for the players to respect him and buy into his system. Energy and enthusiasm only get you so far, you've got to have the knowledge and experience to be a great head coach, with a few exceptions.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;375311]Let's not forget the moves that we had the opportunity to make but didn't-Adalius Thomas, Courtney Brown, Simeon Rice, Antonio Bryant, among others.

And yes I realize there are potentially positive moves we didn't make either.[/QUOTE]

Also in this category - Marcus Washington & Cornelius Griffin rather than Jevon Kearse. Bet the eagles would make that trade in heartbeat.

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[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy;375323]I don't get it. What is the appeal of having a young head coach? For every Gruden, there's a Linehan. I think it's alot better to have a proven presence at head coach. It makes it that much easier for the players to respect him and buy into his system. Energy and enthusiasm only get you so far, you've got to have the knowledge and experience to be a great head coach, with a few exceptions.[/QUOTE]


It's the "grass is greener" mentality. We have to draft like the 90's Cowboys team, have a young coach like Pittsburgh or Tampa Bay, and have an explosive offense like Indy or New England.

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[QUOTE=Stacks42;374578]Its being discussed because after 3.5 years we are nowhere close to being a dominant team.[/QUOTE]

I'm not going to read this thread, but I did read the first page. I don't really want to participate, but I will say this: 3.5 years is all the time necessary to be a "dominant" team? Lower your expectations, and wake up to reality. It takes a decade or more to make a dominant team. Look at NE, IND, and PIT.

The PRIMARY reason we are not dominant is the impatience in our organization and fan-base, IMO.

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[quote=SmootSmack;375311]Let's not forget the moves that we had the opportunity to make but didn't-Adalius Thomas, Courtney Brown, [B]Simeon Rice,[/B] Antonio Bryant, among others.

And yes I realize there are potentially positive moves we didn't make either.[/quote]

Denver cut him today. Per Denver Post: [url=http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_7417909]The Denver Post - Broncos release Rice[/url]