Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Marcus Washington plays OLB. Lance Briggs plays OLB (and is 4 years younger than Marcus). Marcus is coming off serious hip surgery. Could it be that his injury is far worse than anyone knows? How is his rehabilitation going? I'm surprised this hasn't really been mentioned in this thread (I think SmootSmack hinted at it). I'd really like to know what's up with Marcus.

The real reason I hate this trade has nothing to do with my confidence in Briggs' abilities. It's the fact that by swapping down to the 31st pick, we lose all ammunition to acquire more 1st day picks. I'd be all for this if we already had a 2nd and 3rd rounder.

Why on earth is Danny lobbing rumors out there now? Something isn't right with this. It don't want it to happen.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=That Guy;291602]probably saying they're into the trade t get the giants/iggles/roids to bite and overpay. I can't believe the skins would actually pull the trigger on this.[/quote]

Well the Eagles could care less about Briggs b/c they just got Spikes. I think the way Briggs became so outspoken against the Bears organization turned a lot of teams off. I wouldn't be surprised if MattyK's theory is right, and this is just Rosenhaus asking a favor of the Danny so they can drum up some interest in Briggs. This guy is a 26 year old 2 time pro-bolwer, and teams seem not to give two shits about him.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=Big C;291474]i actually think this would be a really good deal. briggs would be an upgrade over both washington and macintosh on the outside and we'd still have a first round pick, although much lower. we'd have awesome linebacker depth and would be able to rotate them. briggs is a pro bowl linebacker, this is a good deal if it happens IMO. this is a deep draft, there will be a good player at 31 and would upgrade the defense[/QUOTE]
If this has any truth it might not be so bad. Many drafts have DE Anderson falling to the end of the first round. If we get Briggs and Anderson I be for it but that would be a big if!

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

we have enough linebackers, and he is leaving Chicagp because they dont want to pay him his market value. We CAN'T pay him, so why even bother.

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any time there is a RUMOR that involves drew rosenhaus, everyone should slow down around here. the man is good at getting top dollar for his clients. therefore, the redskins will ALWAYS be mentioned along with whoever his free agent is. its just good business to use the skins as a bargaining tool. because the skins have been known to over pay from time to time.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

This is so beyond stupid its unbelivable....


but its the Redskins, so its very belivable.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

The only way this could be true and not involve me spitting out bile for the next week involves the following variables:
[LIST][*]The Redskins think that there is parity among the top four DT's in the draft. There is legitimate argument that the best DT is Okoye or Branch, and Justin Harrell is rising. If our scouts see a fourth DT in that mix, then he's a guy that should make it through to 31.[*]Marcus Washington is, literally, half the player he was. We know nothing of his health status, and if his hip has rendered him immobile, we don't have the guy to be our SAM LB.[*]Preliminary discussions have Briggs signing a deal that doesn't pay him much differently than the Bears would have in their early contract proposal. Sometimes a player will take less to get out of what they see is a poisonous situation. Granted, it doesn't happen with the Redskins signing checks very often, but hope spring eternal.[*]There's [i]something[/i] else coming over from Chicago, even if it's just for show. Tack a fourth round pick on a deal, and it acts like spackle, filling in the little cracks that we all inherently see.[/LIST]

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Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Hey guys I really don't know what everyone is so upset about, it worked out really great when the Redskins signed Jeremiah Trotter, a young linebacker who had made a couple of Pro Bowls and had become disgruntled with his team . . . oh wait . . . And we didn't drop 25 spots in the first round to do that (NOBODY BUT THE REDSKINS WOULD EVEN TALK ABOUT DOING THAT!). From the sources this story is coming from (Schefter, Glazer, Pasquarelli) I can do nothing but believe that this is absolutely true and the Bears would be crazy not to make that deal. I'm treating this as a fait accompli until I hear otherwise . . . I'm officially on suicide watch . . .

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=Big C;291584]we still have a first round pick though if it happens, so instead of getting just 1 player at 6 we get a pro bowler who is in his prime and a low first round pick. i think a lot of people are reacting poorly because they are excited about the draft and want to see us have a high pick, or have their hearts set on trading down. this trade wouldnt be as bad as its made out to be. there are tons of good DE's in this draft, and from what ive heard from sirius nfl radio good prospects at DE can be had later on in the 1st round and even the 2nd round. they even said the DE prospects are all very similar throughout the top part[/QUOTE]

But what about defensive tackles? Because that's our biggest need.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

I vote to ban the guy who voted for "love this trade" in the poll. Not that I have any clout, but can I get a second on that one?

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2814052]ESPN.com - NFL - Agent: Bears' Briggs could go to Redskins in trade[/url]

"But it's a win-win situation," Rosenhaus said. "Chicago only wants to sign Lance to a one-year contract anyway. If they made the trade, they would move up 25 spots in the first round and be able to choose one of the premier players in the draft. And Lance, obviously, would get the long-term deal he wants [from the Redskins]. It's a good resolution for everyone."

he doesnt mention the skins as part of the winners... We deserve more for the 6th pick that a player and the 31st...briggs isnt goign to play for them, they have no leverage...we should give them both our sixth picks and say you got a good deal on adam, heres your sixth pick back, and ours

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;291563]Ok, so let's step back and look at this trade. I don't have a problem with getting Briggs, and drop from #6 to #31 may not be a total disaster if someone is there at D-Line (I know they have shown interest in Quentin Moses, but #31 may be a little high for him)

But a.) we need more picks and b.) are we committed to Rocky or not?

But does anyone else find it weird that Snyder would even comment at all?[/quote]

Yes, if he did comment it seems that he wouldn't really be interested.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;291603]If this happens I am getting drunk by myself and throwing things.[/QUOTE]

Hey, don't they have those places in Japan where you can smash an entire room to pieces? That's where I would go, if this happened.

Like it was said earlier: I don't think this is going to happen, and Rosenhaus is just using us for leverage.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

This would be a typical ridiculous move for the front office admitting their mistake last year on Rocky McIntosh and essentially wasting 2 picks on a player who won't see the field without an injury to someone else. I'm so disgusted at our decision makers it's painful.

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The part that doesn't make sense is this. Denver offers thier probowl linebacker plus thier 1st, 2nd, 3rd picks. We say no. Instead we want another teams linebacker and a later 1st with no 2nd or 3rd.

Something does not sound right.

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I think Briggs is beast. I like the move. It gives us a TRUE playmaker to put along side of Washington. A leader with washington. The only thing that stinks is Rocky being squashed back down the depth chart. Maybe this is one of those moves the FO made that didn't work out. Maybe Rocky isn't the guy? I personally like the deal, but I would hope to get another pick, maybe a 3rd. I doubt we could take Briggs, 31st overall and a 2nd for the 6th. Briggs is one of the best LB in the league, just hitting his prime at 26. we would be fortunate to get a 3rd.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[QUOTE=GoSkins!;291638]The part that doesn't make sense is this. Denver offers thier probowl linebacker plus thier 1st, 2nd, 3rd picks. We say no. Instead we want another teams linebacker and a later 1st with no 2nd or 3rd.

Something does not sound right.[/QUOTE]Good point. Plus, with Denver we would have gotten the 21st pick as opposed to the 31st.
Maybe the Skins are confirming this rumor to put some pressure on Denver to get this deal done.

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I clicked the wrong button and said I love it, however, don't mistake stupidity for passion. I DO NOT WANT THIS AT ALL.

Can it please just be draft day and we hear the names Branch, Okoye, Adams, Anderson, or Carriker? That's ALL I want to hear.

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I hope and pray this is Rosenhaus using the Skins' for leverage. Snyder and the FO may be doing Rosenhaus a "favor" to help him get Briggs out of Chi-town, but if we do this deal as reported, I will attend the Draft Day party at Fed-Ex....and then jump from the top of the stadium.

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I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;291646]I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.[/QUOTE]

Maybe you're scared about agreeing with 56fanatic, but I agree with both of you. And I'm a mod, so you're safe ;)

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;291646]I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.[/quote]

Yeah but what franchise-tagged player is ever actually worth 2 first rounders? Sean Gilbert certainly wasn't, just ask the Panthers.

We better be getting additional picks besides just the 31st in this deal. Otherwise I'm about done defending Gibbs and his front office moves.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;291646]I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.[/quote]

That is funny. I just think this is an awesome deal for us. we get Briggs and the 31st, we dont lose a 1st round pick when generally you lose 2 first rounders dealing for a franchise player. Briggs is a Ray Lewis type LB. Motor is always running, intense guy who plays with not a chip but a log on his shoulder. Put him oposite Marcus, and taylor we have 3 legit game changers. The draft is very deep with DL and DE, we could still address the line. Maybe he will wear 56! I have been waiting for another 56 so I dont have to hear when are you changing your name anymore

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

After sleeping on this the deal as proposed right now doesn't seem that bad to me. Would I want them to do it? No. But remember (as some have already pointed out) the price tag of a franchise player is two first rounders. In this scenario the Skins still keep a 1st rounder and get a franchise quality player. Can anyone deny what a great LB corps this would be with Washington, Fletcher, and Briggs... with Marshall and McIntosh coming off the bench?!

I think the Skins would actually be coming out ahead on this deal if they were to do it, that being said I'm not in favor of it.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;291646]I think I am scared - Not b/c I think this trade is for crap and that it's going to happen - b/c I think I agree with 56Fanatic.

After reading the comments to the story on ESPN, it looks like Bears fans think they are getting rooked. While not true - the 6th pick is an incredibly good bargaining chip - it's really not that one sided.

Briggs is the franchise player, a straight up trade for him is 2 1st rounders. In this trade, we actually keep a 1st rounder and get a pro-bowl player.

My only real problem with the trade is that we have such a big hole on the DL and by trading down we lose the opportunity to trade the 6th for more shots in the annual crapshoot. Plus, I guess this means Rocky is pretty much a bust.[/quote]

I'm with ya, I don't think on paper this is a bad deal, in fact if we hadn't drafted Rocky it would be a great deal for us. I think everyone's getting all upset over this based on the assumption that Rocky WILL be our starter at wlb. I hope he's ready to be, but as someone said maybe he's a bust, or just hasn't convinced the coaches yet. maybe they see him as a 3rd down LB or to spell both LB spots in some packages?

The other concern is the $. What's the difference between paying the #6 pick & Briggs? Both will get a hefty bonus, but Briggs is a proven commodity.

At #31 we can get a good DE, one that will start. I have reservations about the deal from a team chemistry standpoint more than a talent/value standpoint. As JoeRedskin said, a pro bowl LB & a 1st rnd. pick for a high 1st pick is a good deal. There's more certainty that Briggs will be a top player than the #6 will be. See the recent history of 1st round D-line picks if you disagree.

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I hope this is the mother of all smokescreens!

One thing the Skins FO doesn't seems to comprehend is leverage. If the Bears have a disgruntled member of the defense and has said that he'll never play another down for them then ANY OTHER team should have the leverage to take that player off their hands.

We shouldn't have to bring any initiation of this trade to the table. That should incumbant upon the Bears. The only thing we should be fielding is a mere interest of taking him off their hands, not trade intiations!

I like the deal if the Skins held leverage and solely benefitted by removing him from the team that he swore he would never play for again(obvious leverage)...but I just know that is not going to take place.

KILL THIS DEAL! Let's just hope this is a major smokescreen play by someone who knows what their doing.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Here's another take:
The 6th Pick and Archuletta for Briggs, a late first rounder, a sixth and cap relief.

In many ways, I think the proposed trade - value wise - is about even. I honestly don't know much about Briggs - Is he a system LB (Warrick Holdman/Roosevelt Colvin)? OR Is he a game changer in any system (Wilber Marshall)?

Again, I am not in favor of the trade BUT, if Briggs is the real deal, then I don't think we are taking it up the butt either.

No - franchise players are rarely worth two-first rounders, that is why, when they are traded, it is usually negotiated down. But, and I may be wrong, rarely has a franchise player been traded w/out it costing at least one number one and something else. I haven't analyzed the history of the franchise player trades/signings - but I am pretty sure this would be one where the offering team keeps a first round draft pick.

That said, it all depends on whether or not Briggs is the real deal. If so, we get a guarranteed playmaker and a shot at a solid player in the draft.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

Another thought - after last season, GWilliams said he was going to really analyze the defense and tear things apart if he had too. He also has made comments that indicate the base cover 2 may be vunerable and in need of revamping.

Perhaps Williams has a plan to revamp the defense to account for certain systemic deficiencies. (Wow - there's a concept, "'Skins Have A Plan" , talk about your odd concepts).

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;291654]After sleeping on this the deal as proposed right now doesn't seem that bad to me. Would I want them to do it? No. But remember (as some have already pointed out) the price tag of a franchise player is two first rounders. In this scenario the Skins still keep a 1st rounder and get a franchise quality player. Can anyone deny what a great LB corps this would be with Washington, Fletcher, and Briggs... with Marshall and McIntosh coming off the bench?!

I think the Skins would actually be coming out ahead on this deal if they were to do it, that being said I'm not in favor of it.[/quote]

This is the sort of logic that kind of makes me think this deal will get done. I can just see Danny now, thinking what a great deal it is because the normal price for a Franchise Player is two first round picks and he would only be giving up the equivalent of the #16 overall pick (in points; which is something to remember to those who say we aren't losing a first round pick, actually we are giving up the equivalent of a mid-first round pick). BUT how often do Franchise Players get traded? Ummmmm, that's right NEVER. The Sean Gilbert deal was the last one (which worked great for the Skins, maybe all these stupid trades are karma for that one, as they say payback is a b&#th). This is NOT a deal. I would be something else if the Redskins were giving up a 2nd round pick (which is basically the value that I think ANY OTHER FRANCHISE would give in a trade for Briggs) but this is giving up an elite pick for a non-elite position player. Linebackers are just not DTs or CBs or QBs, AND WE HAVE A CHANCE TO DRAFT AN ELITE PLAYER AT ONE OF THE ELITE POSITIONS AT #6!!! I cannot emphasize enough how horrible a move this is, not because Briggs is a bad player, but because YET AGAIN the Redskins look poised to vastly overpay for a player. Someone wake me up with the Dan Snyder nightmare is over. Even though I'm still pretty young, I fear that I might not see the end of it . . .

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Big C;291474]i actually think this would be a really good deal. briggs would be an upgrade over both washington and macintosh on the outside and we'd still have a first round pick, although much lower. we'd have awesome linebacker depth and would be able to rotate them. briggs is a pro bowl linebacker, this is a good deal if it happens IMO. this is a deep draft, there will be a good player at 31 and would upgrade the defense[/quote]

That's right! Briggs would be our best defensive player instantly! He's 26 years old and would be a Redskin for many years to come. We still have a first round pick to address the defensive line. Normally a Franchise tag would mean Redskins loose 2 first round picks! We come out of this totally ahead. Only reason we had a shot is Briggs is so unhappy with no long term deal from the Bears. He's made the pro bowl the last 2 years and only a 4 year vet. MAJOR UPGRADE FOR SKINS HERE!!

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I don't like this trade at all. Briggs' capability and talent aside, when is this organization going to learn you can't import chemistry? That's the thing that has shot us in the foot year after year. We've never been short on talent, but always short on hunger, chemistry, and leadership.

If we pull this deal the Redskins will look good on paper yet again, but fail to produce on the field.

I can see it now, five games into the season and Briggs and Fletcher are still 'learning the system'.

We need to run like hell from Rosenhaus and his ink pen!

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

I think we're rationalizing now.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;291656]

KILL THIS DEAL! Let's just hope this is a major smokescreen play by someone who knows what their doing.[/quote]

Until proven otherwise that would have to involve someone other than Dan Snyder/Vinny C./and (though it pains me to say it) PRESIDENT (as opposed to coach) Joe Gibbs.

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=Mattyk72;291654]After sleeping on this the deal as proposed right now doesn't seem that bad to me. Would I want them to do it? No. But remember (as some have already pointed out) the price tag of a franchise player is two first rounders. In this scenario the Skins still keep a 1st rounder and get a franchise quality player. Can anyone deny what a great LB corps this would be with Washington, Fletcher, and Briggs... with Marshall and McIntosh coming off the bench?!

I think the Skins would actually be coming out ahead on this deal if they were to do it, that being said I'm not in favor of it.[/quote]


i still want an extra pick from them though

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

The Skins still need a sack threatening DE and that is not something we are going to get with the 31st overall pick of the Bears. The only way we're getting a sack threatening DE is if we stick with our 6th overall.

A. Carter is a sufficent DE in that department but for the off chance that he goes down it would back to the 25 second window of time that other QBs have had every down against us. That has killed us the past two years.

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One more thing. Do we really think we'll just add another three new faces to this defense and we've solved our ills? I don't buy it.

Why in the hell did we draft Rocky...please save me the maybe he's a bust speech. Appearantly, the guy that was coaching him was a bust!

Re: NFL Network: Bears' Briggs, 31st Pick for Skins' 6th Pick?
 

[quote=12thMan;291662]I don't like this trade at all. Briggs' capability and talent aside, when is this organization going to learn you can't import chemistry? That's the thing that has shot us in the foot year after year. We've never been short on talent, but always short on hunger, chemistry, and leadership.

If we pull this deal the Redskins will look good on paper yet again, but fail to produce on the field.

I can see it now, five games into the season and Briggs and Fletcher are still 'learning the system'.

We need to run like hell from Rosenhaus and his ink pen![/quote]

[B]Briggs and Fletcher are still learning how to knock somebody in the mouth? Think they know how to do that already dude.[/B]

[B]Any rookie we draft at # 6 won't need to learn our system or will come in with instant chemistry?? [/B]

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Let's say Smootsmack's theory on Marcus Washington is right, and he's got a nagging problem that bothers the coaches to the point that they need his replacement right away.

Here's what bothers me: It yet again demonstrates this front office's mental block towards the defensive line. Certainly the same argument could be made with regard to Joe Salave'a. He was nicked up all last year, couldn't hold up against the run, and the statistics against the run prove it. But why isn't there the same type of urgency to plan for his replacement? Here we were in prime position at #6 to get an impact player at his position but now, if these reports are true, they're willing to plummet to #31 where it's certain no defensive lineman will be available with any value.

Didn't Joe Gibbs understand how important it was to have a defensive line made up with the likes of Dave Butz, Daryl Grant, Dexter Manley and Charles Mann? What has happened that has taken his focus away from such a vital element to a strong defense?

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Fletcher already knows the system so we can check that one off the list. Briggs is a concern though. He's a good player, no doubt, but how much has he benefited from playing with Urlacher? Would he even be a good fit for this D?