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suppose to be done sometime around 4:00 thursday and the cap will be 95 million

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[left][font=Times New Roman][color=#800000]POSTED 1:39 p.m. EST; LAST UPDATED 3:26 p.m. EST, February 27, 2006[/color][/font]



CBA IS "DONE," BUT . . . .



A league source tells us that a deal between the NFL and the NFL Players Association on an extension to the Collective Bargaining Agreement is "done," and that the only thing keeping the thing from being signed and sealed is the absence of a firm arrangement among owners regarding an expansion of revenue sharing.



The only remaining problem is that the new CBA replaces "Defined Gross Revenues" ([u]i.e.[/u], the stuff that has been shared by the 32 teams for years) with "Total Football Revenues" ([u]i.e.[/u], every penny earned). And if every penny earned, including stuff that isn't currently shared, goes into the formula for determining the salary cap, the problem is that the low-earning teams will see their individual cap numbers influenced by the much bigger money being raked in by other teams.



Stay tuned. It's looking more and more like it's only a matter of time before the owners work this thing out. As they should.
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I'll like it better when its official and announced by a non PFT source.

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[QUOTE=Sean Taylor is God][left][font=Times New Roman][color=#800000]POSTED 1:39 p.m. EST; LAST UPDATED 3:26 p.m. EST, February 27, 2006[/color][/font]



CBA IS "DONE," BUT . . . .



A league source tells us that a deal between the NFL and the NFL Players Association on an extension to the Collective Bargaining Agreement is "done," and that the only thing keeping the thing from being signed and sealed is the absence of a firm arrangement among owners regarding an expansion of revenue sharing.



The only remaining problem is that the new CBA replaces "Defined Gross Revenues" ([u]i.e.[/u], the stuff that has been shared by the 32 teams for years) with "Total Football Revenues" ([u]i.e.[/u], every penny earned). And if every penny earned, including stuff that isn't currently shared, goes into the formula for determining the salary cap, the problem is that the low-earning teams will see their individual cap numbers influenced by the much bigger money being raked in by other teams.



Stay tuned. It's looking more and more like it's only a matter of time before the owners work this thing out. As they should.
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I have to tell you I don't like that other teams that don't work as hard as our owner and team to build more revenue thinks they are owed something more just because! Work harder and build your teams up!!! Don't come a calling with your hands open asking for something that is not yours! I hope the nine team holding out keep to thier guns!!!

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]I have to tell you I don't like that other teams that don't work as hard as our owner and team to build more revenue thinks they are owed something more just because! Work harder and build your teams up!!! Don't come a calling with your hands open asking for something that is not yours! I hope the nine team holding out keep to thier guns!!![/QUOTE]

i agree we deserve the money but right now we need this done or our 2006 campaign will be painful.

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ESPN is reporting that an extension may be reached soon. The story says that Upshaw may allow free agency to be delayed one week if the salary cap extension provided teams with higher salary cap figures for 2006. [url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2347125[/url]

This could be good news. First, we'll have an extension which will allow us to renegotiate deals and covert salaries into signing bonuses. Second, if it pushes the cap figure up, we of course will benefit.

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[i][i][size=2]By [/size][/i][url="http://www.nfl.com/writers/schefter"][size=2][color=#001a79][i]Adam Schefter[/i][/color][/size][/url]
[size=2][i]Special to NFL.com[/i]
SKINNED [/size]

[size=2]Without an extension of the collective bargaining agreement, this could be one of the bloodiest weeks the NFL has witnessed, with more teams cutting more players at this time of the year than the league ever has seen. [/size]

[img]http://images.nfl.com/photos/img9269703.jpg[/img] [font=verdana]Walt Harris finished fourth on Washington with 57 total tackles. [/font][size=2]And no team is in worse shape than the Washington Redskins, who some league insiders believe will have to cut anywhere from 15 to 20 players. [/size]

[size=2]Those numbers will depend on how many players will be willing to restructure their contracts, but one NFL general manager who reviewed Washington's salary-cap situation wondered how the Redskins will even be able to field a team. [/size]

[size=2]For starters, the Redskins are expected to release defensive backs [/size][url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187497"][size=2][color=#001a79]Matt Bowen[/color][/size][/url][size=2] and [/size][url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/3594"][size=2][color=#001a79]Walt Harris[/color][/size][/url][size=2], defensive linemen [/size][url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4580"][size=2][color=#001a79]Renaldo Wynn[/color][/size][/url][size=2] and [/size][url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4024"][size=2][color=#001a79]Brandon Noble[/color][/size][/url][size=2], wide receivers [/size][url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1859"][size=2][color=#001a79]James Thrash[/color][/size][/url][size=2] and [/size][url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395990"][size=2][color=#001a79]Taylor Jacobs[/color][/size][/url][size=2], center [/size][url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4136"][size=2][color=#001a79]Cory Raymer[/color][/size][/url][size=2], and kicker [/size][url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1705"][size=2][color=#001a79]John Hall[/color][/size][/url][size=2]. Even with all those moves, the Redskins still will be significantly over the salary cap, requiring them to release even more players from their roster. [/size]

[size=2]No team is rooting for a CBA extension any harder than Washington. Otherwise, the Redskins team next weekend will be considerably different from the one they have this weekend. [/size]

[size=2]ARMS TRADE [/size]



[size=2]Not all the Redskins moves will be cuts. At least one will be a trade. [/size]

[size=2]The Redskins also are expected to trade quarterback [/size][url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302216"][size=2][color=#800080]Patrick Ramsey[/color][/size][/url][size=2] this week. At least three teams have expressed a serious interest, and one should be able to put together an enticing enough package to lure away a player the Redskins once drafted in the first round. [/size]

[size=2]The Redskins are not expected to get a whole lot in return for Ramsey, due to the fact that there are so many quarterbacks expected to be on the free-agent market. But they will get something for a team that soon could have many holes. [/size]

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[size=2]This is something I picked up about what might happend if the CBA does get signed.[/size]

[size=2]Also fo the ones that say you should have more money because your owner works harder and get more revenue from his stadium and team. I'm sorry to let you down but your team gets the same then others every team has the same cap amount asign the only thing that would change is that your owner and our owner would lose more money.[/size]

[size=2]because they would have to pay more to the NFL and NFLPA because they make more money trough sales, endorsment, tickets,etc... and they don't whant 2 and I agree if I'm making more money because I have exploided my brand (Cowboys - Redskins) why I should make the same revenue as Arizona that has done nothing to earn it.[/size][/i]

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ][i][size=2]This is something I picked up about what might happend if the CBA does get signed.[/size]

[size=2]Also fo the ones that say you should have more money because your owner works harder and get more revenue from his stadium and team. [b]I'm sorry to let you down but your team gets the same then others every team has the same cap amount asign the only thing that would change is that your owner and our owner would lose more money.[/b][/size]

[size=2]because they would have to pay more to the NFL and NFLPA because they make more money trough sales, endorsment, tickets,etc... and they don't whant 2 and I agree if I'm making more money because I have exploided my brand (Cowboys - Redskins) why I should make the same revenue as Arizona that has done nothing to earn it.[/size][/i][/QUOTE]
that makes absolutely no sense at all....seriously what is that?

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[i][size=2] [/size]

[size=2][QUOTE=D'BOYZ][i][size=2][b][[/b]QUOTE][/size][/i][/QUOTE] [/size]



[size=2]This is something I picked up about what might happend if the CBA does get signed.[/size]

[size=2]Also fo the ones that say you should have more money because your owner works harder and get more revenue from his stadium and team. I'm sorry to let you down but your team gets the same then others every team has the same cap amount asign the only thing that would change is that your owner and our owner would lose more money.[/size]

[size=2]because they would have to pay more to the NFL and NFLPA because they make more money trough sales, endorsment, tickets,etc... and they don't whant 2 and I agree if I'm making more money because I have exploided my brand (Cowboys - Redskins) why I should make the same revenue as Arizona that has done nothing to earn it.[/size][/i][/QUOTE]



You should represent Vince Young.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ][i][size=2][b][[/b]QUOTE] [/size][/i]
[i][size=2]This is something I picked up about what might happend if the CBA does get signed.[/size][/i]

[i][size=2]Also fo the ones that say you should have more money because your owner works harder and get more revenue from his stadium and team. I'm sorry to let you down but your team gets the same then others every team has the same cap amount asign the only thing that would change is that your owner and our owner would lose more money.[/size][/i]

[i][size=2]because they would have to pay more to the NFL and NFLPA because they make more money trough sales, endorsment, tickets,etc... and they don't whant 2 and I agree if I'm making more money because I have exploided my brand (Cowboys - Redskins) why I should make the same revenue as Arizona that has done nothing to earn it.[/size][/i][/QUOTE]
What the HELL are you talking about...Is this how y'all do it over at the Dallas forum...?

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The CBA is going to get done. Can we end this. Really though, what the hell were you talking about buddy?

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]

[size=2]Also fo the ones that say you should have more money because your owner works harder and get more revenue from his stadium and team. I'm sorry to let you down but your team gets the same then others every team has the same cap amount asign the only thing that would change is that your owner and our owner would lose more money.[/size]

[size=2]because they would have to pay more to the NFL and NFLPA because they make more money trough sales, endorsment, tickets,etc... and they don't whant 2 and I agree if I'm making more money because I have exploided my brand (Cowboys - Redskins) why I should make the same revenue as Arizona that has done nothing to earn it.[/size][/QUOTE]

It would basically be the same situation that it is now. If the Cowboys and Redskins make the most money in the NFL, then yes, we would lose more money to revenue sharing than other teams who don't make as much. That is obviously happening right now, which is why Jones and Snyder have opposed signing an extention on the CBA.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]It would basically be the same situation that it is now. If the Cowboys and Redskins make the most money in the NFL, then yes, we would lose more money to revenue sharing than other teams who don't make as much. That is obviously happening right now, which is why Jones and Snyder have opposed signing an extention on the CBA.[/QUOTE]

If I was Jones and Snyder I wouldn't oppose it as well. I work hard make money for my team to pay back bills or what about make a few bucks. Then teams that don't work hard come calling and say we wanted a pice of your pie! The hell with that!!! The Goverment get thier share so why would I wanted to give more away to teams that don't work hard to raise cash flow? :headbange

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In defense of D'BOYZ, he's a pretty stand up guy (even if he is a little msiguided and roots for the Cowboys). He's been pretty respectful of us Redskins fans and he usually makes good points.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]This could get us into the Friday Compliance. Then, they would need to work on the veterans to take pay cuts to get some guys back. I'm sure they will be working hard to have a few pay cuts worked out so some of these guys don't have to go. Yes I know that this leaves us with a skeleton roster, but I think that it may be just that come Friday.

Cap Now
116793
Bowen
2000
Harris
2000
Ramsey
1688
Noble
1700
Thrash
875
Sellars
495
Prielou
550
Betts
545
Hall
1180
Raymer
985
Tupa
601
Farris
460
Brown
460
Riley
460
Sykes
385
Carter
385
Burns
385
Johnson
385
All Mins at 310 4030
All Mins at 235 2350






94874 95000

If someone could tell me how to paste excel data in here and make it look better I would really appreciate it! It always screws up the format.[/QUOTE]

So now that Brunnel restructured, that could save Thrash, Sellars, and Betts...

If the Cap moves to $96,000 then we can also keep Prielou and Brown [u][i]or[/i][/u] maybe even sign Royal or Clark.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]So now that Brunnel restructured, that could save Thrash, Sellars, and Betts...

If the Cap moves to $96,000 then we can also keep Prielou and Brown [u][i]or[/i][/u] maybe even sign Royal or Clark.[/QUOTE]

What do you see in Brown??? I don't get it????

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]So now that Brunnel restructured, that could save Thrash, Sellars, and Betts...

If the Cap moves to $96,000 then we can also keep Prielou and Brown [u][i]or[/i][/u] maybe even sign Royal or Clark.[/QUOTE]

1.8mill saves jansen, samuels, and washington. Thrash is gone. betts and sellars are near the bottom of the keep list. Brown and prioleau probably won't be back and the skins may draft instead of resigning royal.

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I believe the team will be fine because we have planned for this situation and inturn have implemented some strategies to get our cap number down

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]It would basically be the same situation that it is now. If the Cowboys and Redskins make the most money in the NFL, then yes, we would lose more money to revenue sharing than other teams who don't make as much. That is obviously happening right now, which is why Jones and Snyder have opposed signing an extention on the CBA.[/QUOTE]

Yeah the basic problem with the owners is Total Revenue Sharing right now teams don't share things like Stadium name gross, Radio deals, stadiums or team sponsor,etc.. So low revenue teams complain that high revenue teams, like Cowboys, Redskins, Texans, Cleveland have more money during FA to give players large Signing Bonus and it hurths their chances to compete.

The High Revenue teams are argueing that they need that revenue because the have mostly larger depts Houston,Washington, Cleveland have build new stadiums and obviusly they didn't pay them up front they took lones wich they have to pay. Dallas will be in the same both this year once the Stadium starts to get build.

Their points is that they had to take more sponsor and exploid their brand to get the revenue necesary to pay for those stadiums. I have to agree with the High revenue teams the idea of a cap is to be competitive NOT EQUAL and if they want to have more revenue well people start finding ways to exploid your brand.

Win some titles for a change change your uniforms like NE did 10 years ago they started to get more revenue and once they won titles are now one of the high revenue teams.

The other problem is with the Union the Owners have offerd 56.2% of the revenue for the players the Union wants at least 60% I can see this going to 58% to get settle because the union needs the CBA more than the owners.

And for the rest of you the CAP has been anounced at 94.5 mill and the deadline to get in to the cap has been moved from 4pm to 10pm so they can have more time to settle the CBA and don't drop more players.

So start to make your predictions of who would restructure his contract besides brunell and how many players would get cut if the CBA doesn't get sign tonigh.

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The skins will be stuck this year (06) because they are so snug against the cap they will have to make some cuts to get under but will not be able to sign any worthwhile free agents. Look for redskin cuts but not much in the signings. 06 is looking to be a write-off for the skins.

The skins are banking on making hay in 07, the uncapped year, when they will be able to throw around $ and try to sign an all pro team and win it all.

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Yeah if no CBA is signed I would have to change my early prediction as having you guys as the best team in the division this would be a tough year to swallow.

Also remember the 2007 season won't be so fun as you all think first to become a unrestricted FA you would need to be a 6 year veteran not 4 so that would take a lot of prospect out of the market also teams will have 2 Franchise tags isntead of 1 so that Also takes away players.

Don't believe 2007 will be a high revenue team wet dream, 2008 will have a better taste.

Also I don't think Snyder want's to drop so many players he want's a new CBA because he doesn't want to start over hey it has taken him 10 years (if not more) to get this franchise in form you really believe he want's to start over when he is so close 2 the big event.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]Yeah if no CBA is signed I would have to change my early prediction as having you guys as the best team in the division this would be a tough year to swallow.

Also remember the 2007 season won't be so fun as you all think first to become a unrestricted FA you would need to be a 6 year veteran not 4 so that would take a lot of prospect out of the market also teams will have 2 Franchise tags isntead of 1 so that Also takes away players.

Don't believe 2007 will be a high revenue team wet dream, 2008 will have a better taste.

Also I don't think Snyder want's to drop so many players he want's a new CBA because he doesn't want to start over hey it has taken him 10 years (if not more) to get this franchise in form you really believe he want's to start over when he is so close 2 the big event.[/QUOTE]


Go ahead and revise your prediction cause it officially aint gettin signed. Tags just said so.

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The Redskins are screwed...

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[QUOTE=RedskinPete]What do you see in Brown??? I don't get it????[/QUOTE]

Not that much, He is just a guy who was able to contribute in the system and has a very low salary. He is expendable, but servicable. Would be about the same as keeping Farris, but would probably lose his job to a draft pick down the road. Notice, I already have us hanging onto most of the core guys.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]Not that much, He is just a guy who was able to contribute in the system and has a very low salary. He is expendable, but servicable. Would be about the same as keeping Farris, but would probably lose his job to a draft pick down the road. Notice, I already have us hanging onto most of the core guys.[/QUOTE]

its either brown or 2 1st year guys. when you're pinching every penny to get up to X number of warm bodies as cheaply as possible, he's probably not in the plan.

DBOYZ, look in the CAP analysis threads for who gets cut. basically if no one restructured, we'd keep 13 guys that'd cost money to ditch an have 34 1st year player and a 47 man roster. brunell alone means we can keep 3 more starters (washington, samuels, jansen) and it looks like many others are going to convert option and base salary (for 2006 and 2007) into signing bonus money (as well as taking actual pay cuts) to keep as many players as possible.

going into 2007 with only 13 good players (+ draftees) really wouldn't give me much hope because of how many holes and depth problems the skins would have. I think everyone realized that (danny offered 1 billion dollar over the next 25 years to help try for a cba to keep this team together). The players all know helping danny out before the whole thing goes crazy is definately in their best interests too.

Can we cut enough salary to still vie for free agents?
 

I wasn't sure what thread this would fold into so mods if you have somewhere else to send it to, feel free..

With the cap at 94.5 million and restructuring happening left and right, is there a conceiveable scenario where we can gain enough cap room to get maybe one WR and a K or DE? I know we won't be able to 'shop' but where do we need to get to cap wise to plug some holes?

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[QUOTE=Paintrain]I wasn't sure what thread this would fold into so mods if you have somewhere else to send it to, feel free..

With the cap at 94.5 million and restructuring happening left and right, is there a conceiveable scenario where we can gain enough cap room to get maybe one WR and a K or DE? I know we won't be able to 'shop' but where do we need to get to cap wise to plug some holes?[/QUOTE]

I moved it here (obviously). The only free agents we will be able to sign are rookie free agents or young guys willing to accept the veteran minimum.

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Wasn't sure which of the CBA/Doomsday threads to put this under, so here goes:

An assumption with any list of players being cut is that they will not restructure in a way that gives back real money. I suggest, and I may well be wrong, that this is not a fair assumption.

Of the list of salary cap cuts how many of these players would expect to make the kind of money that they are entitled to under their current contracts in the upcoming free agency market? We have already seen several (albeit over 30) big name cuts, starters. Given the likely glut of players and paucity of teams able to pay more than minimum, isn't it possible that some of the Skins might be willing to take real cuts to ensure a salary greater than bare minimum? Especially since the salary can be reinflated after this year? If, as I assume he has, Gibbs has recruited and signed "team" guys, isn't it possible they realize that their best bet for both short term and long term personal financial and team success is to find a way to weather 06 with the skins and trust that Snyder's money will be loosed in 07 and beyond?

I honestly don't know which of the players this would affect most, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is in the works right now over at Redskins Park.

Guess will find out tonight!

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Sounds like the extension went down in flames. How many big name players are we going to have to cut?

Re: Can we cut enough salary to still vie for free agents?
 

[QUOTE=Paintrain]I wasn't sure what thread this would fold into so mods if you have somewhere else to send it to, feel free..

With the cap at 94.5 million and restructuring happening left and right, is there a conceiveable scenario where we can gain enough cap room to get maybe one WR and a K or DE? I know we won't be able to 'shop' but where do we need to get to cap wise to plug some holes?[/QUOTE]

only if we draft them or they're 1st/2nd year guys at vet min... outsisde that i really can't see it. Right now our kicker for 2006 is going to be tyler jones. he wears the #2 jersey and i know nothing else about him.

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[QUOTE=randy1221]Sounds like the extension went down in flames. How many big name players are we going to have to cut?[/QUOTE]

I think we will be losing most of our quality depth. We will be very young behind the starters. Atleast we still have Lavar, , , blaaahhh!,, , , oh sorry, i just threw up again.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Wasn't sure which of the CBA/Doomsday threads to put this under, so here goes:

An assumption with any list of players being cut is that they will not restructure in a way that gives back real money. I suggest, and I may well be wrong, that this is not a fair assumption.

Of the list of salary cap cuts how many of these players would expect to make the kind of money that they are entitled to under their current contracts in the upcoming free agency market? We have already seen several (albeit over 30) big name cuts, starters. Given the likely glut of players and paucity of teams able to pay more than minimum, isn't it possible that some of the Skins might be willing to take real cuts to ensure a salary greater than bare minimum? Especially since the salary can be reinflated after this year? If, as I assume he has, Gibbs has recruited and signed "team" guys, isn't it possible they realize that their best bet for both short term and long term personal financial and team success is to find a way to weather 06 with the skins and trust that Snyder's money will be loosed in 07 and beyond?

I honestly don't know which of the players this would affect most, but I wouldn't be surprised if that is in the works right now over at Redskins Park.

Guess will find out tonight![/QUOTE]

the cut/keep list and the 34 rookies stuff comes with the assumption of no restructures right on the face of it. every restructure adds more keepers.

its easier to add people to a keep lists right now instead of making a cut list, because right now only 1.8mill of brunell's rework is known. we know others like portis have helped too, but without dollar figures, its impossible to make any real predictions.

We'll probably stay as close to the cap as we can, and after the draft start firing vet min guys as needed to make room for drafteess and undrafted rookies.

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[QUOTE=randy1221]Sounds like the extension went down in flames. How many big name players are we going to have to cut?[/QUOTE]

depends entirely on the restructure figures. all but 13 with no restructures (which we know some players are helping). We'll get a definitive cut list tonight before we'll get all the restructure numbers, so the best (and only) advice right now iss wait and see.

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This really sucks I was looking for a verry competitive tough season let's see how they handdle it but it doesn't look good, we're in a good shape we just cut glover we'll be around 10 mill under the cap so we would get stronger. lets hope no blockbuster deals we might get screwed in the future