Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

[QUOTE=saden1]Under these conditions yes.

* You have a problem, shut your mouth.
* You want the ball, don't ask for it.
* You want to win, we all do but losses are part of the game so shut your mouth.
* Just shut your mouth and play![/QUOTE]


Seriously. If we can put these circumstances IN A CONTRACT, which could be voided if violated, as much as I've talked sh*t about the guy....he's exactly the type of player we could use. Again, I wish someone like Chad Johnson was avalible.

Anyways, it wont ever happen, so I'm not worried.

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

YES

I would take TO. I think this year will humble him in my opinion. His mouth got him in trouble, and jepordized his career, you think that doesn't play in his mind. The next team that gets him is gonna have a steal because he will be smarter in what he says.

He wants to be payed like a top ten reciever, I can't see why he shouldn't. HE IS A TOP TEN WIDEOUT. Can we give him the money, I don't know. I know we can pay him what he wants, but can we fit him under the cap?

If you look at what he would bring to the team. ~Moss would no longer be double or triple teamed. He would free up the run for portis, and with weapons like that Rogers has no option but to succed and become better.

If we can keep Greg Williams here for next year, we would become a instant superbowl contender, can't deny the potiential

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]YES

I would take TO. I think this year will humble him in my opinion. His mouth got him in trouble, and jepordized his career, you think that doesn't play in his mind. The next team that gets him is gonna have a steal because he will be smarter in what he says.

He wants to be payed like a top ten reciever, I can't see why he shouldn't. HE IS A TOP TEN WIDEOUT. Can we give him the money, I don't know. I know we can pay him what he wants, but can we fit him under the cap?

If you look at what he would bring to the team. ~Moss would no longer be double or triple teamed. He would free up the run for portis, and with weapons like that Rogers has no option but to succed and become better.

[B]If we can keep Greg Williams here for next year, we would become a instant superbowl contender, can't deny the potiential[/B][/QUOTE]

This would be different than say 2000 when we just added guys for the hell of it too, we would still have a well established team around it.

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

[QUOTE=irish]The Eagles locker room appears to be divided. My point is that the person I was responding to said TO was a huge cancer in the locker room. My response is that if TO was such a huge cancer nobody would come to his defense. The fact that a group of players want him back tells me he is not the huge cancer people outside the locker room think he is.

If TO played like he did last year the skins locker room would not be divided.[/QUOTE]To be fair the only players that I have heard would want him back where on D. They pratice at the other end of the field, they sit at opposite side of the bench, they have separate mettings etc...

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

[QUOTE=saden1]Under these conditions yes.

* You have a problem, shut your mouth.
* You want the ball, don't ask for it.
* You want to win, we all do but losses are part of the game so shut your mouth.
* Just shut your mouth and play![/QUOTE]

We all know this simply isn't going to happen.

He's proven it time after time. The guy is a walking soap opera, he loves the drama. Sooner or later he'll open his trap and he'll burn another team. I have faith it won't be here, not as long as Gibbs has a say.

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

[QUOTE=wewhite3]Clinton Portis was at T.O.'s birthday party and when someone asked him about Owens he said that he would be a great teammate. [B]It's[U] sad [/U]that he thought T.O. would bring alot to the Skins.
[/B]
Portis endorsed S.Moss coming to Washington and it worked out, even when everyone was pissed because he didn't come to the off-season pratice. Question: Simple yes or no, would you support T.O. in a Redskins Uniform?[/QUOTE]

"It's sad" eh? Freudian slip there wewhite? CP was invited to his party, what else is he going to say really?

But it's not like the Eagles are the first team TO has had issues with. Remember the Niners and even the Ravens. He can be a good teammate until things don't start going his way, and you never know when that would be or what would set him off.

I don't think we need him. By the way, how about the fact that he'll be 33 next season? That will probably factor into some teams' decisions

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

[QUOTE=irish]If TO played like he did last year the skins locker room would not be divided.[/QUOTE]

And if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump its ass when it hops.

TO was playing like he was last year until he opened his big fat mouth one too many times and got suspended. In 7 games this year he had 763 yards and 6 TDs. When you project that to a 16 game season, he was performing just as well as he did last year.

No matter what happens, as long as TO is playing he's going to put up crazy good numbers. But the question is what will his mouth do to the team? In the Eagles' case, it divided the locker room, resulting in Trotter speaking out against Reid.

He'd never play for a one-year deal because he knows he can get a bigger bonus from some other team out there. It's too big a risk to sign him to big money.

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

NO! H#LL NO! UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES, NO!

TO is the biggest cancer in sports. He would completely undermine anything the coaching staff is trying to accomplish. Look at the wake he personnelly has created in San Francisco and Philadelphia.

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

[QUOTE=saden1]Under these conditions yes.

* You have a problem, shut your mouth.
* You want the ball, don't ask for it.
* You want to win, we all do but losses are part of the game so shut your mouth.
* Just shut your mouth and play![/QUOTE]

TO's problem is more than just shutting up - it's his incredibly easily injured ego that causes the problem. Once he PERCEIVES a slight - his attitude kicks in and he is incapable of acting or speaking in a manner that would let the issue slide. The slight DEMANDS that he address, through actions and words, the slight - apparently to do otherwise is to admit weakness. He simply is incapable of being an adult.

One of the things I have seen concerning his SB heroics last year was that, when he went down and his teammates bucked up and said "we don't need TO to win it all", TO took that as a slight to him. His follow-up actions seem to support that theory. From that moment on, the relationship soured. He had to take steps to show that, in fact, he was the most important guy on the team. The money demands started, the bad-mouthing McNabb started.

Apparently, he is one giant walking insecurity who needs constant reassurance that he is truly magnificent (one of the Eagles offensive players said something along the lines of "We knew he had issues, but nobody realized just how many and how deep they were").

Until and unless Owens realizes that just b/c someone isn't saying your great doesn't mean that they are being disrespectful to you -he will always be a cancer.

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]TO's problem is more than just shutting up - it's his incredibly easily injured ego that causes the problem. Once he PERCEIVES a slight - his attitude kicks in and he is incapable of acting or speaking in a manner that would let the issue slide. The slight DEMANDS that he address, through actions and words, the slight - apparently to do otherwise is to admit weakness. He simply is incapable of being an adult.

One of the things I have seen concerning his SB heroics last year was that, when he went down and his teammates bucked up and said "we don't need TO to win it all", TO took that as a slight to him. His follow-up actions seem to support that theory. From that moment on, the relationship soured. He had to take steps to show that, in fact, he was the most important guy on the team. The money demands started, the bad-mouthing McNabb started.

Apparently, he is one giant walking insecurity who needs constant reassurance that he is truly magnificent (one of the Eagles offensive players said something along the lines of "We knew he had issues, but nobody realized just how many and how deep they were").

Until and unless Owens realizes that just b/c someone isn't saying your great doesn't mean that they are being disrespectful to you -he will always be a cancer.[/QUOTE]

Nice post. Very insightful.

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

[QUOTE=irish]I didnt say he played in the SB for the good of the team, I said he played to try to get Philly a championship. Two totally different things.[/QUOTE]

Yes, you've managed to differentiate between the two quite well. I think we can agree that Owens played to get Owens a championship - it just so happened that he has to do that in a team environment, and Philly ended up being that team.

[QUOTE=irish]How many people in other lines of work would stay at a lower paying job when the company down the street wants to give them a 25% raise? I doubt you would stay for the good of the company. Why do we think ballplayers would be any different.[/QUOTE]

For starters your analogy makes no sense - nobody offered owens additional money after he signed his contract, he simply tried to extract more from the Eagles. Very different situation. But let's go with your analogy anyway:

Had Owens played out his contract he would have been the 2nd or 3rd highest paid WR in the league (behind Marvin Harrison and possibly Randy Moss). What you're suggesting is that if you're one of the top three highest paid individuals in your position throughout the world and you sign a legally binding contract outlining this compensation over 6 or 7 years, that the second year into the deal you can just change your mind and decide you want more money. When you don't get what you want, you stop showing up to meetings, don't bring the appropriate items to meetings, sleep through said meetings, publically criticize your coworkers, supervisors and company, park in the CEO's parking spot and generally make yourself a shameful nuisance to the entire organization...that your company should just drop its pants, bend over and give you what you want?

Where I work that behavior gets you fired each and every time. I don't know what world you live in where such behavior is not only tolerated but rewarded, but I'm sure as hell glad I don't work for your company.

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

There is only one way for any team to deal with Owens and thats 1 year contracts, just give him a 1 year deal every year and you will eliminate a lot of the nonesense, no one will be over committed to the other, if things don't go well he's gone at the end of the year, no money issuies or long term contracts to deal with.

The problem is I don't believe Owens would want to play for a QB like Brunell, remember what he said about Garcia he wanted out because he said Garcia was incapable of getting him the ball deep, thats why he wanted a strong armed QB like McNabb, it is also the reason he turned down the Ravens, he felt Boller was a lowsey QB, turns out he was right about all of them, something tells me if we ever tried to sign him so long as brunell and his 30 yard arm is throwing the ball for us he would say thanks but no thanks.

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

NOOOOO! He destroyed the SF clubhouse and did it in Philly too. Let him sign with someone else next year and wreck that team. Skins are trying to rebuild this organization into a winner. Don't take a chance on this clown tearing it up!!!!

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

[QUOTE=huntz]NOOOOO! He destroyed the SF clubhouse and did it in Philly too. Let him sign with someone else next year and wreck that team. Skins are trying to rebuild this organization into a winner. Don't take a chance on this clown tearing it up!!!![/QUOTE]

Don't forget about Baltimore. They hate him there too and he wasn't even on the team for a single game.

Re: Portis Endorses T.O. Coming To Washington, Would You?
 

[QUOTE=mheisig]Yes, you've managed to differentiate between the two quite well. I think we can agree that Owens played to get Owens a championship - it just so happened that he has to do that in a team environment, and Philly ended up being that team.



For starters your analogy makes no sense - nobody offered owens additional money after he signed his contract, he simply tried to extract more from the Eagles. Very different situation. But let's go with your analogy anyway:

Had Owens played out his contract he would have been the 2nd or 3rd highest paid WR in the league (behind Marvin Harrison and possibly Randy Moss). What you're suggesting is that if you're one of the top three highest paid individuals in your position throughout the world and you sign a legally binding contract outlining this compensation over 6 or 7 years, that the second year into the deal you can just change your mind and decide you want more money. When you don't get what you want, you stop showing up to meetings, don't bring the appropriate items to meetings, sleep through said meetings, publically criticize your coworkers, supervisors and company, park in the CEO's parking spot and generally make yourself a shameful nuisance to the entire organization...that your company should just drop its pants, bend over and give you what you want?

Where I work that behavior gets you fired each and every time. I don't know what world you live in where such behavior is not only tolerated but rewarded, but I'm sure as hell glad I don't work for your company.[/QUOTE]

Please look at my entire paragraph, not just a sentence taken out of context and maybe you will understand the point I was trying to make.

The bottom line in pro sports is winning, all this locker room happiness, and buddy buddy stuff is for high schools and colleges. When a team is winning everyone is happy and no spats come out of the locker room (Indy now). When a team is losing everybody is unhappy and looking for stuff to snipe about (philly this year). When TO is on a winning team he is fine (philly last year, SF a few years ago) so if the skins brought him here and they won TO would be just fine. The thing is if TO did not think the skins were real contenders he would not come here to begin with (like he did with Balt last year) so like you all think, it may not happen but I think it will be because TO says no to the skins, not the other way around.