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[quote=Lotus;923064]Police protection, fire departments, and public schools are a lot more socialist than the Affordable Care Act. Should we do away with these socialist realities?[/quote]

You're comparing apples and oranges.
Who says private fire protection would not work?
And their are plenty of private schools that work.

Lets have the govt run all theme parks too and grocery stores and professional sports and stuff.
Lets make the govt really big.....
:doh:

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[quote=Alvin Walton;923103]You're comparing apples and oranges.
Who says private fire protection would not work?
And their are plenty of private schools that work.

Lets have the govt run all theme parks too and grocery stores and professional sports and stuff.
Lets make the govt really big.....
:doh:[/quote]


....the sky is falling,the sky is falling.:laughing2

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[quote=Alvin Walton;923103]You're comparing apples and oranges.
Who says private fire protection would not work?
And their are plenty of private schools that work.

Lets have the govt run all theme parks too and grocery stores and professional sports and stuff.
Lets make the govt really big.....
:doh:[/quote]

You missed my point.

We already have socialist entities in our midst: Medicare, law enforcement, fire protection, public schools, post office, etc. Most people seem to like these things, too.

In comparison, the Affordable Care Act is really not very socialist. It does not pool tax money to provide a public service like these other entities do. There is an expansion of Medicare, sure, but it's not like the ACA invented Medicare.

So arguing against the ACA because it is "socialist" actually is a non-argument, regardless of the popularity of this argument. The ACA is actually less socialist than many things that are already in our midst and that most people accept.

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You're right, its not socialist.
Since Obama rammed it down everyones throat its totalitarian.
Not sure which is worse.

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[url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/people-moving-to-canada-because-of-obamacare]People Who Say They're Moving To Canada Because Of ObamaCare[/url]


Point and laugh.



I think Matty's favorite icon works best here. :Smoker:

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[quote=Alvin Walton;923106]You're right, its not socialist.
[B]Since Obama rammed it down everyones throat its totalitarian.[/B]
Not sure which is worse.[/quote]

The ACA became law through legislative vote and approval by the Supreme Court. These are democratic processes. The ACA was adopted by democratic process, end of story.

We know it was a democratic process because the individual mandate was not part of Obama's original plan.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923100]Roberts may have just put the nails in Obama's coffin. Those who oppose Obamacare and the individual mandate, along with those who oppose the HHS manadate on religious institutions, have no choice but to vote against Obama and the Dems so the law is ultimately repealed or ammended.[/quote]


Wait, so these people are now going to go out and vote for the guy who originated this health care system? :laughing2


Wouldn't surprise me people are that idiotic. DAMN YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR OBAMACARE! JUST FOR THAT, I'M GOING TO ELECT THE GUY WHO CREATED THE VERY SYSTEM YOU IMPLEMENTED!! THAT'LL SHOW YOU!!

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[quote=NC_Skins;923110]Wait, so these people are now going to go out and vote for the guy who originated this health care system? :laughing2


Wouldn't surprise me people are that idiotic. DAMN YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR OBAMACARE! JUST FOR THAT, I'M GOING TO ELECT THE GUY WHO CREATED THE VERY SYSTEM YOU IMPLEMENTED!! THAT'LL SHOW YOU!![/quote]

Yeah, I saw Romney speaking against the ACA today and laughed out loud. It's HIS freaking system!

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[quote=NC_Skins;923110]Wait, so these people are now going to go out and vote for the guy who originated this health care system? :laughing2


Wouldn't surprise me people are that idiotic. DAMN YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR OBAMACARE! JUST FOR THAT, I'M GOING TO ELECT THE GUY WHO CREATED THE VERY SYSTEM YOU IMPLEMENTED!! THAT'LL SHOW YOU!![/quote]

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[quote=Lotus;923109]The ACA became law through legislative vote and approval by the Supreme Court. These are democratic processes. The ACA was adopted by democratic process, end of story.

We know it was a democratic process because the individual mandate was not part of Obama's original plan.[/quote]

Dude, when people start out saying shit like "rammed down our throats", not even worth responding to.

Healthcare is the law of the land as legislated by the duly elected members of Congress. Period.

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Half the GOP is screaming the other half are trying to find the coolaid ,facts are this will help people....don't like it come up with something better.People will now go to the doctors to prvent from getting sick ...not waiting till it's to late,people with spouse's can now stay at home to care for a wife ...or get another job not worring weather their husband or wife will be coverd,....oh yeah and the cost will come down for insurance.......,but Obama...is the devil,if you don't like ....tuff.:cool-smil

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[quote=NC_Skins;923110]Wait, so these people are now going to go out and vote for the guy who originated this health care system? :laughing2


Wouldn't surprise me people are that idiotic. DAMN YOU OBAMA FOR YOUR OBAMACARE! JUST FOR THAT, I'M GOING TO ELECT THE GUY WHO CREATED THE VERY SYSTEM YOU IMPLEMENTED!! THAT'LL SHOW YOU!![/quote]AS USUAL, YOU OVERSIMPLY CRAP AND ASSUME ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU IS "IDIOTIC".

Obamacare and Romneycare have very key differences, for those who like facts rather than all caps and condescending BS, here's some good info:

[URL="http://mittromneyandhealthcare.blogspot.com/p/romneycare-vs-obamacare.html"]Mitt Romney and Healthcare: Romneycare Vs. Obamacare[/URL]

[URL="http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/15/obamacare-vs-romneycare-a-cruc/1"]The American Spectator : Obamacare vs. Romneycare -- A Crucial Difference[/URL]

[URL="http://mittromneycentral.com/resources/romneycare/"]RomneyCare - The Truth about Massachusetts Health Care | Mitt Romney Central[/URL]
Pay particular attention to point #6, Romney's vetoes that were over-ridden by a Dem state legislature.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;923118]AS USUAL, YOU OVERSIMPLY CRAP AND ASSUME ANYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU IS "IDIOTIC".

Obamacare and Romneycare have very key differences, for those who like facts rather than all caps and condescending BS, here's some good info:

[URL="http://mittromneyandhealthcare.blogspot.com/p/romneycare-vs-obamacare.html"]Mitt Romney and Healthcare: Romneycare Vs. Obamacare[/URL]

[URL="http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/15/obamacare-vs-romneycare-a-cruc/1"]The American Spectator : Obamacare vs. Romneycare -- A Crucial Difference[/URL]

[URL="http://mittromneycentral.com/resources/romneycare/"]RomneyCare - The Truth about Massachusetts Health Care | Mitt Romney Central[/URL]
Pay particular attention to point #6, Romney's vetoes that were over-ridden by a Dem state legislature.[/quote]

Sammy you say facts yet you posted a link to Romney web page.....oh I'm sure that is full of facts.:doh:

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I don't expect Romney to make this the center piece of his campaign and I certainly don't expect it to energize the base like some here think it will. Fact is millions upon millions have been helped by this law. That's not even in dispute. Now that it's been deemed constitutional by the highest court in the land, that too is off the table.

So exactly what is the argument that's going to fire up the base? A bunch of fancy charts, graphs, and Ops written by some egg heads at Heritage Foundation? Yeah, good luck with that.

It's the law of the land. Could use some improvements, but this thing is set in stone. Get over it.

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[quote=Giantone;923120]Sammy you say facts yet you posted a link to Romney web page.....oh I'm sure that is full of facts.:doh:[/quote]Rather than dismiss the links, how about you read them and research the info to see if it's correct.....:doh: