Re: Michael Vick Wants to Get a Dog (Seriously)
 

Controversy continues to hound Vick.

Re: Michael Vick Wants to Get a Dog (Seriously)
 

[quote=Zerohero;769347]You guys are hilarious, these threads always bring out the worst analogy's. He never killed his pets, he was involved in local culture that was acceptable to most in area but also against law. I honestly don't think he regrets his decisions just that he got caught, but to play in the NFL he has to act the part now.

Having a family pet has nothing to do with dog fighting, however if he opened up a kennel that would be different. The "i hope the dog turns against him and drowns him" is real classy.[/quote]

You got to give him some props for scratching and clawing his way back to the top.

Re: Michael Vick Wants to Get a Dog (Seriously)
 

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/16/vick-can-own-a-dog-after-his-supervised-release-ends/]Vick can own a dog, after his “supervised release” ends | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=skinsnut;769305]I don't think he should be a caregiver of any type....that includes people too.
This guy has a very violent background...the fact that they even let him play again is remarkable to me. The worst case scenario in coming back to the NFL was not that he would fail....it's that he would perform well and become a hero figure to the kids.
The NFL has too much of that already....think of a famous Raven and an ex buffalo bill RB off the top of my head.

Is the NFL so desperate for ratings that they needed to allow this guy on the field again?
What about all the wife beaters, etc?
What is the NFL saying....that it is ok to be violent, as long as you pay your dues you can come back?.....what kind of image is that.
Like it or not...NFL players become superstars and become role models to our kids who idolize them....if they learn their background, it normalizes the behavior.

I know most of you may not agree with me....(I'd love Vick's talent too)...but after much thought...I think the NFL should be much stricter with violent offenders than any other sport due to the violent nature of the game.
No ex convicts should ever be able to play the game again.....period.[/quote]
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I agree with you Skinsnut. Yeah he did his time, but what is this message we are sending to kids? As a teacher I hear kids talk about Vick and they see nothing wrong with what he did. There was a great article in the Post a couple of weeks ago about Vick and how the media and NFL have pretty much glossed over this. It also brought up an interesting point that if it Vick been a lineman or less high profile position that Vick probably would have been banned for good.

Re: Michael Vick Wants to Get a Dog (Seriously)
 

The article was more of an editorial and it was by Nils Lofgren.

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Anyone who thinks Vick will fight dogs again is barking up the wrong tree.

Back atcha Lotus!

Re: Michael Vick Wants to Get a Dog (Seriously)
 

I know what Vick did was henious i know. But what is wrong with our society that we want to ban a man from his profession FOR LIFE because of his dogfighting, but yet other NFL players who have committed murder against human beings, whether unintentional or intentional, people just gloss over and continue to embrace.

Has animal rights people really gave animals more rights/liberties than human beings? I think Vick already battles a negative stereotype, and I think people are just desperate to hate him for something, even though the man is more than remorseful of what he did. Like nobody else on here has done some things that we wish we could take back.

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[quote=skinsnut;769305]I don't think he should be a caregiver of any type....that includes people too.
This guy has a very violent background...the fact that they even let him play again is remarkable to me. The worst case scenario in coming back to the NFL was not that he would fail....it's that he would perform well and become a hero figure to the kids.
The NFL has too much of that already....think of a famous Raven and an ex buffalo bill RB off the top of my head.

Is the NFL so desperate for ratings that they needed to allow this guy on the field again?
What about all the wife beaters, etc?
What is the NFL saying....that it is ok to be violent, as long as you pay your dues you can come back?.....what kind of image is that.
Like it or not...NFL players become superstars and become role models to our kids who idolize them....if they learn their background, it normalizes the behavior.

I know most of you may not agree with me....(I'd love Vick's talent too)...but after much thought...I think the NFL should be much stricter with violent offenders than any other sport due to the violent nature of the game.
No ex convicts should ever be able to play the game again.....period.[/quote]

I dont think it is so much the stance of the NFL as much as it is the belief in the United States of America, and maybe the justice system. The fact is this country is one where you can get a second chance. That's the beauty of america. I'm patriotic. What I'm saying is that you can break the law, be punished, and if you have been truly rehabilitated, then you will leave prison and embrace your second chance at freedom and living a lawful life. Many people squander their second chance, but I love the USA because we are given a second chance.

In some countries, there is no second chance. And it is obvious that Vick has been truly rehabilitated, he is sorry for what he's done, paid his punishment, and now wants to live his life and continue doing what he loves (NFL Football).

Re: Michael Vick Wants to Get a Dog (Seriously)
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;769457]I dont think it is so much the stance of the NFL as much as it is the belief in the United States of America, and maybe the justice system. The fact is this country is one where you can get a second chance. That's the beauty of america. I'm patriotic. What I'm saying is that you can break the law, be punished, and if you have been truly rehabilitated, then you will leave prison and embrace your second chance at freedom and living a lawful life. Many people squander their second chance, but I love the USA because we are given a second chance.[/quote]

I don't think it's really that uncommon in the rest of the world for people to go to prison for a certain period of time and then be released. In other words, I'm no so sure that's an American thing. Some might point out that it's the opposite since we incarcerate a higher percentage of our citizens than any country on earth, but that's not really pertinent in a discussion about second chances.

Regardless, in terms of rehabilitation, I think the problem most people have with it is that it's BS. It's not so much that people think Vick will do it again; but not doing it again doesn't constitute "rehabilitation." The fact is that most people on this planet would be literally incapable of enacting the cruelty upon animals that Vick enacted. The man exists on a different moral plane than the rest of us. Such morality can't be dictated through imprisoment. The idea of rehabilitation, in other words, is kind of a farce.

That being said, he has served his punishment and should be legally entitled to the same things as everyone else.

Re: Michael Vick Wants to Get a Dog (Seriously)
 

yes, a pedophile by definition cannnot help themselves. but i wasnt saying vick = a pedophile. all i was saying is the focus should be on the person and their acts, not the victims. i was posting to point out that i dont think the focus should be on what value a dog has in our society.

whatever thoo, to each his own. im not going to be dismissive of what certain other posters think.

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I'm sure he's rehabed.....and had absolutely no knowledge or involvement in the shooting that happened at his (30th I think) B-Day party here in VB just a few months ago.

F Vick. I can't see how anyone can have an ounce of compassion for this cold-blooded, heartless PoS. The only remorse he has about his direct involvement (hands-on) in the torture and killing of dogs is that he got caught.

Yes, he served his time. Yes there are those in the NFL that have done worse. And every time he takes the field I hope he fails miserably or gets injured. And I'm no fan of Ray Lewis, Caruth, etc.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;769455]I know what Vick did was henious i know. But what is wrong with our society that we want to ban a man from his profession FOR LIFE because of his dogfighting, but yet other NFL players who have committed murder against human beings, whether unintentional or intentional, people just gloss over and continue to embrace.
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3 points...

1. I agree that others with crimes against humans were not harsh enough.
(My position is that ex cons should not play in the NFL)

2. The issue of banning someone for LIFE from his profession because he is a violent felon is fairly universal. I am a Recruiter....believe me...if you have gone to jail for comitting a violent crime...your career is basically done....regardless of what it is....but especially in any position of visibility that represents the company/organization.....let me ask you this question....if Vick was interviewing for an office manager job...would you hire him....or someone that hasn't been to prison?
Let's be realistic.

3. Regarding forgiveness....I believe that forgiving someone for the wrongs that they are truly remorseful for is the right thing to do...however...it does not mean that the repercussions of the action vanish...Vick will and should pay the price for his actions long after he has been forgiven. Forgiving does not mean putting a foolish man with a violent past in a position to be a hero to our youth. Who is the fool now?

Let me ask a question....how many Haynesworth jerseys are being sold?
how many Vick?....who has done the worse wrong?
Being a jerk...vs violently murdering dogs..
Isn't that seriously screwed up?....kids buying Vick jersey's and bragging about how awesome he is?....and their father's feeding them that garbage?
Hopefully, Dad's in Philly are having a good sit down with their kids about Vick when their kids want a Vick jersey and explain why they shouldn't wear one.

I personally wish the guy well and hope he has learned..but I think the NFL "sold out" and are hypocrites for saying they won't tolerate violence or drugs...then let it continue and provide the benefit of fame and fortune to the worst violators. The NFL is dropping the ball in the name of money....really sad.

I wonder what the NCAA would do to a guy like Vick?

Re: Michael Vick Wants to Get a Dog (Seriously)
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;769457]I dont think it is so much the stance of the NFL as much as it is the belief in the United States of America, and maybe the justice system. The fact is this country is one where you can get a second chance. That's the beauty of america. I'm patriotic. What I'm saying is that you can break the law, be punished, and if you have been truly rehabilitated, then you will leave prison and embrace your second chance at freedom and living a lawful life. Many people squander their second chance, but I love the USA because we are given a second chance.

In some countries, there is no second chance. A[B]nd it is obvious that Vick has been truly rehabilitated, he is sorry for what he's done, paid his punishment, and now wants to live his life and continue doing what he loves (NFL Football).[/B][/quote]

I disagree with this statement. Vick is not rehabilitated. Prison is continually filled with repeat offenders who were once "rehabilitated" Why are they back? People don't want to hire ex cons. Ex cons are also barred from holding certain jobs period. Why was Vick able to make more of his second chance? He has genetically superior talents that other ex cons lack. He is intelligent enough to realize he has been given a second chance and will try not to screw it up. But rehabilitated? no way. You wouldn't allow a hand gun offender to go and purchase a gun, or a person who has been convicted of child abuse wouldn't be allowed to adopt a child. Very similar situation.

Re: Michael Vick Wants to Get a Dog (Seriously)
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;769604]I disagree with this statement. Vick is not rehabilitated. Prison is continually filled with repeat offenders who were once "rehabilitated" Why are they back? People don't want to hire ex cons. Ex cons are also barred from holding certain jobs period. Why was Vick able to make more of his second chance? He has genetically superior talents that other ex cons lack. He is intelligent enough to realize he has been given a second chance and will try not to screw it up. But rehabilitated? no way. You wouldn't allow a hand gun offender to go and purchase a gun, or a person who has been convicted of child abuse wouldn't be allowed to adopt a child. Very similar situation.[/quote]
So it's assured he's gonna start up another one of those dogfighting rings and once he pays off his creditors, there's going to be Bad Newz Kennelz 2.0. Gotcha. Because that's what he has to "rehab" out of his system.

Re: Michael Vick Wants to Get a Dog (Seriously)
 

[quote=skinsnut;769558]3 points...

1. I agree that others with crimes against humans were not harsh enough.
(My position is that ex cons should not play in the NFL)

2. The issue of banning someone for LIFE from his profession because he is a violent felon is fairly universal. I am a Recruiter....believe me...if you have gone to jail for comitting a violent crime...your career is basically done....regardless of what it is....but especially in any position of visibility that represents the company/organization.....let me ask you this question....if Vick was interviewing for an office manager job...would you hire him....or someone that hasn't been to prison?
Let's be realistic.

3. Regarding forgiveness....I believe that forgiving someone for the wrongs that they are truly remorseful for is the right thing to do...however...it does not mean that the repercussions of the action vanish...Vick will and should pay the price for his actions long after he has been forgiven. Forgiving does not mean putting a foolish man with a violent past in a position to be a hero to our youth. Who is the fool now?

Let me ask a question....how many Haynesworth jerseys are being sold?
how many Vick?....who has done the worse wrong?
Being a jerk...vs violently murdering dogs..
Isn't that seriously screwed up?....kids buying Vick jersey's and bragging about how awesome he is?....and their father's feeding them that garbage?
Hopefully, Dad's in Philly are having a good sit down with their kids about Vick when their kids want a Vick jersey and explain why they shouldn't wear one.

I personally wish the guy well and hope he has learned..but I think the NFL "sold out" and are hypocrites for saying they won't tolerate violence or drugs...then let it continue and provide the benefit of fame and fortune to the worst violators. The NFL is dropping the ball in the name of money....really sad.

[B]I wonder what the NCAA would do to a guy like Vick[/B]?[/quote]

we already found out, you forget about marcus? great post btw. i'm in the same boat as you the biggest culprit is the nfl. they claim to be hardass but contradict themselves almost every day