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Re: Preliminary Nominees for the HOF 2011
[quote=Leader In Sports;733206]:spank::spank::spank:
Saying that to a Steeler fan is like saying Darrell Green doesn't belong in there to a Redskin fan. :soapbox: Bettis was a dominate running back for many years. He was a star with a star team that ran to the playoffs many times on his back. He also got great press which helps just like it did with Rice over Monk.[/quote] More like saying that Monk doesn't belong. Green was an obvious first ballot hall of famer. The Bus on the other hand isn't as cut and dry, but still likely. Still the guy put up eight 1,000 yard seasons. 4 of which went for over 1,300 yards. He also has over 13,000 career rushing yards. His average is a little on the low side at 3.9 but by the same token we have guys like Marcus Allen in the Hall of Fame with three 1,000 yard seasons. |
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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;733469]Bus has a solid argument for the HoF, I think it's almost impossible he's a first ballot. Look at the other RBs in this potential class: Marshall Faulk (1st Ballot lock IMO), Terrell Davis, Roger Craig, Eddie George, Gerald Riggs, Ottis Anderson, Herschel Walker.
Bus Pluses: 6 Pro Bowls, 2 All Pro, 5th in total Rushing Yards, 10th in Rushing TDs, 15K yds fm scrimmage, what you mention above, plus he's in the media and a good guy. Bus Minuses: Yds per Att 3.9, SB stats 14 for 43 Yds 0 TD, fumble that almost cost the Steelers the 2005 SB berth, pedestrian last 4 years. Terrell Davis: Avg 14TDs per year for his healthy years. 2 SB wins with good numbers, Yds per Att 4.6, 3 Pro Bowls, 3 All Pro. Terrell Davis Minuses: Injury cut short his career. Roger Craig Pluses: 4 Pro Bowls, 1 All-Pro, 3 SB wins with excellent numbers, Yds per Att 4.1, 13K yds fm scrimmage, one of first true run/receiving threats at RB. Roger Craig Minuses: pedestrian last 4 years. I put Craig in before Bus, TD was more dominant but his career was too short, there's a debate there. Bus goes in before the other RBs, but they're in the debate and that can hurt. With 7 HoFers each year and assume Faulk, Deion Sanders (as much as I can't stand him), and possibly Willie Roaf are 1st ballot locks, [B]Hanburger or another Senior goes in and that leaves three spots.[/B] Does Bus get in before: Roger Craig, JKC, Don Coryell, Richard Dent, Charles Haley, Lester Hayes, Shannon Sharpe, Tags? He'll likely get in, just not right away.[/quote] I wanted to correct one thing on the seniors. There are 2 every year and it is a thumbs up or down vote on each one, without competition for a spot from the current guys. This is from the other link that announced Hanburger and Richter as the Senior Nominees: [quote]Hanburger and Richter will join 15 still-to-be-named modern-era candidates on the list of finalists from which the Class of 2011 will be selected. The Hall of Fame selection meeting will be held on February 5, 2011, the day before Super Bowl XLV in North Texas. To be elected, the former linebackers must each receive the same 80 percent voting support that is required of all finalists. The Hall's Selection Committee can elect a maximum of two senior candidates and five modern-era candidates for a class no smaller than four or larger than seven during next February's meeting. [/quote] In 2010, both Senior Nominee's went into the HOF. In 2009 I think it was just Bob Hayes. |
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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;733469]Bus has a solid argument for the HoF, I think it's almost impossible he's a first ballot. Look at the other RBs in this potential class: Marshall Faulk (1st Ballot lock IMO), Terrell Davis, Roger Craig, Eddie George, Gerald Riggs, Ottis Anderson, Herschel Walker.
Bus Pluses: 6 Pro Bowls, 2 All Pro, 5th in total Rushing Yards, 10th in Rushing TDs, 15K yds fm scrimmage, what you mention above, plus he's in the media and a good guy. Bus Minuses: Yds per Att 3.9, SB stats 14 for 43 Yds 0 TD, fumble that almost cost the Steelers the 2005 SB berth, pedestrian last 4 years. Terrell Davis: Avg 14TDs per year for his healthy years. 2 SB wins with good numbers, Yds per Att 4.6, 3 Pro Bowls, 3 All Pro. Terrell Davis Minuses: Injury cut short his career. Roger Craig Pluses: 4 Pro Bowls, 1 All-Pro, 3 SB wins with excellent numbers, Yds per Att 4.1, 13K yds fm scrimmage, one of first true run/receiving threats at RB. Roger Craig Minuses: pedestrian last 4 years. I put Craig in before Bus, TD was more dominant but his career was too short, there's a debate there. Bus goes in before the other RBs, but they're in the debate and that can hurt. With 7 HoFers each year and assume Faulk, Deion Sanders (as much as I can't stand him), and possibly Willie Roaf are 1st ballot locks, Hanburger or another Senior goes in and that leaves three spots. Does Bus get in before: Roger Craig, JKC, Don Coryell, Richard Dent, Charles Haley, Lester Hayes, Shannon Sharpe, Tags? He'll likely get in, just not right away.[/quote] This should help Craig's [url=http://tv.yahoo.com/blog/whos-that-guy-who-beat-ken-jennings-oneday-jeopardy-record--1543]chances[/url] |
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[quote=SmootSmack;733986]This should help Craig's [url=http://tv.yahoo.com/blog/whos-that-guy-who-beat-ken-jennings-oneday-jeopardy-record--1543]chances[/url][/quote]
I always thought Roger Craig was an intelligent individual. |
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It looks like the HOF has posted Chris's bio. Hopefully the vote will go his way in a few weeks:
[url=http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=294]Hall of Famers » CHRIS HANBURGER[/url] |
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[quote=irish;733092]No one on that list deserves it more than JKC.[/quote]
And Bobby Beathard who's not even on the list and was the architect of 7 SB's (winning 4 out of those)for 4 different teams. KC, Miami, Washington, SD. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Beathard]Bobby Beathard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url] |
Re: Preliminary Nominees for the HOF 2011
So we're down to 15 Finalists.....who gets in?
[B]Class of 2011 finalists[/B] The Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committees 17 finalists (15 modern-era and two senior nominees*) with their positions, teams, and years active follow: [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=296"][COLOR=#0000ff]Jerome Bettis[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Running Back 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?playerId=285"][COLOR=#0000ff]Tim Brown[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Wide Receiver/Kick Returner 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?playerId=271"][COLOR=#0000ff]Cris Carter[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Wide Receiver 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?playerId=275"][COLOR=#0000ff]Dermontti Dawson[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Center 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?playerId=240"][COLOR=#0000ff]Richard Dent[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Defensive End 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=297"][COLOR=#0000ff]Chris Doleman[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Defensive End/Linebacker 1985-1993, 1999 Minnesota Vikings, 1994-95 Atlanta Falcons, 1996-98 San Francisco 49ers [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=298"][COLOR=#0000ff]Marshall Faulk[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Running Back 1994-98 Indianapolis Colts, 1999-2005 St. Louis Rams [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?playerId=288"][COLOR=#0000ff]Charles Haley[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Defensive End/Linebacker 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys [B]*[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=294"][COLOR=#0000ff]Chris Hanburger[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Linebacker 1965-1978 Washington Redskins [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?playerId=277"][COLOR=#0000ff]Cortez Kennedy[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Defensive Tackle 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=299"][COLOR=#0000ff]Curtis Martin[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Running Back 1995-97 New England Patriots, 1998-2005 New York Jets [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?playerId=265"][COLOR=#0000ff]Andre Reed[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Wide Receiver 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins [B]*[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=295"][COLOR=#0000ff]Les Richter[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Linebacker 1954-1962 Los Angeles Rams [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=300"][COLOR=#0000ff]Willie Roaf[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Tackle 1993-2001 New Orleans Saints, 2002-05 Kansas City Chiefs [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=303"][COLOR=#0000ff]Ed Sabol[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Founder/President/Chairman 1964-1995 NFL Films [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=302"][COLOR=#0000ff]Deion Sanders[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Cornerback/Kick Returner/Punt Returner 1989-1993 Atlanta Falcons, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-99 Dallas Cowboys, 2000 Washington Redskins, 2004-05 Baltimore Ravens [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?playerId=279"][COLOR=#0000ff]Shannon Sharpe[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Tight End 1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens My picks are Faulk, Roaf, D. Sanders, Ed Sabol, Tim Brown and Hanburger |
Re: Preliminary Nominees for the HOF 2011
My five:
Faulk Sharpe Sabol Sanders Carter |
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My 5: Hanburger, Faulk, Carter, Brown, Sharpe
Its tough to leave off Roaf and Bettis |
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Dent, Faulk, Reed, Sanders, Hanburger IMHO
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Jack Kent Cook should be there. And Jacoby and Clark
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Re: Preliminary Nominees for the HOF 2011
[B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?playerId=271"][COLOR=#0000ff]Cris Carter[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Wide Receiver 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins
[B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?playerId=275"][COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR][/URL][/B][B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?playerId=240"][COLOR=#0000ff]Richard Dent[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Defensive End 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=298"][COLOR=#0000ff]Marshall Faulk[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Running Back 1994-98 Indianapolis Colts, 1999-2005 St. Louis Rams [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=294"][COLOR=#0000ff]Chris Hanburger[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Linebacker 1965-1978 Washington Redskins [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?playerId=279"][COLOR=#0000ff]Shannon Sharpe[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Tight End 1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens These are my five player picks, plus Sabol because I couldn't narrow it down to 5 total. [B][URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=303"][COLOR=#0000ff]Ed Sabol[/COLOR][/URL][/B] Founder/President/Chairman 1964-1995 NFL Films |
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As LiS mentioned a few months back, the class is limited to 5 modern day players and an up/down vote on each of the two Seniors.
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Carter, Sharpe, Faulk, Dent, Sanders, Sabol
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Bettis
Sanders Faulk Reed Hanburger Richter |
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