Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

[quote=SmootSmack;593747]And then there's this.

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/what-i-think-the-zorn-installm.html"]Redskins Insider - What I Think: The Zorn Installment[/URL]

[/quote]This is the biggest problem I have in the article, "Several people have told me Snyder was prepared to fire Zorn if the Redskins had lost to the Philadelphia Eagles in Week 16 at FedEx last season. They won."

If this is true, then LDS shoulders a significant portion of blame here. This is absurd! If I'm Zorn, I'm saying F it. I'm opening up the offense and letting the players either sink-or-swim. If I'm potentially getting axed, I'm going down swinging, while also auditioning for an OC job somewhere else.

I hope this is BS, because if not, Snyder learned nothing from Gibbs and my many defenses of Snyder & the FO have been in vain.

Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;593770]This is the biggest problem I have in the article, "Several people have told me Snyder was prepared to fire Zorn if the Redskins had lost to the Philadelphia Eagles in Week 16 at FedEx last season. They won."

If this is true, then LDS shoulders a significant portion of blame here. This is absurd! If I'm Zorn, I'm saying F it. I'm opening up the offense and letting the players either sink-or-swim. If I'm potentially getting axed, I'm going down swinging, while also auditioning for an OC job somewhere else.

I hope this is BS, because if not, Snyder learned nothing from Gibbs and my many defenses of Snyder & the FO have been in vain.[/quote]

What's the issue here? That Snyder would have fired Zorn at the end of the year had they lost to the Eagles?

Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

[quote=SmootSmack;593747]



And then there's this.

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/what-i-think-the-zorn-installm.html"]Redskins Insider - What I Think: The Zorn Installment[/URL]


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The bit about Danny Smith having to physically stop Z from calling a timeout is just laughable, and Z's excuse is even worse. His view of the 25 second clock was obscured by a pile of players?? Please.

I agree with SS33. Let it all hang out. Just say "eff it" Zorn. Let 'er rip so to speak. Our defense is damn good, and they've proven it time and again. You've got to average more than 16 points a game to keep your job, and the current playcalling isn't going to get us there offensively.

Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

It didnt happen so why are we dwelling on it? Now if we lose to the d@mn Lions ill fly to D.C and pack his bags. NO EXCUSE to let a 0-16+ team beat you. We have a good team, let them show it. As a HC its your job to put your players in a position to play to their strengths so the team can be successful.

Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

[quote=DBUCHANON101;593785]It didnt happen so why are we dwelling on it? Now if we lose to the d@mn Lions ill fly to D.C and pack his bags. NO EXCUSE to let a 0-16+ team beat you. We have a good team, let them show it. As a HC its your job to put your players in a position to play to their strengths so the team can be successful.[/quote]

What if we play poorly again, but barely beat the lions by a fg or so?

Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

[quote=SmootSmack;593781]What's the issue here? That Snyder would have fired Zorn at the end of the year had they lost to the Eagles?[/quote]Yes. I don't think you fire Zorn based on the outcome of one game, that's "rediculous". If you've seen enough and your football people, (hopefully not just Cerrato) are saying this guys not gonna cut it, a W or L in a meaningless game shouldn't make the difference.

That being said, what a horrible message this sends to coaches around the league. DS already bagged Shotty for Spurrier (and we saw how that worked out). Everyone knew he worshipped Gibbs and wouldn't fire him if he was 0-16 in consecutive years. But Gibbs aside, the buzz would be that he's back to the coaching carousel. Less than 12 months prior to the Eagles game Snyder & Cerrato were saying Zorn was going to be a "great coach in this league". Now after a great start and then some OL injuries tank the second half of the season, you're ready to can the guy. This either says the Skins FO has absolutely ZERO football knowledge and should've never hired Zorn or they're just as fickle as a majority of "die hard Skins fans". Either way, it's not a way to run a successful franchise.

For the record, my opinion is Zorn should have at least all of this year before a determination is made on his status in the off-season (or right after the last game if the team completely collapses and he's a primary culprit).

We are going into the third game of the season 1-1, which is exactly where most expected us to be.

Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

[quote=GMScud;593783]The bit about Danny Smith having to physically stop Z from calling a timeout is just laughable, and Z's excuse is even worse. His view of the 25 second clock was obscured by a pile of players?? Please.

I agree with SS33. Let it all hang out. Just say "eff it" Zorn. Let 'er rip so to speak. Our defense is damn good, and they've proven it time and again. You've got to average more than 16 points a game to keep your job, and the current playcalling isn't going to get us there offensively.[/quote]Here's something else that just popped into my head. Who's up in the box on the headset with Zorn? Why is the Special Teams coach needing to tell Zorn to not call the TO. One of the guys up top should've been in his ear way before Smith had to restrain him. Still his mistake, but help from the eye-in-the-sky never hurt.

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Funny. We won the game yet the discussion on every thread is about Zorn's getting fired.

Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

[quote=jsarno;593800]What if we play poorly again, but barely beat the lions by a fg or so?[/quote]

what if we put up 45 pts.

Jsarno come on stop with the what ifs. please

Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;593809]Yes. I don't think you fire Zorn based on the outcome of one game, that's "rediculous". If you've seen enough and your football people, (hopefully not just Cerrato) are saying this guys not gonna cut it, a W or L in a meaningless game shouldn't make the difference.

That being said, what a horrible message this sends to coaches around the league. DS already bagged Shotty for Spurrier (and we saw how that worked out). Everyone knew he worshipped Gibbs and wouldn't fire him if he was 0-16 in consecutive years. But Gibbs aside, the buzz would be that he's back to the coaching carousel. Less than 12 months prior to the Eagles game Snyder & Cerrato were saying Zorn was going to be a "great coach in this league". Now after a great start and then some OL injuries tank the second half of the season, you're ready to can the guy. This either says the Skins FO has absolutely ZERO football knowledge and should've never hired Zorn or they're just as fickle as a majority of "die hard Skins fans". Either way, it's not a way to run a successful franchise.

For the record, my opinion is Zorn should have at least all of this year before a determination is made on his status in the off-season (or right after the last game if the team completely collapses and he's a primary culprit).

We are going into the third game of the season 1-1, which is exactly where most expected us to be.[/quote]

Great post Sammy! Can anyone imagine Pittsburgh acting this way? Why can't we be like Pitt and some of the other successful franchises? Here's your answer. I agree, Zorn should be given the whole year and to not do so would just show that DS is just as much a knee-jerk owner as he was when he first bought this team. I can't believe we even talk about this after the 2nd game of the season and a 1-1 record. Would he be fired because we lost to the Giants or because the victory over the Rams wasn't pretty enough? There is a saying, don't quit before the miracle happens, it seems like we always do. I hope we have a big win in Detroit and can put it to rest for awhile at least.

Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

[quote=Lotus;593852]Funny. We won the game yet the discussion on every thread is about Zorn's getting fired.[/quote]

Why is that funny? He was brought here to fix an Offense that was bad and now it's worse. He's had 18 games and his performance is trending down... getting worse each game. Plus, there were reports that Snyder would have fired Zorn if he could have traded for Cutler. On top of that, we're dealing with an owner who fired a coach mid-way through the season with a winning record. We may have won, but style points matter at this point. If it's feasible that he would have been fired for losing to the Rams, it's not a stretch to think he should be fired for only beating them by a score of 9-7.

Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;593856]what if we put up 45 pts.

Jsarno come on stop with the what ifs. please[/quote]

Please pay attention to the context it was given in...buchanon said [quote]Now if we lose to the d@mn Lions ill fly to D.C and pack his bags.[/quote]
So I am wanting to know what he will do if we barely win by a FG. I think that's a fair question.

ps- if we put up 45, I'll be very happy...even if it is the LIONS!

Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;593809]Yes. I don't think you fire Zorn based on the outcome of one game, that's "rediculous". If you've seen enough and your football people, (hopefully not just Cerrato) are saying this guys not gonna cut it, a W or L in a meaningless game shouldn't make the difference.

That being said, what a horrible message this sends to coaches around the league. DS already bagged Shotty for Spurrier (and we saw how that worked out). Everyone knew he worshipped Gibbs and wouldn't fire him if he was 0-16 in consecutive years. But Gibbs aside, the buzz would be that he's back to the coaching carousel. Less than 12 months prior to the Eagles game Snyder & Cerrato were saying Zorn was going to be a "great coach in this league". Now after a great start and then some OL injuries tank the second half of the season, you're ready to can the guy. This either says the Skins FO has absolutely ZERO football knowledge and should've never hired Zorn or they're just as fickle as a majority of "die hard Skins fans". Either way, it's not a way to run a successful franchise.

For the record, my opinion is Zorn should have at least all of this year before a determination is made on his status in the off-season (or right after the last game if the team completely collapses and he's a primary culprit).

We are going into the third game of the season 1-1, which is exactly where most expected us to be.[/quote]

Got it. Don't think it was necessarily based on one game, that just would have been the turning point. I'll just repost what I posted last year prior to the Eagles game (save myself the time of typing it over)

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/512906-post303.html[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/509904-post25.html[/url] (seeing Cowher happening a bit more now though)

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/509951-post49.html[/url] (I believe this remains an issue)

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/27122-clinton-portis-on-the-jt-show-10.html#post509960[/url]

What does that all mean? He shouldn't have been hired as the head coach in the first place, in my opinion, but he was and I'd like to see him be successful as our head coach. But there were serious locker room problems last year. I've been a bit out of the loop so far this season so I don't know if much has improved. But, as I mentioned in my smack down, as much as I would hate another change if a change is what is needed (hopefully not until the end of the year) then I say we just make it. Why prolong the inevitable?

Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

I think Cowher is coming, there are many reasons why i believe this.
IMO..Zorn was hired out of necessity, other top candidates turned DS down -Spagnuolo- and others wanted time off before they come back. -Cowher,Shanahan and Holmgren-
Zorn was supposed to fix the offense, still waiting. 0-4
Zorn was never an OC so its not like he ever gameplanned vs an opponent.
MAINLY--Zorn doesnt tust his players and it reflects in his playcalling.
I think a tough,in your face HC is EXACTLY what this team needs. How many passes do you think Tana will drop if he has to go to the sideline and deal with Cowher in his face/grill? -whatever your pref- Same with dropped int's,fumbles,missed tackles,bad throws and missed blocks.

Re: The only two Good Decisions Jim Zorn Made vs St. Louis
 

[quote=jsarno;593909]Please pay attention to the context it was given in...buchanon said
So I am wanting to know what he will do if we barely win by a FG. I think that's a fair question.

ps- if we put up 45, I'll be very happy...even if it is the LIONS![/quote]

k, I shoulda walked away a little earlier yesterday. Sorry for taking it outta context.