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[quote=Carnage;585783]Brohm was projected to be a top 5 pick if he came out early. He lost sooo much money.[/quote]

I love when people say things like that. Like how Sam Bradford would have been a top 5 pick but now he is hurt and his stock will drop. It is impossible to know where a player would have been drafted when they never went through the entire pre-draft evaluation process. We should all know from following the draft so closely how dynamic the process is and how worthless preseason draft "projections" are.

On Brohm. He is certainly an intriguing name, but at least as intriguing is how a team would cut a second round pick after only one year and instead keep a sixth round pick with very limited physical skills. You'd have to believe he would be better than Woodson, but you'd also have to put him on the active roster if he is on Green Bay's PS. Others have mentioned Meredith, he is a guy I would not mind having here and dropping Batiste. Rather have him than Brohm, but I did not see either play at all in the preseason.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;586028][B]I love when people say things like that. Like how Sam Bradford would have been a top 5 pick but now he is hurt and his stock will drop. It is impossible to know where a player would have been drafted when they never went through the entire pre-draft evaluation process. We should all know from following the draft so closely how dynamic the process is and how worthless preseason draft "projections" are.[/B]

On Brohm. He is certainly an intriguing name, but at least as intriguing is how a team would cut a second round pick after only one year and instead keep a sixth round pick with very limited physical skills. You'd have to believe he would be better than Woodson, but you'd also have to put him on the active roster if he is on Green Bay's PS. Others have mentioned Meredith, he is a guy I would not mind having here and dropping Batiste. Rather have him than Brohm, but I did not see either play at all in the preseason.[/quote]

I would slightly disagree with you. There is always a bit of more guaranteed money(bonus) for the players selected high. Also if a high pick lays a dud, they usually get a couple years to prove themselves. After which the player is cut.

Between that 2-3 years plus bonus, there is quite a bit of money to be made as a high pick. And not entering the draft, that is money lost. Of course there is a cost-benefit analysis one must do. For example, Tim Tebow is really helping himself staying another year(barring injury). He wasn't projected overly high. I think the projections matter.

Re: Why Haven't We Signed Brian Brohm
 

[quote=SC Skins Fan;586028]I love when people say things like that. Like how Sam Bradford would have been a top 5 pick but now he is hurt and his stock will drop. It is impossible to know where a player would have been drafted when they never went through the entire pre-draft evaluation process. We should all know from following the draft so closely how dynamic the process is and how worthless preseason draft "projections" are.

[B]On Brohm. He is certainly an intriguing name, but at least as intriguing is how a team would cut a second round pick after only one year and instead keep a sixth round pick with very limited physical skills. [/B]You'd have to believe he would be better than Woodson, but you'd also have to put him on the active roster if he is on Green Bay's PS. Others have mentioned Meredith, he is a guy I would not mind having here and dropping Batiste. Rather have him than Brohm, but I did not see either play at all in the preseason.[/quote]

It happens all the time in the NFL. It happened here when Gus beat out Heath and turned out to be the better pro. Brohm looked like a can't miss coming out of Louisville. He played in a pro offfense for several years and put up big numbers and ran the offense very well. But for what ever reason that doesn't trranslate into the pro game. Alex Smith got beat out by Shawn freakin Hill. I still shake my head at that one. lol.

Re: Why Haven't We Signed Brian Brohm
 

[quote=celts32;585782]Actually, he was the name that intrigued me more then any other cut this weekend. He was a top NFL prospect 2 years ago after his JR year with Bobby Petrino. His 1st year in the league was also spent learning the West Coast Offense with Green Bay. I am not saying that he's going to take Jasons job or anything but I think he is worth a spot at the end of the roster. [B]I would much rather be developing a QB with the 53rd spot then keeping a 3rd string Mason who contributes nothing to special teams.[/B][/quote]

Yet another Mason bashing. Ya now I wouldn't have as much problem with people bashing Mason as long as they gave the flip side to the arguement....."I'd rather be developing a QB also with the 53 spot then keeping a 3rd string Cartwright who contributes nothing to the offense." ;)

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shouldn't there be a ? at the end of the thread title???

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[quote=hooskins;586030]I would slightly disagree with you. There is always a bit of more guaranteed money(bonus) for the players selected high. Also if a high pick lays a dud, they usually get a couple years to prove themselves. After which the player is cut.

Between that 2-3 years plus bonus, there is quite a bit of money to be made as a high pick. And not entering the draft, that is money lost. Of course there is a cost-benefit analysis one must do. For example, Tim Tebow is really helping himself staying another year(barring injury). He wasn't projected overly high. I think the projections matter.[/quote]

Yeah, where you are picked matters, but that is not what I was saying. My point is that where "everyone" thinks a player is going to be picked does not matter at all because it is all hype until the actual NFL evaluation process kicks into gear. So for someone to say, "if Brian Brohm entered the draft after his junior year he would have been a top 10 pick" is a completely unverifiable statement and based entirely on media/fan hype.

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[quote=SBXVII;586042]Yet another Mason bashing. Ya now I wouldn't have as much problem with people bashing Mason as long as they gave the flip side to the arguement....."I'd rather be developing a QB also with the 53 spot then keeping a 3rd string Cartwright who contributes nothing to the offense." ;)[/quote]

Actually I would have preferred they cut Betts. I don't dislike Mason...i just don't think he adds anything to the team other then a 3rd string RB. He's not playing special teams, he's not a change of pace RB. He's simply a 3rd stringer that only becomes usefull if Portis or Betts go down. As for Brohm...it's really not a big deal but I do think he is a QB worth taking a look at based on his scouting report from a year ago. QB's take time to develop...just because GB gave up it doesn't mean he has no chance.

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I wish I could say I'm surprised that this thread has nearly 40 responses, but alas, I'm not.

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[quote=celts32;586051]Actually I would have preferred they cut Betts. I don't dislike Mason...i just don't think he adds anything to the team other then a 3rd string RB. He's not playing special teams, he's not a change of pace RB. He's simply a 3rd stringer that only becomes usefull if Portis or Betts go down. As for Brohm...it's really not a big deal but I do think he is a QB worth taking a look at based on his scouting report from a year ago. QB's take time to develop...just because GB gave up it doesn't mean he has no chance.[/quote]

I'll agree Mason is a poor mans version of Betts. I would have prefered they cut Betts also, but on the flip side as much as people want to argue that Mason is "one dimensional" I see Cartwright as being the same thing in reverse. He is not the 3rd string RB for nothing. He never see's the field as a RB for no reason. He just is not good at being a RB and actually has no value to the offense. All he is, is a glorified KR. Perhaps a good takler. I would argue his better role would be as a Safety since he can tackle well. But in the end he does nothing else except KR. He does not even PR. I mean if he's supposed to be good at one thing taking a ball that was kicked and getting atleast 25.6 yrds per carry then stick him on PR duty also. Unless he sucks at that also.

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Also, I can say that while growing up teams did draft QB's and develope them, but now a days as someone else pointed out it's all about instant gratification. I mean look at Detroit and their Rookie QB. The Ravens last yr. Atlanta. The Jets this yr.

I'll even go as far as to say I don't thin we should have had 4 RB's on the roster. But I guess that's no different then last yr when the team had 7 WR's. I'll even say one of the RB's should be cut and maybe your boy brougt in then compete next yr with Woodson, and Colt if they haven't reached a settlement with him. but I honestly don't think it should be Mason who gets cut.

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[quote=SBXVII;586098]I'll agree Mason is a poor mans version of Betts. I would have prefered they cut Betts also, but on the flip side as much as people want to argue that Mason is "one dimensional" I see Cartwright as being the same thing in reverse. He is not the 3rd string RB for nothing. He never see's the field as a RB for no reason. He just is not good at being a RB and actually has no value to the offense. All he is, is a glorified KR. Perhaps a good takler. I would argue his better role would be as a Safety since he can tackle well. But in the end he does nothing else except KR. He does not even PR. I mean if he's supposed to be good at one thing taking a ball that was kicked and getting atleast 25.6 yrds per carry then stick him on PR duty also. Unless he sucks at that also.[/quote]

I do see your point, but it doesnt change anything with Betts on the roster. Betts and Mason are fairly similar, in that they are really #2 RB's, where as Rock can play teams like the other 2 cannot/dont. This gives Rock value that neither Betts/Mason has.......yet. And there is no way he could play safety, although that might be pretty funny. Rock also scares me with how he catches the ball over his head sometimes on kick returns. On a punt return someone would pop the crap out of him, and he wouldnt hold onto the ball. Punt returners are also usually quick/shifty, where as Rock has that straight ahead style. It works on KR, but I dont think he would do well with PR.

So basically your just gonna have to wait, Betts and/or Rock wont be here next year, and Mason will get an even better shot at contributing. The #2 RB is the backup, and the #3 [B]HAS[/B] to play special teams. He either has to pass up Betts(wont happen with these coaches), or learn to play ST's so he can bump Rock from the active roster. Mason knows ST's is his weakness, or really tackling specifically, so this might happen sooner or later.

And I dont feel Rock doesnt see carries at RB because he cannot do it, we can barely get Betts enough carries to contribute, let alone the #3. Hopefully this will change, so CP isnt worn down come the last 3-4 games of the season.

I think you might see Mason pretty soon, Betts doesnt have a good history of staying healthy. I could see Mason possibly taking his job if Betts opens the door.

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Thank God that pre-season is almost over. Hopefully these threads will die.

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[quote=Buster;586126]Thank God that pre-season is almost over. Hopefully these threads will die.[/quote]

what's wrong? you don't want to talk about brain brohm??? what's wrong w/ you?? lol.

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Over-used term: [b]change of pace back[/b]

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[quote=roth74va;586117]I do see your point, but it doesnt change anything with Betts on the roster. Betts and Mason are fairly similar, in that they are really #2 RB's, where as Rock can play teams like the other 2 cannot/dont. This gives Rock value that neither Betts/Mason has.......yet. And there is no way he could play safety, although that might be pretty funny. Rock also scares me with how he catches the ball over his head sometimes on kick returns. On a punt return someone would pop the crap out of him, and he wouldnt hold onto the ball. Punt returners are also usually quick/shifty, where as Rock has that straight ahead style. It works on KR, but I dont think he would do well with PR.

So basically your just gonna have to wait, Betts and/or Rock wont be here next year, and Mason will get an even better shot at contributing. The #2 RB is the backup, and the #3 [B]HAS[/B] to play special teams. He either has to pass up Betts(wont happen with these coaches), or learn to play ST's so he can bump Rock from the active roster. Mason knows ST's is his weakness, or really tackling specifically, so this might happen sooner or later.

And I dont feel Rock doesnt see carries at RB because he cannot do it, we can barely get Betts enough carries to contribute, let alone the #3. Hopefully this will change, so CP isnt worn down come the last 3-4 games of the season.

I think you might see Mason pretty soon, Betts doesnt have a good history of staying healthy. I could see Mason possibly taking his job if Betts opens the door.[/quote]



Betts:
1. Hits the hole hard. No speed. No power.
2. Can catch out of the back field. Knows the offense
3. Average pass protector
4. 29 yrs old.
5. Can't make people miss
6. No break away potential

Mason:
1. Hits the hole hard.
2. More speed than Betts
3. Better vision
4. Younger
5. Can catch out of the backfield also.
6. Can make people miss
7. Break away potential

I would say he has a lot more skills than Betts. I am with a lot of people in saying we shoud ahve cut [B]BETTS[/B] or Rock..Since we kept Mason.