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You don't need a cannon arm if you have a receiver that you can hit early and in stride. We're pretty sure that Campbell won't be here next year and I doubt that we're interested in Freeman, so that's what I can come up with. Wish we'd hold out for next year but oh well.

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to make a splash that will hopefully cover up the big "boo-boo" we got when we failed to land who Danny really wanted, Cutler.

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[quote=Mattyk72;549278]I've accepted it seems inevitable, I'm just saying F it, put us out of our misery already. It's not like we have any control.[/quote]

Well, we said the same thing about Cutler - that it was inevitable. I think we both made comments along the lines of, "get used to him, because it's going to happen."

I honestly think he's going to Seattle at #4, and I don't think we have as much ammo to make a move as teams like the Jets and Bucs.

If I had to make a prediction I'd say we stay at #13, and end up picking one of the big 4 tackles or the best LB or DE available.

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[quote=skinsfan69;549231]I can't think of any reason to give up a draft pick or picks to draft him. Not one. Not for this team. Our Qb situation is solid. We've got a young guy, an older guy and JC going into his 5th year. I watched 5-6 USC games. Sanchez is a good system QB, but not a guy who can carry an offense. He doesn't have Jay Culter skills...that's for sure. He doesn't even have better physical skills than Campbell. He's just more of a vocal leader, impresses people in interviews and is getting a ton of hype from Trent Dilfer. Did Dilfer watch the Oregon State game????[/quote]
everybody is talking about a single game

I know that you only have one full season to work with but damn

all qb's have shitty days

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[quote=SmootSmack;549304]So much of this Sanchez talk is almost identical to five years ago...Why are we giving up draft picks for Campbell when we've already got Ramsey? If Campbell is gone, as a Redskins fan I can only hope he finds the same success in the league as Ramsey has.[/quote]
Good point, I hadn't even thought of that.

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[quote=Paintrain;549306]Not to defend Sanchez, but to call him a system QB is an endorsement to draft him since the system he was in is similar to our system so by your logic he will be effective.

Judging someone solely on their worst game is no more responsible than judging them solely on their best game.[/quote]

Yes I am judging him on that game... and a few others. If what Smoot is saying is true, which is they want a guy who can carry us when we have injuries and so forth, then why in the world are we looking at this guy? I didn't see any USC games where Sanchez faced adversity and had to bring his team from behind. And the few games he did face adversity he played like sub par. I mean if he's so great why didn't he beat out Booty? Booty, Leinart and Sanchez are all the same guy to me. Very good college players but they'll never be great pro's, just good ones. Not one of those guys have Carson Palmer ability so I see no reason to make a trade.

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Campbell is too old. There, I said it.

We talk a lot about defensive prospects being less likely to bust here because the environment is good for young defensive players. Well, we're actively working to create the opposite effect for a skill position on the offense. Kelly and Thomas are way more likely to bust when there is no stability at the QB position, and Sanchez simply isn't going to succeed where Campbell failed.

Here's the thing: whatever is good with Sanchez' developmental curve won't matter because it's not like we're all going to be patient with him all of a sudden. Matt Ryan was successful as a rookie because the Falcons spent years, and years trying to put an offense around Vick, and you got Chris Redman in there, and Redman enjoyed some success, and Ryan just happened to be a lot better than Redman.

But the pieces were already in place: two young receivers, a young-improving OL, and a new-refreshing coaching staff. I realize Kelly and Thomas could help with a guy like Sanchez, but they need all the help they can get right now themselves. Sorry, this move has like a 0% chance of success if we pull it off.

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[quote=GMScud;549318]Well, we said the same thing about Cutler - that it was inevitable. I think we both made comments along the lines of, "get used to him, because it's going to happen."

I honestly think he's going to Seattle at #4, and I don't think we have as much ammo to make a move as teams like the Jets and Bucs.

If I had to make a prediction I'd say we stay at #13, and end up picking one of the big 4 tackles or the best LB or DE available.[/quote]

If we stay at #13 and Orapko is gone I'd expect us to trade down, maybe twice (Jets or Bucs for Freeman at #13 and once more into the late 1st). Imagine the outcry from the fans if we actually accumulate picks!!!

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[quote=Paintrain;549326]If we stay at #13 and Orapko is gone I'd expect us to trade down, maybe twice (Jets or Bucs for Freeman at #13 and once more into the late 1st). Imagine the outcry from the fans if we actually accumulate picks!!![/quote]

This would make my day - assuming we draft a good T along with Mack..

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Sanchez appears to have the positive traits that Campbell doesn't have (which Snyder obviously covets) - being an on-field and off-field vocal leader, and a polished media image and demeanor.

His play on the field also has the potential to be better than Campbell, but at this point - there's too much media attention on his positives to be able to separate the hype from what's real. The game that USC lost to Oregon State may be a fluke game for Sanchez, but that's what left a bad impression with me on his play. He was off all game and I really thought he was the one who lost it for them.

I am not sold on him enough to trade up, but might be leaning on taking him at 13 (I would hate passing up on an OT or DE though). I think that he may be what the redskins are lacking because of his leadership skills and his on-field potential. Jason Campbell, for all that he has shown and done, still hasn't seemed to reach his potential even though he has played a few years in this league already. Much of this has to do with the redskins instability on offense, but this is the redskins way since snyder has been with the redskins and should now be accepted as one of the hazards to being a redskins qb (and player). Sanchez may also be a better fit to handle this.

So bottomline, it's all about drafting a potential leader for the redskins - on and off the field.

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[quote=GTripp0012;549325]Campbell is too old. There, I said it.

We talk a lot about defensive prospects being less likely to bust here because the environment is good for young defensive players. Well, we're actively working to create the opposite effect for a skill position on the offense. Kelly and Thomas are way more likely to bust when there is no stability at the QB position, and Sanchez simply isn't going to succeed where Campbell failed.

Here's the thing: whatever is good with Sanchez' developmental curve won't matter because it's not like we're all going to be patient with him all of a sudden. Matt Ryan was successful as a rookie because the Falcons spent years, and years trying to put an offense around Vick, and you got Chris Redman in there, and Redman enjoyed some success, and Ryan just happened to be a lot better than Redman.

But the pieces were already in place: two young receivers, a young-improving OL, and a new-refreshing coaching staff. I realize Kelly and Thomas could help with a guy like Sanchez, but they need all the help they can get right now themselves. Sorry, this move has like a 0% chance of success if we pull it off.[/quote]

GT you're the trusted voice IMO...I wish the prospect was better but it's really, really worrisome right now.

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So I can celebrate everytime he throws a TD by doing the "Dirty Sanchez"!!

[url=http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dirty+sanchez]Urban Dictionary: dirty sanchez[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;549394]So I can celebrate everytime he throws a TD by doing the "Dirty Sanchez"!!

[URL="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dirty+sanchez"]Urban Dictionary: dirty sanchez[/URL][/quote]


No but I bet the opposing fans of whatever team he plays for will chant that every time he is sacked...which will be often if we draft him instead of a lineman.

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[quote=skinsfan69;549324]Yes I am judging him on that game... and a few others. If what Smoot is saying is true, which is they want a guy who can carry us when we have injuries and so forth, then why in the world are we looking at this guy? I didn't see any USC games where Sanchez faced adversity and had to bring his team from behind. And the few games he did face adversity he played like sub par. I mean if he's so great why didn't he beat out Booty? Booty, Leinart and Sanchez are all the same guy to me. Very good college players but they'll never be great pro's, just good ones. Not one of those guys have Carson Palmer ability so I see no reason to make a trade.[/quote]

Many said he should've played instead of Booty but who knows. I don't have a clue whether he'll be worth a damn in the league or not; I'm not in love with him, but if we get him oh well. He seems like he could be an average QB if things don't work out, kinda like what we have.

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[quote=skinsfan69;549324]Yes I am judging him on that game... and a few others. If what Smoot is saying is true, which is they want a guy who can carry us when we have injuries and so forth, then why in the world are we looking at this guy? I didn't see any USC games where Sanchez faced adversity and had to bring his team from behind. And the few games he did face adversity he played like sub par. I mean if he's so great why didn't he beat out Booty? Booty, Leinart and Sanchez are all the same guy to me. Very good college players but they'll never be great pro's, just good ones. Not one of those guys have Carson Palmer ability so I see no reason to make a trade.[/quote]


Ok, fair enough. Here's JC's bad games to compare fairly;

WAS 7 @ NYG 16
STL 19 @ WAS 17
PIT 23 @ WAS 6
DAL 14 @ WAS 10
NYG 23 @ WAS 7
WAS 10 @ BAL 24
WAS 13 @ CIN 20
WAS 24 @ SF 27

All these games were losses. Now what your going to say is JC looked awsome even though the team lost? I can tell you I was unimpressed with most of those games especially the STL game and the SF game. I know we put up 24 points in the SF game but the game was ugly.

A game we won that I was not impressed with was the Detroit game. We should have smoked them and only squeeked by. I guess due to jet lag.

Does this mean Sanchez is the answer no. Does this mean he will be an excellent NFL QB? no. but he does have abilities JC apparently does not. I read somewhere that they felt Sanchez would most likely not start in the pros cause of his 16 games only but will eventually become a Tom Brady.

Which is why as owner I would pull JC aside and tell him to shut up. He's our QB next yr. The team is only looking out for itself for after next yr and if he plays well then he will get resigned and be the starter. If he blows and screws up then either he's let go or Sanchez can try.