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[quote=Ruhskins;520850]I'd be happy with a low 1st, a 2nd, and two 3rd round picks (we'd be getting the low 1st and 3rd from trading down).[/quote]

according to the trade chart, our pick is worth 1150 points. Assuming the chart was followed, the only situation where we would ONLY get a lower 1st rounder and an additional 3rd is if we traded back from 13 to 16. If we go back any further, we're talking about getting a 1st and a 2nd or a 1st, 3rd and 4th.

In all likelyhood, we will attempt to trade back multiple times unless there is a specific player in the top 20 we are targeting. I think our goal is to accumulate as many 2nd and 3rd round picks as we can. Beyond that, the draft is a total crap shoot. Youre not looking for 1st year starter, so think theres much difference than a 4th round pick and a 7th round pick IMO. The big thing becomes not what a player did in college, but how coachable he is. The future of players taken in rounds 4-7 is more dependant on the quality of the teams coaching staff than anything else. Of course, there are always exceptions, but i think its a rule that generally proves true.

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[quote=SmootSmack;520839]Taylor would happily restructure, I'm just not sure he'd do it for the Redskins[/quote]


Maybe if the chances of a deep playoff appearance existed I'd think there would be a chance. In this case though, I'd say the Pesci "F- You, Pay Me!" line would apply.

And for a team that doesn't look to be too competitive in the coming year...on the basis that the consensus is we almost need a whole new OL & DL which is more than 10 positions, at the least it's 6 positions which is still a lot to fill in one year.


I think that is a reason that Portis is so miffed. Saying we need get help on OL & DL is pretty much saying that you are rebuilding. Portis is close to his peak, in front or behind, and his career can't afford a rebuilding effort.

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Well it's obvious that we don't need to go after any Wide Receivers and Tight Ends. I hope to God Vinny doesn't waste another draft pick on a punter or kicker. Get one of those on the FA market.
If Vinny doesn't address the O & D lines then next year will be yet another wasted season. Also getting a LB somewhere in the middle rounds is probably a must.
If they can re-sign Taylor for a lot less money, then I'd let Washington go and use Taylor as a roving LB.
Remember, we have The Little Danny and Vinny running the Circus so anything can happen with these two clowns.

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[quote=MdBluefinCrab;520856]Well it's obvious that we don't need to go after any Wide Receivers and Tight Ends. I hope to God Vinny doesn't waste another draft pick on a punter or kicker. Get one of those on the FA market.
If Vinny doesn't address the O & D lines then next year will be yet another wasted season. Also getting a LB somewhere in the middle rounds is probably a must.
[B]If they can re-sign Taylor for a lot less money, then I'd let Washington go and use Taylor as a roving LB.[/B]
Remember, we have The Little Danny and Vinny running the Circus so anything can happen with these two clowns.[/quote]

If Taylor does not agree to a pay cut you would still keep him at $8.5M?
I wouldn't.

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Taylor has a contract. He's not restructuring. Why should he? To help his team? Why doesn't everyone on the team take a cut? Makes no sense. Hes a business man as well He comes out this season 100% and he will make a impact. But I don't see him risking injury for a 8-8 team. So not sure if he will give 100% unless he sees a post season brewing. I think it's up to the FO to find a way around the financials and still fill in the gaps with strategic drafts and FA. Not Taylors job or financial responsability.

And is anyone else getting tired of the Danny Vinny comments? Things are frustrating enough. Can't trade Dan or Vinny let's move on.

I agree with Smoot on the restructure statement

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the only motivation for a player like Taylor to restructure is if he still wants to play football and realizes that NO ONE will pay him the money that he is currently due on his contract. If Taylor felt like the redskins would cut him, and no one else would want him (or pay him what we were offereing), then its to his advantage to take a paycut and stay. Otherwise, he could hit the free market, and his value would only go down.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;520866]the only motivation for a player like Taylor to restructure is if he still wants to play football and realizes that NO ONE will pay him the money that he is currently due on his contract. If Taylor felt like the redskins would cut him, and no one else would want him (or pay him what we were offereing), then its to his advantage to take a paycut and stay. Otherwise, he could hit the free market, and his value would only go down.[/quote]

Interesting set of circuimstanses Aristocrat. I still tend to think the Skins want one more season out of him.
1) because of the value they placed on him and what they gave up to get him
2) because he was injured it delayed there true assesment of their investment

Tuff call.

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[quote=44ever;520878]Interesting set of circuimstanses Aristocrat. I still tend to think the Skins want one more season out of him.
1) because of the value they placed on him and what they gave up to get him
2) because he was injured it delayed there true assesment of their investment

Tuff call.[/quote]

Oh, i agree with you that the skins very likely WILL keep Taylor, if for no other reason than to "justify" paying so steep a price to get him. However, I don't think its what they SHOULD do.

If the skins did what they SHOULD do, Cerrato would have been fired and we would have hired a real GM a long, long time ago.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;520853]according to the trade chart, our pick is worth 1150 points. Assuming the chart was followed, the only situation where we would ONLY get a lower 1st rounder and an additional 3rd is if we traded back from 13 to 16. If we go back any further, we're talking about getting a 1st and a 2nd or a 1st, 3rd and 4th.

In all likelyhood, we will attempt to trade back multiple times unless there is a specific player in the top 20 we are targeting. I think our goal is to accumulate as many 2nd and 3rd round picks as we can. Beyond that, the draft is a total crap shoot. Youre not looking for 1st year starter, so think theres much difference than a 4th round pick and a 7th round pick IMO. The big thing becomes not what a player did in college, but how coachable he is. The future of players taken in rounds 4-7 is more dependant on the quality of the teams coaching staff than anything else. Of course, there are always exceptions, but i think its a rule that generally proves true.[/quote]

I like the way you think, except we all know what VC did with three 2nd rounders last year!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;520881]Oh, i agree with you that the skins very likely WILL keep Taylor, if for no other reason than to "justify" paying so steep a price to get him. However, I don't think its what they SHOULD do.

[B]If the skins did what they SHOULD do, Cerrato would have been fired and we would have hired a real GM a long, long time ago.[/B][/quote]

Bada-bing!
Amen.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;520881]Oh, i agree with you that the skins very likely WILL keep Taylor, if for no other reason than to "justify" paying so steep a price to get him. However, I don't think its what they SHOULD do.

If the skins did what they SHOULD do, Cerrato would have been fired and we would have hired a real GM a long, long time ago.[/quote]

That's true but we have the FO and coaching staff that Snyder deserves. No one is going to take the job with Danny micro-managing every decision.

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Whatever "real GM" means

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[quote=backrow;520889]I like the way you think, except we all know what VC did with three 2nd rounders last year![/quote]

true, as far as those picks go, I agreed with getting Devin Thomas 100%. At that point, he was by far the best player to take who filled a need. And I agree with the Fred Davis pick, too. The Eagles took Laws (the player we were targeting) right before our pick and Davis was a great pick for a WCO that was supposed to utilize alot of 2TE sets... both those first two picks had far too much value to pass up... but (according to JLC), our own doctors told Cerrato that Malcom Kelly had horrible knees and his NFL career would likely only be 3-4 years. Many teams had taken him off their board ENTIRELY. With our last 2nd round pick, it was inexcusable to pass on Quentin Groves (DE), Jason Jones (DE), and Mike Pollak (OT/OG).

neither of the DEs did alot this year, but If we had taken either of them, we could have helped ourself a ton since we likely wouldnt have felt pressured to trade this years 2nd and next years 6th to Miami for Jason Taylor when Daniels got hurt. If we had taken Pollak... man oh man that burns me every time i think about it. The dude started 13 games for the Colts this year... the colts gave up less than 1 sack per game, and the OL was comprised mostly of backups due to injury... incredibly impressive.

Oh well, i'll stop whining. woulda coulda shoulda

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JLC'S comments re Los are pissing me off. He's not backing them up w/ anything, especially some kind of logic for the trade. First off, talk about horrible value. We spend a 9th overall pick and dump the guy for a 2nd rounder after a strong come-back season... stupid. And what will we do at corner? It would be unforgivably irresponsible for Blache to count on Springs for a full season, and w/o Rogers we at best have Springs/Hall starting w/ Smoot as a nickel and probably still find it necessary to draft/sign someone. Besides, if Springs gets to stay the indicators are he'll transition to safety, making Horton somewhat expendable and we could get excellent value for him w/ just a 3rd round pick say. [B]In other words, Los/Hall start at CB and Springs/Landry at FS/SS with Moore/Doughty backup. That is a very potent secondary[/B] - all young guys save for Springs who hopefully will be less injury prove at centerfield. The more I think about the Los trade the more pissed I am. Trading Moss or Horton over Los makes better sense IMHO. Can someone shine some light on the inside story here because I must be missing something?

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[quote=The Goat;521015]JLC'S comments re Los are pissing me off. He's not backing them up w/ anything, especially some kind of logic for the trade. First off, talk about horrible value. We spend a 9th overall pick and dump the guy for a 2nd rounder after a strong come-back season... stupid. And what will we do at corner? It would be unforgivably irresponsible for Blache to count on Springs for a full season, and w/o Rogers we at best have Springs/Hall starting w/ Smoot as a nickel and probably still find it necessary to draft/sign someone. Besides, if Springs gets to stay the indicators are he'll transition to safety, making Horton somewhat expendable and we could get excellent value for him w/ just a 3rd round pick say. [B]In other words, Los/Hall start at CB and Springs/Landry at FS/SS with Moore/Doughty backup. That is a very potent secondary[/B] - all young guys save for Springs who hopefully will be less injury prove at centerfield. The more I think about the Los trade the more pissed I am. Trading Moss or Horton over Los makes better sense IMHO. Can someone shine some light on the inside story here because I must be missing something?[/quote]
I understand what your saying Goat. I'm kinda baffled myself. I'm getting the feeling they want more picks and they feel Los or Tana give them the best chances for 2nd round picks. Who they plan on replacing them with, I'm not sure. I understand Blache may have a beef with Los, but is that reason enough to trade him? I would expect Los to have a hell of a year next year considering he'll be in a contract year and then could be franchized the next depending on whether the owners come to an agreement or not with the union. What if he proves he's worth a big contract next year and then Gray becomes DC? We know Los is close with Gray. Then again, maybe they've already decided he's not the corner they thought he'd be, and have decided to give up the kinda of money he's expected to ask to a proven FA and get a draft pick for him while they can. Any way you look at it, it sounds like a lot of speculation to me. I can only hope our speculation "skills" have improved from the past.