Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

if jim zorn does not address this issue now, he could lose the locker room. there is already a building sentiment of jim zorn not being able to take any blame for the loses. i just think that if he doesnt address this issue swiftly and appropriately, not only could this season be lost, but his job depends on it....which in turn means so does jason cambells.......i think if we get a new coach we would have to get a new qb. either a veteran or someone already there or draft.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Just listened to the portis' audio clip from the JT show. (easy to find at espn980.com/audiovault/).

Man, coach thompson and BM have portis talkin to them like hes on the phone talking to old friends and its not being recorded or broadcast live.

its easy to see how portis lets his guard down with these guys. first portis is calling in and not actually in the studio where he would kinda be more "professional" or vanilla if you would. second he calls and coach T has that great deep voice of "hey whats goin on with ya" kinda father relaxin like. so it may open portis up alil or put him off his guard. then they just keep askin him about his benching, not jumpin in or interrupting portis so he just keeps on talkin and talkin, when portis finally does stop talkin the next question is about the same thing . . . coach T and BM would make great attorneys, people would just forget their under oath and just start shooting the breeze with them.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/12/09/portis-not-happy-with-zorn/]ProFootballTalk.com - PORTIS NOT HAPPY WITH ZORN[/url]

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Portis needs to STFU. Zorn is the coach, he calls the shots. Period.

Stuff like this is why Portis rubs me the wrong way, 2nd time this year he has thrown teamates/coaches under the bus. He always gets a pass though.

Like previously said, this would never happen under Gibbs. Above all the Skins were family under Gibbs... even during the 5-11 season you got the sense that everyone was soldout for the team first concept.

Great point by a previous poster...."Quitters and losers start blaming others when things go wrong."

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;510030][url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/12/09/portis-not-happy-with-zorn/]ProFootballTalk.com - PORTIS NOT HAPPY WITH ZORN[/url]

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Portis needs to STFU. [B]Zorn is the coach, he calls the shots[/B]. Period.

Stuff like this is why Portis rubs me the wrong way, [B]2nd time this year he has thrown teamates/coaches under the bus[/B]. He always gets a pass though.

Like previously said, this would never happen under Gibbs. Above all the Skins were family under Gibbs... even during the 5-11 season you got the sense that everyone was soldout for the team first concept.

Great point by a previous poster...."Quitters and losers start blaming others when things go wrong."[/quote]

In response to your first comment, yes, you're absolutely correct, Zorn [I][U]is[/U][/I] the boss. But, in response to your other comment, sometimes you gotta get in someone's face when they aren't performing (i.e.-CP's comment about the O-line earlier this season). It happens in our families, at work, etc. Not long after that statement, our O-line improved and possibly because they were called out. Who really knows. Maybe CP is hoping for the same response from Zorn...doubtful, and the wrong place to do it, but maybe he just thinks out loud too much.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=SmootSmack;509960]Yeah, I can tell you for a fact that the locker room is a bit of a mess right now. But look, this is the first real adversity Zorn has ever had to deal with as an NFL head coach. It would have been ridiculous to think he would never have to face this-a bad losing streak while massaging massive egos-but if we want to be truly committed to him and to buidling success for the long term than he needs to prove he can get through it.[/quote]

Perfectly said.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=Dlyne8r;510038]In response to your first comment, yes, you're absolutely correct, Zorn [I][U]is[/U][/I] the boss. But, in response to your other comment, sometimes you gotta get in someone's face when they aren't performing (i.e.-CP's comment about the O-line earlier this season). It happens in our families, at work, etc. Not long after that statement, our O-line improved and possibly because they were called out. Who really knows. Maybe CP is hoping for the same response from Zorn...doubtful, and the wrong place to do it, but maybe he just thinks out loud too much.[/quote]

I have no problem with CP getting in teammates face (or coaches for that matter) in private. Once you take that crap to the media you become a punk.

Portis said (in regards to Zorn) "If you have a problem with me come talk to me" Take your own advice CP.

Also, that fact that he even said "I made no mistakes" is BS.... Remember your fumble CP? He comes across as a douche.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

I really wish TO (ooops, I meant Portis) would keep dissent out of the media. Go to Zorn, Stump Mitchell, his OLine or anyone else with his issues.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

CP is reminding me a little of Lavar here. Yes, you are the face of the Redskins. NO, that does not give you a licsense to go to the media and pout like a pussy. Sure, they treated you badly. Boo ****ing hoo. Now man up and join the team.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;510046]I have no problem with CP getting in teammates face (or coaches for that matter) in private. Once you take that crap to the media you become a punk.

Portis said (in regards to Zorn) "If you have a problem with me come talk to me" Take your own advice CP.

Also, that fact that he even said "I made no mistakes" is BS.... Remember your fumble CP? He comes across as a douche.[/quote]

So was Zorn a douche in every game that we lost? Because he has taken it upon himself to blast players for week now.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

Well it does seem as though Zorn was like well we're gonna lose this game so lets not injury him any further.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

[quote=prinzeofmoval;510063]Well it does seem as though Zorn was like well we're gonna lose this game so lets not injury him any further.[/quote]

And it wasn't like CP was burning it up out there. Plus, Ladell was good on the pass--some of our only offense, really. CP needs to calm the **** down.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

This is the worst side of CP IMO (i think most of us on the board see it about the same). That said, I don't find any of this troublesome. Zorn, from everything i've seen and heard from him, doesn't take or give anything on a personal level. I guess he may be showing one side in public and another in the locker room and one-on-one, but I more or less doubt it. And because Zorn doesn't take this shit personal than CP will come out looking the fool as he should. The test then really comes back on Portis: is there too much ego to get beyond his own guffaws, in which case he starts looking to go somewhere else? Or does he take a step back? Really hard to say.

As to the laying of blame on offensive production I hope Campbell isn't pointing fingers and isolating himself in the locker room (and I really doubt it anyway). Zorn is right about the shoddy execution. Sure he can't satisfy the fans and just say "The line sucks donkey balls and by the way our receivers drop a lot of passes and run in circles part of the time." No, Zorn has to leave it general w/ comments about production. He's right. If we executed well we'd be moving the ball and scoring. [B]This group on offense has absolutely no right to whine about scheme. For years it has executed poorly for long stretches and on big games, regardless of coach and scheme.[/B] Again, I think Zorn has what it takes to rise above the BS, not sure if he has what it takes to lead. It's a very fine line IMO between tough love - calling the guys out on execution - and becoming a bad guy. As the zen master says... we'll see.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

I understand how portis feels, bottom line, zorn is not taking enough responsibility for the offensive woes. I mean come on Gibb's offensive scheme seemed to get everybody involved. Look at Mike Sellers stats from last year and compare them to this year. Why does Cooley only have 1 td. This is the same o line from last year; why are we giving up so many sacks compare to last season. ZORN NEED'S TO MAN UP!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

This doesn’t look good either for the rest of the season or for Zorn. I think what CP did is totally wrong but I think that by calling players out all season Zorn has made this much more likely to happen. I think players must feel it’s a two way street and feel it’s ok to criticize the Coach if he publicly puts the blame on them after games for losses.

I think CP should suck it up and keep his comments private but I also think Zorn should grow a pair and at least in public back his players and take on some responsibility when our/his Offence completely fails to perform.

Re: Clinton Portis on the JT Show
 

We do have a "body of evidence" to look at here - - and some of the data is conflicting:

1. Portis called out his O-Line early this year as not being all that good. He said that he would like to see what numbers he could put up if he played behind a top level O-Line. OK, he's basically right; this O-Line is mediocre. But is that what one would want to hear from a "teammate" if one were one of the O-Linemen? :spank:


2. Later, B-Mitch called out Portis for his improper comments and Portis lashed back. OK, he doesn't like to be called out by someone who many think should be a HoF player - - not an unnatural position. But getting into a pissing match with a guy who sits behind a radio microphone 5 days a week is STUPID to the max. Back in the 1920s someone once observed that you shoud never pick a fight with anyone who buys paper by the freight carload and ink by the barrel; in 2008, you don't pick fights with sports radio hosts. :nono:


3. Now, Portis is pissed because he didn't get to play on Sunday night. Gee, why didn't he threaten to hold his breath until he turned blue on the sidelines unless he got back in the game? Zorn says he missed some assignments; we DO know that he fumbled and that his fumble resulted in a TD. :confused:


Matty: Good thing for Portis that the Skins no longer have Sultan Mugillicuddy on the practice squad or you would have 17 threads by now saying how Portis needs to be cut so that the brilliance and Pro Bowl talent of Sultan can be showcased and revealed to NFL fans worldwide... :)