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Come one now guys!!!!!! I mean WTF!!!!! Patrick Ramsey had these things to deal with also under Spurrier and nobody went to these great lengths to prop him up. JC isn't the only problem for sure, but my god, he isn't getting the job done and has been here for 6 years. Do you really want to waste another 2-3 seasons with a guy that more than likely isn't going to be better than average? I am not calling for JC's head either, but we do need to seriously think about opening up the QB position to some honest competition in camp next year. [B]We need to realize that if JC falters next season he is more than likely gone anyway.[B]Snyder isn't going to pay top dollar for an average QB.[/B] [/B]

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[quote=JLW428;506401]How is JC supposed to get it done without a WR core? Yell at them to get open down feild? Force them to catch the ball? The WRs are the ones that are making JC look worse than he really is.[/quote]

No Jc makes himself look bad sometimes. Hell Brady outside of last year did it without big named recievers. Hines Ward is Pittsburgh only and yet Big Ben still moves the ball. He else does Jake Delhomme have to pass to other then Steve Smith? Dree Brees recievers was injured al season but he put work in. Lets stop covering for this damn kid and speak of the elephant in the room.

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[quote=prinzeofmoval;506408]No Jc makes himself look bad sometimes. Hell Brady outside of last year did it without big named recievers.[/quote]

Well if Tom Brady can do it, then everyone should be able to do it. Right?

[quote=prinzeofmoval;506408]Hines Ward is Pittsburgh only and yet Big Ben still moves the ball.[/quote]

How about former 1st round picks Santonio Holmes and Heath Miller? Not to mention the fact that Jason Campbell is having a MUCH, MUCH better year than Ben Roethelisberger.

[quote=prinzeofmoval;506408]He else does Jake Delhomme have to pass to other then Steve Smith?[/quote]

Jake Delhomme doesn't have a bunch of targets, but he's not having a stellar year either. Have you seen any of the Panthers games? Delhomme makes Campbell look like an All-Pro stud.

[quote=prinzeofmoval;506408]Dree Brees recievers was injured al season but he put work in. Lets stop covering for this damn kid and speak of the elephant in the room.[/quote]

If you want to compare our QB to the likes of Tom Brady and Drew Brees be prepared to be disappointed year after year.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;506405]Come one now guys!!!!!! I mean WTF!!!!! Patrick Ramsey had these things to deal with also under Spurrier and nobody went to these great lengths to prop him up. JC isn't the only problem for sure, but my god, he isn't getting the job done and has been here for 6 years. Do you really want to waste another 2-3 seasons with a guy that more than likely isn't going to be better than average? I am not calling for JC's head either, but we do need to seriously think about opening up the QB position to some honest competition in camp next year. [B]We need to realize that if JC falters next season he is more than likely gone anyway.[B]Snyder isn't going to pay top dollar for an average QB.[/B] [/B][/quote]Are you saying falters next season, or falters in any game next season?

Campbell has posted 2 1/2 above average seasons since he has been here. Some games have given him more trouble than others, obviously. Not throwing interceptions and cutting down on fumbles are important and have played a big role in the historically low Points Against total we've had in the last four years. There's no reason to assume that in Campbell's second season under Zorn, that he would just play like all of his worst plays from the first season all year long. I don't think you are inferring that.

If you want him to never have a bad game, I think your expectations are too high. He may never play a bad game again, but I think that if all you are looking for is a chance to say that Campbell should not be the quarterback of the Redskins, I think you'll have plenty of evidence to fulfill your prophecy. But you won't have any perspective in doing so, and we can't take your opinion seriously in that case.

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[quote=GTripp0012;506414]Are you saying falters next season, or falters in any game next season?

Campbell has posted 2 1/2 above average seasons since he has been here. Some games have given him more trouble than others, obviously. Not throwing interceptions and cutting down on fumbles are important and have played a big role in the historically low Points Against total we've had in the last four years. There's no reason to assume that in Campbell's second season under Zorn, that he would just play like all of his worst plays from the first season all year long. I don't think you are inferring that.

If you want him to never have a bad game, I think your expectations are too high. He may never play a bad game again, but I think that if all you are looking for is a chance to say that Campbell should not be the quarterback of the Redskins, I think you'll have plenty of evidence to fulfill your prophecy. But you won't have any perspective in doing so, and we can't take your opinion seriously in that case.[/quote]

I am saying faltering for the whole '09 campaign. He will have a whole two years under his belt with Zorn and his system, as will the Wr corp, etc. Snyder's first move as Owner was dumping Frerotte, then dumped Johnson because of the money. I can't see The Danny spending a lot of $ to keep a mediocre QB around if he dumped the likes of Frerotte and Johnson.

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On the one hand JLC's analysis is cogent, on the other hand it doesn't count for shit. Here's what I mean: we have a quarterback/quarterback's coach at the head of this ship. He knows exactly what he wants in a QB. Today Zorn is saying Jason is the guy because Jason, by all reasonable account, is the best option at QB today. Do I think what we hear/know as of today determines anything beyond this season? Nope.

Certainly our problems on offense do not center around an incompetent QB (at this point). The WR corp overall is just as pathetic as it's been for years. The line is only good against average/lousy defenses. Jason has few good targets and very little time to find them. But... any jackass can see Jason holds the ball way too long at this point to be a great QB. Come on, in this league, with the insane skill in coverage and pass rush lots of teams have, your QB has to be able to make a split second decision and rocket the pigskin on a string w/ near pinpoint accuracy to sustain many drives. I don't believe I've ever seen Jason Campbell do that, and if i'm wrong and he has then at least admit he's done it very rarely. Better targets and some consistent pass protection will tell the world whether Jason can be a great QB. But here's what i'm saying: Zorn may know the answer long before Jason has the perfect situation to work with. Zorn may well know the answer today...

I personally will not be surprised by any QB change that happens [I]after[/I] this season, and on the flip side won't be surprised if nothing changes there. Zorn knows what he wants and knows what he's doing. Jason may or may not be the guy and we're just gonna have to wait and see.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;506421]I am saying faltering for the whole '09 campaign. He will have a whole two years under his belt with Zorn and his system, as will the Wr corp, etc. Snyder's first move as Owner was dumping Frerotte, then dumped Johnson because of the money. I can't see The Danny spending a lot of $ to keep a mediocre QB around if he dumped the likes of Frerotte and Johnson.[/quote]

What makes you think JC will struggle all of next year? Also, it was a mistake to dump Brad Johnson, but Gus? You realize that Gus has NEVER posted a rating above 80 in any season in which he passed for 1,000 or more yards, right?

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I don't particularly like LaCanfora, but I thought that was a great article. I couldn't agree more.

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GT,

Have to give me some credit here. I know I say off the wall stuff sometimes, but I am not going to dump JC for one bad game like Gibbs dumped Ramsey. If the '09 season is again a wash with the team getting used to Zorn's system and JC is average/mediocre then with history as my guide JC isn't going to be resigned. Snyder isn't going to invest 3-4 more seasons at a higher salary rate for a guy that can't produce.

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There's a QB controversy? who are you going to throw in? Todd Collins? the man, the myth, the system guy? or perhaps throw in the new Rookie? the one that could not do anything against 2nd and 3rd stringers? LOL, I had to add the Mason references here. Yes, I brought up his name again. lol. but...just to be a smart butt...he has done nothing in this league to warrant all this hype and attention let alone love. He has not led any team against 1st stringers. So ....basically we are stuck with JC. The mediocre QB who can manage a team down the field. He will never be a Tom Brady, Payton Manning, or Eli for that matter. He has no fire when we are down two scores going into the 4th quarter. It's ho-hum lets see what we can do. maybe we will get a score here. He has no 2 min drill to speak of. If he has not gotten ahead prior to half or 3rd quarter forget it.

Throw the ball away....are you kidding? only if the WR is all by himself will he throw over their head or in the dirt. Otherwise...it's...sack time. LOL.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;506421]I am saying faltering for the whole '09 campaign. He will have a whole two years under his belt with Zorn and his system, as will the Wr corp, etc. Snyder's first move as Owner was dumping Frerotte, then dumped Johnson because of the money. I can't see The Danny spending a lot of $ to keep a mediocre QB around if he dumped the likes of Frerotte and Johnson.[/quote]

Snyder didn't have anything to do with dumping Frerotte. He took over the team in 1999 and didn't have any say in personnel that year. Casserly was the one that brought in Brad Johnson.

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[quote=Mattyk72;506429]Snyder didn't have anything to do with dumping Frerotte. He took over the team in 1999 and didn't have any say in personnel that year. Casserly was the one that brought in Brad Johnson.[/quote]


OK you got me. But do you think the Danny is going to sign an average QB to 4 more years with a higher asking price? I don't think so. What has the guy done to warrant it so far, especially if he does falter next season?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;506424]What makes you think JC will struggle all of next year? Also, it was a mistake to dump Brad Johnson, but Gus? You realize that Gus has NEVER posted a rating above 80 in any season in which he passed for 1,000 or more yards, right?[/quote]

You could say that about almost everyone of Gibbs QB's. Perhaps I'm assisting you with your point I don't know but we all have to agree JC is a little to laid back. Yea his laid back attitude enables him to be a "good" drive manager, but if we are losing and need a couple of scores....his good ole boy, laid back attitude, we will somehow get it done...just doesn't get it done. We need a QB with a sense of urgency about scoring when we are down 2 scores in the 4th quarter. not someone who will casually walk up to the huddle and casually walk up to the line and casually call the play then hold the ball for longer then 4-5 seconds and get chased all over the field to finally get sacked 5-10 yards back further.

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I wouldn't rule out signing him to an extension in the offseason, he could be had for a pretty decent price right now. if Zorn believes he's the guy he wants to hang his hat on, it could easily happen. I know people hate looking at the big picture, but he's progressed nicely this year.

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Why the f would Snyder dictate whether Jason stays or goes? WTF? An owner doesn't put a friggin qb/qb coach at the helm and then not listen to what the coach is saying about the qb. Seriously. If Zorn is really the coach over the next few years he'll be the one to decide what we're doing at QB. This debate over what "the Danny" will do w/ Jason Campbell is... wetawded.