Re: How is Vick "overly prosecuted"?
 

[quote=jsarno;344375]Nor is it the first time Vick has done something stupid. (ie: knowingly give a woman an STD and the whole water bottle incident...he's not a "great guy" like everyone says when he does these things)

Also, regardless if Imus has SAID anything, those were just words, and this country is founded on freedom of speech. Huge differences there.[/quote]

Well since I already talked about Vick, here's my Imus rant:

I dunno about Imus. I don't think the guy's a racist, I think he just said the wrong thing. Maybe if he had just left it at nappy-headed, people wouldn't have gotten so blown about it.

I mean the only people really blowing it up were the NAACP and Al Sharpton (Who's annoying as hell). I can't understand why they can't focus on something worth focusing on. I'm sure there ARE injustices against Black people taking place somewhere in the US or even outside of the US. Get involved in that stuff. Not what some old white guy says on the radio. Dude looks like he could croak at any given point in time anyway. Give the dude a break.

Maybe if it was directed AT me I'd feel different. But I mean I'm nappy-headed, I know that, I've accepted that. Maybe the only thing I'd get bent out of proportion about is the hoes thing. But that whole bitches and hoes argument lead to critisizing rap music. And then critisizing the use of the N word in rap music. It was like this huge PC slippery slope. (I'm really starting to sound like a right-winger now huh?)

But maybe its just from personal experience, being that I'm Black and grew up around white people and lots of Black people don't. I'm one of those Black chicks that get weird looks from other Black people cause I know how to use correct english and I dress like I fell out of an Pac Sun catalog.

Sometimes people of different races say insensitive things about other races cause they just don't know better. I get asked about the nappy hair, if I burn when I go out in the sun, if I like rap music, typical things like that.

All I know is that I get along with everyone: Black or white. Gay or straight. Male or female. It seems like people are so focused on being PC that when someones NOT PC, everyone wants to point it out and draw that dividing line again, which automatically makes them, racist or homophobic or sexist. What Imus said was insensitive yes. But not racist. Although upon learning about what other things hes said he probably should've been jerked off the air awhile ago.

But I feel like his punishment fit the crime, which was to lose his position. Of course someone would pick him up. No one that popular is out of a job forever.

Re: How is Vick "overly prosecuted"?
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;344401]Well, yes to both on that, but in particular the public being as "understanding" as they have been. (and not caring as they have been...not that everyone is, but a lot are)[/QUOTE]

I think, as has been mentioned, there's been a good amount of opinions expressed publicly representing both sides; all three sides actually-too light a punishment, too harsh, and just right

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;344403]Well since I already talked about Vick, here's my Imus rant:

I dunno about Imus. I don't think the guy's a racist, I think he just said the wrong thing. Maybe if he had just left it at nappy-headed, people wouldn't have gotten so blown about it.

I mean the only people really blowing it up were the NAACP and Al Sharpton (Who's annoying as hell). I can't understand why they can't focus on something worth focusing on. I'm sure there ARE injustices against Black people taking place somewhere in the US or even outside of the US. Get involved in that stuff. Not what some old white guy says on the radio. Dude looks like he could croak at any given point in time anyway. Give the dude a break.

Maybe if it was directed AT me I'd feel different. But I mean I'm nappy-headed, I know that, I've accepted that. Maybe the only thing I'd get bent out of proportion about is the hoes thing. But that whole bitches and hoes argument lead to critisizing rap music. And then critisizing the use of the N word in rap music. It was like this huge PC slippery slope. (I'm really starting to sound like a right-winger now huh?)

But maybe its just from personal experience, being that I'm Black and grew up around white people and lots of Black people don't. I'm one of those Black chicks that get weird looks from other Black people cause I know how to use correct english and I dress like I fell out of an Pac Sun catalog.

Sometimes people of different races say insensitive things about other races cause they just don't know better. I get asked about the nappy hair, if I burn when I go out in the sun, if I like rap music, typical things like that.

All I know is that I get along with everyone: Black or white. Gay or straight. Male or female. It seems like people are so focused on being PC that when someones NOT PC, everyone wants to point it out and draw that dividing line again, which automatically makes them, racist or homophobic or sexist. What Imus said was insensitive yes. But not racist. Although upon learning about what other things hes said he probably should've been jerked off the air awhile ago.

But I feel like his punishment fit the crime, which was to lose his position. Of course someone would pick him up. No one that popular is out of a job forever.[/QUOTE]

great post...now back to Vick

Re: How is Vick "overly prosecuted"?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;344407]great post...now back to Vick[/quote]

Vick's dead meat.

That's pretty much all there is to that.

Re: How is Vick "overly prosecuted"?
 

I think it's feasible that he could play in the NFL again. And yes, a team in the NFL will pay him to play football; You'd better believe it.

Re: How is Vick "overly prosecuted"?
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;344403]Well since I already talked about Vick, here's my Imus rant:

I dunno about Imus. I don't think the guy's a racist, I think he just said the wrong thing. Maybe if he had just left it at nappy-headed, people wouldn't have gotten so blown about it.

I mean the only people really blowing it up were the NAACP and Al Sharpton (Who's annoying as hell). I can't understand why they can't focus on something worth focusing on. I'm sure there ARE injustices against Black people taking place somewhere in the US or even outside of the US. Get involved in that stuff. Not what some old white guy says on the radio. Dude looks like he could croak at any given point in time anyway. Give the dude a break.

Maybe if it was directed AT me I'd feel different. But I mean I'm nappy-headed, I know that, I've accepted that. Maybe the only thing I'd get bent out of proportion about is the hoes thing. But that whole bitches and hoes argument lead to critisizing rap music. And then critisizing the use of the N word in rap music. It was like this huge PC slippery slope. (I'm really starting to sound like a right-winger now huh?)

But maybe its just from personal experience, being that I'm Black and grew up around white people and lots of Black people don't. I'm one of those Black chicks that get weird looks from other Black people cause I know how to use correct english and I dress like I fell out of an Pac Sun catalog.

Sometimes people of different races say insensitive things about other races cause they just don't know better. I get asked about the nappy hair, if I burn when I go out in the sun, if I like rap music, typical things like that.

All I know is that I get along with everyone: Black or white. Gay or straight. Male or female. It seems like people are so focused on being PC that when someones NOT PC, everyone wants to point it out and draw that dividing line again, which automatically makes them, racist or homophobic or sexist. What Imus said was insensitive yes. But not racist. Although upon learning about what other things hes said he probably should've been jerked off the air awhile ago.

But I feel like his punishment fit the crime, which was to lose his position. Of course someone would pick him up. No one that popular is out of a job forever.[/quote]

Interesting post, very good insight.

Re: How is Vick "overly prosecuted"?
 

[quote=12thMan;344409]I think it's feasible that he could play in the NFL again. And yes, a team in the NFL will pay him to play football; You'd better believe it.[/quote]

He could play, yes but will they actually let him?

I mean it wouldn't be the first time an ex-con played football... Right?

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YAAAWWWNNNN!!!!!

:sleep:

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[quote=DynamiteRave;344412] I mean it wouldn't be the first time an ex-con played football... Right?[/quote]

Umm..I think so. I'll have to check that one.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;344412]He could play, yes but will they actually let him?

I mean it wouldn't be the first time an ex-con played football... Right?[/QUOTE]

Does Jamal Lewis count? What exactly is the definition of "ex-con"

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[quote=SmootSmack;344425]Does Jamal Lewis count? What exactly is the definition of "ex-con"[/quote]

Well in this situation I'd say: Played football. Was convicted and did time. Came back to football.

Re: How is Vick "overly prosecuted"?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;344425]Does Jamal Lewis count? What exactly is the definition of "ex-con"[/quote]

Exactly. Unless you're talking an extended period of time, I don't think any modern day professional football player has left prison and come right back into the league.

But to the question of whether or not he's overly prosectuted, is not really a yes or no question to be honest. It wasn't an average guy, committing an average crime. I really don't have the energy, at least tonight, to break this topic open, but there are several moving pieces here. That's why this story won't die anytime soon.

Re: How is Vick "overly prosecuted"?
 

Vick, Vick, Vick, and Rave is right. Us black people really need to stop saying everything is racist. He could have been caught commiting murder on camera and someone would say that he is a victim of racial profiling.

Re: How is Vick "overly prosecuted"?
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;344435]Vick, Vick, Vick, and Rave is right. Us black people really need to stop saying everything is racist. He could have been caught commiting murder on camera and someone would say that he is a victim of racial profiling.[/quote]

Well yeah. While everything and everyone isn't racist, the history of our country, the very recent history of our country, has it's roots in racism. And you can't just get around that reality, not even in 2007. Do people exploit that to their advantage, of course. But the cold reality is, the majority of the time a black person is implicated for wrong doing, rightfully or wrongfully, the issue of race and color will insert itself in that conversation 99 percent of the time.

Re: How is Vick "overly prosecuted"?
 

[quote=12thMan;344438]Well yeah. While everything and everyone isn't racist, the history of our country, the very recent history of our country, has it's roots in racism. And you can't just get around that reality, not even in 2007. Do people exploit that to their advantage, of course. But the cold reality is, the majority of the time a black person is implicated for wrong doing, rightfully or wrongfully, the issue of race and color will insert itself in that conversation 99 percent of the time.[/quote]


I know but I feel it is time that we all move past that. If a german caucasin and a russian caucasin get convicted of a crime we dont hear racial profiling. you gotta make up your mind. Am I saying that racial profiling doesnt exist: No because it does but we have to stop making everything a racial situation. If Brett Favre got convicted of this. Would it be as big as Vick. No everyone needs to calm down and realize it for what it is: A black guy messed up and must pay for it. End of story.