Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

If you add up the last 3 years for Lloyd he only then can be compared with moss's last year.

I am confused. Walker is still with Greenbay, right? No matter how upset he is why would Greenbay let him go. They have tons of space and they aren't paying walker shit...?

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

they may let him go caue he threatened to sit out. I think anyone that wants him has a super long shot, cause GB needs compensation and walker has to be happy with the new team and the new deal.

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]with the picks given up, i don't think you can really call lloyd a "value" unless he's going to come in and put up 1200 yards.[/QUOTE]

I don't think that's true because this year's draft pool is really light in quality WR's anyway, and WR's are so hit or miss in the draft anyway. Donald Driver was a 7th round pick! Jacquez Green was a 2nd round pick! Get me the hell out of that mess... a 3rd and a 4th rounder are not bad at all for this guy. Sure, we may have struck gold 3 years from now with a rookie we took in the 3rd, or we may have struck out.

By the time you find out whether you got Driver or Jacquez Green, it's basically a moot point anyway!

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

To put it another way... I take you back to the 1995 NFL draft.. here are the WR's selected:

[CODE]
1 1 4 4 Michael Westbrook Redskins Colorado
2 1 8 8 Joey Galloway Seahawks Ohio State
3 1 10 10 J.J. Stokes 49ers UCLA
4 2 15 47 Frank Sanders Cardinals Auburn
5 2 29 61 Jimmy Oliver Chargers Texas Christian
6 3 3 67 Chris Sanders Oilers Ohio State
7 3 14 78 Chris T. Jones Eagles Miami (FL)
8 3 17 81 Tamarick Vanover Chiefs Florida State
9 3 26 90 Antonio Freeman Packers Virginia Tech
10 4 9 107 Tyrone Davis Jets Virginia
11 4 12 110 Eric Bjornson Cowboys Washington
12 4 15 113 Justin Armour Bills Stanford
13 4 18 116 Jack Jackson Bears Florida
[/CODE]

You want to talk about navigating a minefield? :vomit: Of all those bums, only Galloway and Freeman ever did anything.

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

yeah you have a point. the thing is the 3rd on a TE or OL or LB or CB could have been a starter or key backup. at WR there's no way i'd expect a 3rd rounder to come in and do anything his first year.

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

[QUOTE=dgack]To put it another way... I take you back to the 1995 NFL draft.. here are the WR's selected:

[CODE]
1 1 4 4 Michael Westbrook Redskins Colorado
2 1 8 8 Joey Galloway Seahawks Ohio State
3 1 10 10 J.J. Stokes 49ers UCLA
4 2 15 47 Frank Sanders Cardinals Auburn
5 2 29 61 Jimmy Oliver Chargers Texas Christian
6 3 3 67 Chris Sanders Oilers Ohio State
7 3 14 78 Chris T. Jones Eagles Miami (FL)
8 3 17 81 Tamarick Vanover Chiefs Florida State
9 3 26 90 Antonio Freeman Packers Virginia Tech
10 4 9 107 Tyrone Davis Jets Virginia
11 4 12 110 Eric Bjornson Cowboys Washington
12 4 15 113 Justin Armour Bills Stanford
13 4 18 116 Jack Jackson Bears Florida
[/CODE]

You want to talk about navigating a minefield? :vomit: Of all those bums, only Galloway and Freeman ever did anything.[/QUOTE]

Frank Sanders had some decent years.

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

i don't like either. they both have attitude problems. i would have reservations about signing loyd as an ufa let alone giving 2 picks for him. u could get a quality lb in the 3rd round this year.

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

[QUOTE=81forHOF]i don't like either. they both have attitude problems. i would have reservations about signing loyd as an ufa let alone giving 2 picks for him. u could get a quality lb in the 3rd round this year.[/QUOTE]

i hear you, but what's done is done. hopefully we don't overpay him. the good news is he's 24 and he put up yards in a terrible offense and he can leap and make roy williams type catches. The bad news is he can also drop easy balls and has some character issues that may or may not go away with a change of scenery (pointing blame at the qb when he misses catches, focusing too much on his rap "career" and being pulled aside multiple times last season by his head coach to discuss his attitude problems.)


Winning should help, and he should be able to contribute. If he learns to shut up and catch consistantly, he's an open field threat and could more than just a classic possession guy. We'll see...

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

ohh the good old days with michael westbrook....

[QUOTE=dgack]To put it another way... I take you back to the 1995 NFL draft.. here are the WR's selected:

[CODE]
1 1 4 4 Michael Westbrook Redskins Colorado
2 1 8 8 Joey Galloway Seahawks Ohio State
3 1 10 10 J.J. Stokes 49ers UCLA
4 2 15 47 Frank Sanders Cardinals Auburn
5 2 29 61 Jimmy Oliver Chargers Texas Christian
6 3 3 67 Chris Sanders Oilers Ohio State
7 3 14 78 Chris T. Jones Eagles Miami (FL)
8 3 17 81 Tamarick Vanover Chiefs Florida State
9 3 26 90 Antonio Freeman Packers Virginia Tech
10 4 9 107 Tyrone Davis Jets Virginia
11 4 12 110 Eric Bjornson Cowboys Washington
12 4 15 113 Justin Armour Bills Stanford
13 4 18 116 Jack Jackson Bears Florida
[/CODE]

You want to talk about navigating a minefield? :vomit: Of all those bums, only Galloway and Freeman ever did anything.[/QUOTE]

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

[QUOTE=dgack]To put it another way... I take you back to the 1995 NFL draft.. here are the WR's selected:

[CODE]
1 1 4 4 Michael Westbrook Redskins Colorado
2 1 8 8 Joey Galloway Seahawks Ohio State
3 1 10 10 J.J. Stokes 49ers UCLA
4 2 15 47 Frank Sanders Cardinals Auburn
5 2 29 61 Jimmy Oliver Chargers Texas Christian
6 3 3 67 Chris Sanders Oilers Ohio State
7 3 14 78 Chris T. Jones Eagles Miami (FL)
8 3 17 81 Tamarick Vanover Chiefs Florida State
9 3 26 90 Antonio Freeman Packers Virginia Tech
10 4 9 107 Tyrone Davis Jets Virginia
11 4 12 110 Eric Bjornson Cowboys Washington
12 4 15 113 Justin Armour Bills Stanford
13 4 18 116 Jack Jackson Bears Florida
[/CODE]

You want to talk about navigating a minefield? :vomit: Of all those bums, only Galloway and Freeman ever did anything.[/QUOTE]

Chris Sanders' son played young Ray Charles in the movie Ray...does that count for anything?

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

tafkas, can i start another lloyd thread for fun?

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

[QUOTE=hooskins]tafkas, can i start another lloyd thread for fun?[/QUOTE]

A Christopher Lloyd thread? Sure, I love the Back to the Future trilogy. Be my guest.

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

If you love back to the future then you will die when you see they are making a fourth movie.


[URL=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4615266676615092514]Brokeback to the Future[/URL]

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

Yo, Tafkas I did a search and realizad no one has talked about the whole Ramsey, Campbell, Brunell sharade. Can I start a thread on that? Oh that and "Are Brandon Lloyds Dreads gonna be the talk of the town"

Re: Brandon Lloyd vs Javon Walker:
 

[QUOTE=Dirtbag359]Yo, Tafkas I did a search and realizad no one has talked about the whole Ramsey, Campbell, Brunell sharade. Can I start a thread on that? Oh that and "Are Brandon Lloyds Dreads gonna be the talk of the town"[/QUOTE]

Absolutely.

Also, please start threads on the following never-discussed topics here:

"Has Gibbs Lost It"
"Do We Need a GM"
"Is Portis a System Back"
"Who's Better: Spurrier or Gibbs"
"Who's Better: Marty or Gibbs"
"Who's Better: Norv or Gibbs"
"Smoot, Pierce, Barrow, Gardner"
"Why Isn't Darnerien Playing More"