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sounds like the senate may pass a revised cr. will johnson call the house back in session? will trump sign it?

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[quote=Chico23231;1377853]My all time favorite thing is Democrats now platforming MTG. lol

Actually no rules change needed, Democrats could open up the government at anytime

They have chosen to shut the government down

It’s really that simple[/quote]

Are you seriously saying someone shouldn't agree with Marge just because she has an R next to her name? When she is wrong call her out but in respect to healthcare and the Republicans lack of a plan for healthcare and the genocide in Gaza she is correct.

Couldn't Thune open the government? Schumer proposed a one year extension of ACA benefits and let Republicans keep everything else they wanted removal of veterans benefits etc but Thune wouldn't even open it for a vote. Can't blame dems when the Republicans hold all the power.

Anyways it sounds like it is moot. Dems are being cowards jumping ship and willing to allow 20 million Americans lose healthcare or have costs skyrocket in the end Republicans get what they want and Americans will pay the price. Too bad we couldn't have used that 40 billion we gave to Argentina to help the American people

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1377914]sounds like the senate may pass a revised cr. will johnson call the house back in session? will trump sign it?

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I think they would have to. It would certainly decimate their narrative that dems are holding the government hostage if the hold up is MAGA Mike and Trump

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All I know is I need a fucking paycheck.

My last full check was 9/26. 10/10 was partial pay.

Ridiculous

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All for nothing

Zero

Great job Democrats

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[quote=Chico23231;1377926]All for nothing

Zero

Great job Democrats[/quote]


Unfortunately I'm going to have to agree with this.


GOP could have still passed it without them, but Dems held out for ACA credits, and they still didn't get them? Those 8 that signed on should be shamed out of the party for that nonsense. Chuck Schumer is a huge loser and has lost control of his caucus.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1377931]Unfortunately I'm going to have to agree with this.


GOP could have still passed it without them, but Dems held out for ACA credits, and they still didn't get them? Those 8 that signed on should be shamed out of the party for that nonsense. Chuck Schumer is a huge loser and has lost control of his caucus.[/quote]

But they got a pinky promise they’ll vote on it… even though Johnson has already said yeah maybe we won’t. Don’t get why anyone would trust those fucks.

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The Dems were never going to get the funding for health care, it was only a matter of time before enough caved. Trump has taking paying SNAP benefits to the Supreme Court. He has great distain for the poor as he does everything he cans to starve them and remove their health care.

Isn't the south a very poor region of the nation full of poverty and SNAP and ACA beneficiaries? Trump carried those states, those morons are now facing the consequences of their vote.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1377936]The Dems were never going to get the funding for health care, it was only a matter of time before enough caved. Trump has taking paying SNAP benefits to the Supreme Court. He has great distain for the poor as he does everything he cans to starve them and remove their health care.

Isn't the south a very poor region of the nation full of poverty and SNAP and ACA beneficiaries? Trump carried those states, those morons are now facing the consequences of their vote.[/quote]



If the roles had been reversed, the GOP would have held firm until they lost the fucking Senate. That's how much power Trump has over his party. Dems for the most part are pathetic pussies that plays the game with the rules they think should be in place, not the rules that the other team is playing by. If I'm one of those other senators, I'd be calling for Schumer's head on a plate until he was either ousted or forced into retirement.

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[quote=MTK;1377935]But they got a pinky promise they’ll vote on it… even though Johnson has already said yeah maybe we won’t. Don’t get why anyone would trust those fucks.[/quote]


Oh, by no means are they getting those ACA tax credits. They lost their leverage when they handed it all to the GOP.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1377936]The Dems were never going to get the funding for health care, it was only a matter of time before enough caved. Trump has taking paying SNAP benefits to the Supreme Court. He has great distain for the poor as he does everything he cans to starve them and remove their health care.

Isn't the south a very poor region of the nation full of poverty and SNAP and ACA beneficiaries? Trump carried those states, those morons are now facing the consequences of their vote.[/quote]

Yes playing politics and the Virginia/New Jersey elections were more important for Democrats than funding SNAP benefits. They could have signed the exact same bill 40 days ago. There is no shame with you folks, You applaud it.

Yes let’s talk about the failed Obamacare healthcare legislation that has done nothing to help anyone except load more people on it who shouldn’t qualify and increased healthcare cost across the country since its inception. It’s failed period. And for who? Early retirees:

[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/17/aca-enhanced-subsidy-lapse-government-shutdown.html[/url]

Fucking boomers, so again a massive burden on the taxpayers to folks who don’t need the help because of comfort of being able to retire early.

The legislation is an absolute failure from what it would say it would do, to what it actually did. It’s been a boon for the healthcare industry, though. Great job

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[quote=Chico23231;1377999]Yes playing politics and the Virginia/New Jersey elections were more important for Democrats than funding SNAP benefits. They could have signed the exact same bill 40 days ago. There is no shame with you folks, You applaud it.

Yes letÂ’s talk about the failed Obamacare healthcare legislation that has done nothing to help anyone except load more people on it who shouldnÂ’t qualify and increased healthcare cost across the country since its inception. ItÂ’s failed period. And for who? Early retirees:

[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/10/17/aca-enhanced-subsidy-lapse-government-shutdown.html[/url]

Fucking boomers, so again a massive burden on the taxpayers to folks who donÂ’t need the help because of comfort of being able to retire early.

The legislation is an absolute failure from what it would say it would do, to what it actually did. ItÂ’s been a boon for the healthcare industry, though. Great job[/quote]

What do you call it when the federal government refuses to use the emergency SNAP benefits and then takes it to court so they can continue to allow people to starve when a judge rules they need to use the funds? They even went as far as to delete mention of the emergency fund from the USDA website. Isn't that political theater?

I am disappointed in the senate democrats no doubt. If that was what they were going to do they should've just done it. Instead they only put off firing federal employees until the end of January and will definitely lose healthcare.

In terms of the ACA the main reason there is majority of Americans approve it (64%) including 19% of republicans which is the highest it has ever been. Is because it allows for coverage of pre existing conditions which is an abject failure of the private system that nobody wants to revert back to. In terms of increased costs comparing what we had to the ACA, the decade before the ACA 2000-2010 premiums went up 8-10% per a year while wage growth was 2-3%. The decade after the ACA enactment premiums went up at a rate of 4-5% while wages went up 2.5-3%. 2020-2023 premiums went up 3-6% while wages went up 4-5%. My sources (Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF Employer Health Benefits Surveys, 2000–2023), CMS National Health Expenditure Data, Bureau of Labor Statistics)

I am not a fan of the ACA because I believe universal healthcare is the only morally responsible thing for a MDC to do. I also do not like whether my healthcare is decided by the profit margins of a handful of millionaires to billionaires.

So what is the republican solution to this? They have had a decade and have yet to come up with anything in writing. Going back to what we had isn't the answer. I am still waiting for the most favored nation to start reducing pharmaceuticals. There is lots of failure by leadership here.

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[quote=Chico23231;1377999]Yes playing politics and the Virginia/New Jersey elections were more important for Democrats than funding SNAP benefits. They could have signed the exact same bill 40 days ago. There is no shame with you folks, You applaud it. [/quote]

...and the GOP could have ended it day one by nuking the filibuster (save me your tired crap about it being some historical shit, it's not. 1970s is not historical)

Let's talk about your side. Trump not only refused to fund SNAP after the court ordered him, but he specifically took the issue to the Supreme Court. That's how bad he hates poor starving kids. Yeah, that's a much worse look than anything Dems did.



[quote=Chico23231;1377999]The legislation is an absolute failure from what it would say it would do, to what it actually did. It’s been a boon for the healthcare industry, though. Great job
[/quote]

Trump said he had a healthcare bill ready in 2 weeks. That was back in 2017. If the ACA is such a huge failure that you all keep talking about, why hasn't the Republicans put forth a SINGLE healthcare bill in 3 decades? Not a one. Why?

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Reminder

ACA Subsidies Weren’t Being Taken Away by GOP, Dems ‘Designed Those Tax Credits to Expire In their own legislation

Shrugs…a democrat failure

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1378022]Reminder

ACA Subsidies Weren’t Being Taken Away by GOP, Dems ‘Designed Those Tax Credits to Expire In their own legislation

Shrugs…a democrat failure[/QUOTE]Setting expirations on tax credits isn't a failure. 1 it allows for proper CBO accounting. 2 it allows for revisiting and altering with a deadline in mind. What is an abject failure is the Republicans lack of a promised replacement plan other then back to a system that had been broken.

AND what is even more of an abject failure than the Republicans abject failure is the failure of the moderate republicans and moderate democrats to come up with a bipartisan solution that could carry 2/3rds in both houses.

I'm neither an economist, or healthcare guru, but with all the wisdom and knowledge out there it seems to me there must be a solution that is not all democrat or all republican based.

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