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Re: Redskins Offseason Thread

[quote=skinsfaninok;1193910]If I'm looking at the NFCE right now without having my homer shades on, I see it as

1. PHI
2. WSH
3. DAL
4. NYG.

The eagles are champs and had a great O/S adding more talent to an already good roster.

We have loaded up on talent for AS, Burner at WR, All purpose RB , added OL help.
Addressed a huge need on the DL. Our only negative was losing Fuller.

Dallas has lost their top 2 targets from the last 5 years... I don't care who you are, that will hurt.. Dak isn't good enough yet to carry a REC corp.

The Giants added Barkley yes but Eli is still on the decline and they still have big ?'s on the OL. Plus the WR's not named Odell are all avg at best guys. Losing JPP will hurt too.[/quote]
I doubt the Eagles repeat, but they are first and haven't hurt themselves enough this offseason to definitively lower them.

I think the Giants and Skins will fight for 2nd. I disagree about the Giants having big questions on their oline. Solder, Hernandez are huge upgrades, and having Barkley as a running threat should slow the pass rush.

I would be shocked if Dallas finishes above .500 as of now.

Re: Redskins Offseason Thread

[url=http://nfltraderumors.co/bruce-allen-interested-returning-raiders/]Bruce Allen Interested In Returning To Raiders? | NFLTradeRumors.co[/url]

I saw Florio say something about this possibility too.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1193964][url=http://nfltraderumors.co/bruce-allen-interested-returning-raiders/]Bruce Allen Interested In Returning To Raiders? | NFLTradeRumors.co[/url]

I saw Florio say something about this possibility too.[/quote]

I will believe it when I see it. But, I won't be upset if this does happen.

Re: Redskins Offseason Thread

I'm a BA fan as far as player evaluations go, the other non sense like "Kurt" we could do without

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Mcclain released

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/4/30/17302710/redskins-release-dt-terrell-mcclain[/url]

Re: Redskins Offseason Thread

[quote=skinsfaninok;1193969]I'm a BA fan as far as player evaluations go, the other non sense like "Kurt" we could do without[/quote]

[B]2017[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 17 Jonathan Allen DE Alabama
2 49 Ryan Anderson LB Alabama
3 81 Fabian Moreau CB UCLA
4 114 Samaje Perine RB Oklahoma
4 123 Montae Nicholson SAF Michigan State
5 154 Jeremy Sprinkle TE Arkansas
6 209 Robert Davis WR Georgia State
6 199 Chase Roullier C Wyoming
7 230 Josh Harvey-Clemons SAF Louisville
7 235 Joshua Holsey CB Auburn
2016 - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 22 [B]Josh Doctson[/B] WR Texas Christian
2 53 [COLOR="red"]Su'a Cravens[/COLOR] LB USC
3 84 [COLOR="red"]Kendall Fuller[/COLOR] CB Virginia Tech
5 152 [B]Matthew Ioannidis[/B] DT Temple
6 187 [COLOR="red"]Nate Sudfeld [/COLOR]QB Indiana
7 232 Steven Daniels ILB Boston College
7 242 Keith Marshall RB Georgia

[B]2015[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 5 [B]Brandon Scherff[/B] T Iowa
2 38 [B]Preston Smith[/B] DE Mississippi State
3 95 Matt Jones RB Florida
4 105 [B]Jamison Crowder[/B] WR Duke
4 112 [B]Arie Kouandjio[/B] G Alabama
5 141 [B]Martrell Spaight[/B] LB Arkansas
6 181 Kyshoen Jarrett SAF Virginia Tech
6 182 Tevin Mitchel CB Arkansas
6 187 Evan Spencer WR Ohio State
7 222 Austin Reiter C South Florida

[B]2014[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

2 47 [COLOR="Red"]Trent Murphy [/COLOR] DE Stanford
3 66 [B]Morgan Moses [/B]T Virginia
3 78 [COLOR="red"]Spencer Long[/COLOR] G Nebraska
4 102 [COLOR="red"]Bashaud Breeland[/COLOR] CB Clemson
5 142 [COLOR="red"]Ryan Grant[/COLOR] WR Tulane
6 186 Lache Seastrunk RB Baylor
7 217 Ted Bolser TE Indiana
7 228 Zach Hocker K Arkansas

[B]2013[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

2 51 David Amerson FS North Carolina State
3 85 [B]Jordan Reed[/B] TE Florida
4 119 Phillip Thomas SS Fresno State
5 154 [B]Chris Thompson[/B] RB Florida State
5 162 Brandon Jenkins LB Florida State
6 191 Bacarri Rambo SS Georgia
7 228 Jawan Jamison RB Rutgers

[B]2012[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 2 [COLOR="red"]Robert Griffin [/COLOR] QB Baylor
3 71 Josh Leribeus G Southern Methodist
4 102 [COLOR="red"]Kirk Cousins [/COLOR]QB Michigan State
4 119 [COLOR="red"]Keenan Robinson[/COLOR] LB Texas
5 141 Adam Gettis G Iowa
6 173 [COLOR="red"]Alfred Morris[/COLOR] RB Florida Atlantic
6 193 Tom Compton T South Dakota
7 213 Richard Crawford CB Southern Methodist
7 217 Jordan Bernstine CB Iowa

[B]2011[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 16 [B]Ryan Kerrigan[/B] LB Purdue
2 41 Jarvis Jenkins DE Clemson
3 79 Leonard Hankerson WR Miami (Fla.)
4 105 Roy Helu RB Nebraska
5 146 DeJon Gomes DB Nebraska
5 155 [COLOR="red"]Niles Paul [/COLOR] WR Nebraska
6 177 Evan Royster RB Penn State
6 178 [COLOR="red"]Aldrick Robinson[/COLOR] WR Southern Methodist
7 213 Brandyn Thompson DB Boise State
7 217 Maurice Hurt G Florida
7 224 Markus White LB Florida State
7 253 Chris Neild NT West Virginia

[B]2010[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 4 [B]Trent Williams [/B] T Oklahoma
4 103 [COLOR="red"]Perry Riley LB[/COLOR] LSU
6 174 Dennis Morris TE Louisiana Tech
7 219 [COLOR="red"]Terrence Austin[/COLOR] WR UCLA
7 229 Erik Cook C New Mexico
7 231 Selvish Capers T West Virginia

[B]2009[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 13 [COLOR="red"]Brian Orakpo [/COLOR] DE Texas
3 80 Kevin Barnes DB Maryland
5 158 Cody Glenn LB Nebraska
6 186 Robert Henson LB Texas Christian
7 221 Eddie Williams FB Idaho
7 243 Marko Mitchell WR Nevada-Reno

Speaking of Bruce Allen's talent evaluations, the guys in bold are the ones that are still with the team, either as starters or some backup role (and forgive me if I have missed a name or two.) The guys in red are the ones I know of still playing in the league and either starting for another team or have some amount of playing time. The rest are guys - I'm assuming are no longer in the league, or maybe a practice squad guy or whatever. I'm not counting last year's draft, because I think it's too soon to make a proper judgement on that draft.

Assuming it takes about three years to really judge if your draft was a winner or not, we're seeing that since Allen came to the team and up to 2014 - we've had about 5 players to stick. You could also include players that we have just let go in free agency of this offseason, such as Niles Paul, Kirk Cousins, Trent Murphy, and Breeshaud Breeland. We've had a couple 5th rounders to turn out pretty good, a few third rounders. For a few of those seasons, we didn't have a number one draft pick. Looks like Allen was good around the third round.

Overall, I'm not sure I would say I'm THAT big of a fan of his talent evaluations. He had heavy input from Mike Shanahan in a few of those drafts, and Scot McCloughan for a few of those drafts as well. Williams has had some input as well. Maybe I'm wrong not to give Allen as much credit as he deserves, but I don't see how he has been that great with talent evaluations.

Re: Redskins Offseason Thread

[quote=skinsfaninok;1193970]Mcclain released

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/4/30/17302710/redskins-release-dt-terrell-mcclain[/url][/quote]

This is good news!
Glad they realized they made a mistake with this guy and dumped him sooner than later.

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[quote=metalskins;1193978][B]2017[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 17 Jonathan Allen DE Alabama
2 49 Ryan Anderson LB Alabama
3 81 Fabian Moreau CB UCLA
4 114 Samaje Perine RB Oklahoma
4 123 Montae Nicholson SAF Michigan State
5 154 Jeremy Sprinkle TE Arkansas
6 209 Robert Davis WR Georgia State
6 199 Chase Roullier C Wyoming
7 230 Josh Harvey-Clemons SAF Louisville
7 235 Joshua Holsey CB Auburn
2016 - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 22 [B]Josh Doctson[/B] WR Texas Christian
2 53 [COLOR="red"]Su'a Cravens[/COLOR] LB USC
3 84 [COLOR="red"]Kendall Fuller[/COLOR] CB Virginia Tech
5 152 [B]Matthew Ioannidis[/B] DT Temple
6 187 [COLOR="red"]Nate Sudfeld [/COLOR]QB Indiana
7 232 Steven Daniels ILB Boston College
7 242 Keith Marshall RB Georgia

[B]2015[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 5 [B]Brandon Scherff[/B] T Iowa
2 38 [B]Preston Smith[/B] DE Mississippi State
3 95 Matt Jones RB Florida
4 105 [B]Jamison Crowder[/B] WR Duke
4 112 [B]Arie Kouandjio[/B] G Alabama
5 141 [B]Martrell Spaight[/B] LB Arkansas
6 181 Kyshoen Jarrett SAF Virginia Tech
6 182 Tevin Mitchel CB Arkansas
6 187 Evan Spencer WR Ohio State
7 222 Austin Reiter C South Florida

[B]2014[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

2 47 [COLOR="Red"]Trent Murphy [/COLOR] DE Stanford
3 66 [B]Morgan Moses [/B]T Virginia
3 78 [COLOR="red"]Spencer Long[/COLOR] G Nebraska
4 102 [COLOR="red"]Bashaud Breeland[/COLOR] CB Clemson
5 142 [COLOR="red"]Ryan Grant[/COLOR] WR Tulane
6 186 Lache Seastrunk RB Baylor
7 217 Ted Bolser TE Indiana
7 228 Zach Hocker K Arkansas

[B]2013[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

2 51 David Amerson FS North Carolina State
3 85 [B]Jordan Reed[/B] TE Florida
4 119 Phillip Thomas SS Fresno State
5 154 [B]Chris Thompson[/B] RB Florida State
5 162 Brandon Jenkins LB Florida State
6 191 Bacarri Rambo SS Georgia
7 228 Jawan Jamison RB Rutgers

[B]2012[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 2 [COLOR="red"]Robert Griffin [/COLOR] QB Baylor
3 71 Josh Leribeus G Southern Methodist
4 102 [COLOR="red"]Kirk Cousins [/COLOR]QB Michigan State
4 119 [COLOR="red"]Keenan Robinson[/COLOR] LB Texas
5 141 Adam Gettis G Iowa
6 173 [COLOR="red"]Alfred Morris[/COLOR] RB Florida Atlantic
6 193 Tom Compton T South Dakota
7 213 Richard Crawford CB Southern Methodist
7 217 Jordan Bernstine CB Iowa

[B]2011[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL

1 16 [B]Ryan Kerrigan[/B] LB Purdue
2 41 Jarvis Jenkins DE Clemson
3 79 Leonard Hankerson WR Miami (Fla.)
4 105 Roy Helu RB Nebraska
5 146 DeJon Gomes DB Nebraska
5 155 [COLOR="red"]Niles Paul [/COLOR] WR Nebraska
6 177 Evan Royster RB Penn State
6 178 [COLOR="red"]Aldrick Robinson[/COLOR] WR Southern Methodist
7 213 Brandyn Thompson DB Boise State
7 217 Maurice Hurt G Florida
7 224 Markus White LB Florida State
7 253 Chris Neild NT West Virginia

[B]2010[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 4 [B]Trent Williams [/B] T Oklahoma
4 103 [COLOR="red"]Perry Riley LB[/COLOR] LSU
6 174 Dennis Morris TE Louisiana Tech
7 219 [COLOR="red"]Terrence Austin[/COLOR] WR UCLA
7 229 Erik Cook C New Mexico
7 231 Selvish Capers T West Virginia

[B]2009[/B] - Washington Redskins
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 13 [COLOR="red"]Brian Orakpo [/COLOR] DE Texas
3 80 Kevin Barnes DB Maryland
5 158 Cody Glenn LB Nebraska
6 186 Robert Henson LB Texas Christian
7 221 Eddie Williams FB Idaho
7 243 Marko Mitchell WR Nevada-Reno

Speaking of Bruce Allen's talent evaluations, the guys in bold are the ones that are still with the team, either as starters or some backup role (and forgive me if I have missed a name or two.) The guys in red are the ones I know of still playing in the league and either starting for another team or have some amount of playing time. The rest are guys - I'm assuming are no longer in the league, or maybe a practice squad guy or whatever. I'm not counting last year's draft, because I think it's too soon to make a proper judgement on that draft.

Assuming it takes about three years to really judge if your draft was a winner or not, we're seeing that since Allen came to the team and up to 2014 - we've had about 5 players to stick. You could also include players that we have just let go in free agency of this offseason, such as Niles Paul, Kirk Cousins, Trent Murphy, and Breeshaud Breeland. We've had a couple 5th rounders to turn out pretty good, a few third rounders. For a few of those seasons, we didn't have a number one draft pick. Looks like Allen was good around the third round.

Overall, I'm not sure I would say I'm THAT big of a fan of his talent evaluations. He had heavy input from Mike Shanahan in a few of those drafts, and Scot McCloughan for a few of those drafts as well. Williams has had some input as well. Maybe I'm wrong not to give Allen as much credit as he deserves, but I don't see how he has been that great with talent evaluations.[/quote]

Good write up man, I think its def a collective group effort.. Not all goes to BA but in general since he's been the GM our roster has had some very good draft picks and talent come here. Trent of course was the home run hit but KC wasn't far from a HR as well. If you look at this list, it shows a pretty consistent level of 1 and 2 round choices that have immediate impact. Payne and Guice should continue this trend.

Re: Redskins Offseason Thread

McClain just got cut?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1193984]McClain just got cut?

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coulda spent that money on a Guard....damn it. what a waste

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[url]https://twitter.com/ScouTurf/status/991005712368132096?s=19[/url]

Cool chart with player grades for whole team.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1193984]McClain just got cut?

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Cap savings? $1 million or more?

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Francis was cut too.

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2018/04/30/reports-redskins-cut-defensive-linemen-terrell-mcclain-and-a-j-francis/[/url]

Re: Redskins Offseason Thread

[quote=DYoungJelly;1193988]Francis was cut too.

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2018/04/30/reports-redskins-cut-defensive-linemen-terrell-mcclain-and-a-j-francis/[/url][/quote]

Knew it was coming