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More amiturish mistakes from The Wonk:

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...you field garbage, you get garbage.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;948101]You may want to read your own link, nothing in it shows Chinese support for Romney.[/quote]


I put it up there so your buudy could read it,it shoots down everything he says.

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It's getting ugly ,Republicans are now turning on their own.


[URL="http://denver.xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20121002/US.GOP.Romney.Worries/"]GOP reviews turning negative on Romney's campaign | Political Headlines | Comcast[/URL]


Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, who headed the Republican Party when it won control of Congress in the 1990s, said disapprovingly over the weekend that Romney's campaign has been focusing on polling, political process and campaign management. "It's about everything but the issues. It's about everything but Obama's policies and the failures of those policies," he said.
Matthew Dowd, who was a senior political adviser to President George W. Bush, said the Romney campaign was almost guilty of political malpractice over the summer and during the two political conventions. It "left the playing field totally to Barack Obama and the Obama campaign" and "`basically set the tone for the final 60 days of this campaign, which put them behind after the conventions," said Dowd, who worked for Democrats before signing on with Bush, a Republican

[QUOTE=firstdown;948186]The only reason you think its good is because you know your party is supported by the dumb and lazy.[/QUOTE]

What? This is clear voter discrimination not everyone has the means or money to get such an ID card. Seniors and the poor tend to have expired photo IDs.

Also there is zero proof of voter fraud. Both dems and repubs have agreed to this. This bill was signed into law to prevent certain groups from having equal access to the voting booth.

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[quote=Giantone;948266]It's getting ugly ,Republicans are now turning on their own.


[URL="http://denver.xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20121002/US.GOP.Romney.Worries/"]GOP reviews turning negative on Romney's campaign | Political Headlines | Comcast[/URL]


Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, who headed the Republican Party when it won control of Congress in the 1990s, said disapprovingly over the weekend that Romney's campaign has been focusing on polling, political process and campaign management. "It's about everything but the issues. It's about everything but Obama's policies and the failures of those policies," he said.
Matthew Dowd, who was a senior political adviser to President George W. Bush, said the Romney campaign was almost guilty of political malpractice over the summer and during the two political conventions. It "left the playing field totally to Barack Obama and the Obama campaign" and "`basically set the tone for the final 60 days of this campaign, which put them behind after the conventions," said Dowd, who worked for Democrats before signing on with Bush, a Republican[/quote]

Thats now considered turning on someone. LMAO What he was saying is that they are failing to show how Obama has failed and need to spend more time turning Obama's record against him. That's actually called advise and some that Romney needs to take. Obama can't run on his record and they need to force him to defend his record every chance they get.

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[quote=saden1;948231]More amiturish mistakes from The Wonk:

[YT]WMJwGheemns[/YT]

...you field garbage, you get garbage.[/quote]

What did he say that's not correct. Its not the business men and women who get up at 5 and work 7 days a week that makes this country run? Its not the people who have the burden of making a payroll for their employees that make this country run?

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Being allowed to vote without having an proper ID if effing retarded.
Why should Carlos Borderjumper be allowed to vote?
Why should Clancey Weaselfarce be allowed to vote 18 times?
We need a national ID.

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[quote=hooskins;948267]What? This is clear voter discrimination not everyone has the means or money to get such an ID card. Seniors and the poor tend to have expired photo IDs.

Also there is zero proof of voter fraud. Both dems and repubs have agreed to this. This bill was signed into law to prevent certain groups from having equal access to the voting booth.[/quote]

You do know they except about 10 different forms of ID. Seniors can use their SS check stub and the poor can use any gov. type check (wellfair, food stamps, etc...)they receive. I thought Bush got elected by voter fraud? Seems to change with the left to meet their needs. Also if you don't check ID's how would you know if there was voter fraud? That would be like saying if cops do not run radar then people must not be speeding.

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[quote=firstdown;948293]You do know they except about 10 different forms of ID. Seniors can use their SS check stub and the poor can use any gov. type check (wellfair, food stamps, etc...)they receive. [B]I thought Bush got elected by voter fraud[/B]? Seems to change with the left to meet their needs. Also if you don't check ID's how would you know if there was voter fraud? That would be like saying if cops do not run radar then people must not be speeding.[/quote]bush wasn't elected by the voters

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Here you liberals going on about Bain Capital. Do you even know what happened there? Sinnce you dont and are willing to lie about it, then let me give you the truth.

Bain Capital was hired as a management company for the steel mill in question. That steel mill was mismanaged and massively in debt. The only job Bain had was to write the checks.

Romney left Bain shortly after and Bain changed their name from Bain Capital to Bain LLC. Thats when Bain bought the steel mill.

Even so, steel prices dropped mass amounts and American steel companies could not keep up with foreign competition. 20... Yes count that... 20 steel mills in America went out of business at that time and it had nothing to do with the lies that you like to tell. It had to do simply with economics, which you clearly dont understand.

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[quote=los panda;948294]bush wasn't elected by the voters[/quote]

Then who was he elected by?

Lets actually discuss Florida since you cant seem to get it off your mind. To this day, Florida has never been legally challenged by democrats. You have to understand one thing. There are 3 stages to an election.

1) The Voting Phase
2) The Certification
3) The contesting Phase

Dems attacked the certification. They went out of their way to stop the certification for some reason (well there is a reason which I will get to later). They never let the contesting phase happen. If you want to legally challenge an election result, you have no choice but to get to the contesting phase.

Begging the question, why would you stop the contesting phase if the goal is to contest the election?

Its very simple. Its an old political trick. When you have lost an election that you know you will lose regardless of how many times you contest it, then you do one thing. You contest the certification. The certification is nothing. It represents basically the guy ringing the bell to start a round in boxing. The only purpose of the certification is to START the contesting phase.

Contesting the certification allows someone who knows that they have been beat to cry and whine against the election. After all, if you are convinced that you will win a recount, you would never in a million years stop the certification, which is exactly what happened in Fla. This is the first time that this very old political trick has reared its head in a national election. You normally see it at the city and county level.

To this day the dems have NEVER LEGALLY CHALLENGED the results in Fla. That pretty much says it all.

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[quote=saden1;948231]More amiturish mistakes from The Wonk:

[/quote]Speaking of mistakes, presenting our VP:

[url=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iOnbhdw9mLcs4XIBXl4xCMrTQILg?docId=afc1a1575f77421bae7873cecce07420]The Associated Press: Biden: Middle class 'buried' the last 4 years[/url]

"This is deadly earnest," Biden said. "How they can justify raising taxes on [B][I]a middle class that has been buried the last four years?[/I][/B] How in Lord's name can they justify raising their taxes with these tax cuts?"

What's even funnier about Biden's gaffe is that Romney/Ryan have pledged not to raise taxes on anyone....but Obama will oversee the largest tax increase in history come Jan. 1 and with the full implementation of ObamaCare policies.

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Here's the real Obama, Divider-in-Chief:

[URL="http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/02/obama-speech-jeremiah-wright-new-orleans/"]VIDEO: Obama speech praises Wright, attacks feds on Katrina | The Daily Caller[/URL]

Not only is this racially divisive garbage wrong, Obama is factually wrong about the Stafford Act and amount of funding sent to N.O. vs. NY.

From the link:
"By January of 2007, six months before Obama’s Hampton speech, the federal government had sent at least $110 billion to areas damaged by Katrina. Compare this to the mere $20 billion that the Bush administration pledged to New York City after Sept. 11.
Moreover, the federal government did at times waive the Stafford Act during its reconstruction efforts. On May 25, 2007, just weeks before the speech, the Bush administration sent an additional $6.9 billion to Katrina-affected areas with no strings attached.
As a sitting United States Senator, Obama must have been aware of this. And yet he spent 36 minutes at the pulpit telling a mostly black audience that the U.S. government doesn’t like them because they’re black."

And.....under the Obama "recovery" household income in the black community has fallen 11% vs. the overall household income decline at 8%. hmmm?

[QUOTE=firstdown;948293]You do know they except about 10 different forms of ID. Seniors can use their SS check stub and the poor can use any gov. type check (wellfair, food stamps, etc...)they receive. I thought Bush got elected by voter fraud? Seems to change with the left to meet their needs. Also if you don't check ID's how would you know if there was voter fraud? That would be like saying if cops do not run radar then people must not be speeding.[/QUOTE]

Give me a link. All I've seen is a photo ID is needed.

[url]http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/voter/voteridlaw.shtml[/url]

So no SSN card or bills. Poor people and seniors may not have car access to a DMV or the money to pay to get there.

Voter fraud doesn't exist. Period.

[url]http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/allegations_of_voter_fraud[/url]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;948324]Here's the real Obama, Divider-in-Chief:

[URL="http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/02/obama-speech-jeremiah-wright-new-orleans/"]VIDEO: Obama speech praises Wright, attacks feds on Katrina | The Daily Caller[/URL]

Not only is this racially divisive garbage wrong, Obama is factually wrong about the Stafford Act and amount of funding sent to N.O. vs. NY.

From the link:
"By January of 2007, six months before Obama’s Hampton speech, the federal government had sent at least $110 billion to areas damaged by Katrina. Compare this to the mere $20 billion that the Bush administration pledged to New York City after Sept. 11.
Moreover, the federal government did at times waive the Stafford Act during its reconstruction efforts. On May 25, 2007, just weeks before the speech, the Bush administration sent an additional $6.9 billion to Katrina-affected areas with no strings attached.
As a sitting United States Senator, Obama must have been aware of this. And yet he spent 36 minutes at the pulpit telling a mostly black audience that the U.S. government doesn’t like them because they’re black."

And.....under the Obama "recovery" household income in the black community has fallen 11% vs. the overall household income decline at 8%. hmmm?[/quote]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Divider in Chief..Tucker Carlson..Hahahhahaha...LOL..hahahahah...whew!

SlinginSammy, stop it! You're killing me.

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Ever notice when Obama's talking to black people, he's being divisive and ginning up race? Oh....he's soooo scary.

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[quote=Skinzman;948299]Here you liberals going on about Bain Capital. Do you even know what happened there? Sinnce you dont and are willing to lie about it, then let me give you the truth.

Bain Capital was hired as a management company for the steel mill in question. That steel mill was mismanaged and massively in debt. The only job Bain had was to write the checks.

Romney left Bain shortly after and Bain changed their name from Bain Capital to Bain LLC. Thats when Bain bought the steel mill.

Even so, steel prices dropped mass amounts and American steel companies could not keep up with foreign competition. 20... Yes count that... 20 steel mills in America went out of business at that time and it had nothing to do with the lies that you like to tell. It had to do simply with economics, which you clearly dont understand.[/quote]

wow, a Bain attack.:bdh:this was discussed a while ago(a long while ago.)

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[quote=Skinzman;948299]Here you liberals going on about Bain Capital. Do you even know what happened there? Sinnce you dont and are willing to lie about it, then let me give you the truth.

Bain Capital was hired as a management company for the steel mill in question. That steel mill was mismanaged and massively in debt. The only job Bain had was to write the checks.

Romney left Bain shortly after and Bain changed their name from Bain Capital to Bain LLC. Thats when Bain bought the steel mill.

Even so, steel prices dropped mass amounts and American steel companies could not keep up with foreign competition. 20... Yes count that... 20 steel mills in America went out of business at that time and it had nothing to do with the lies that you like to tell. It had to do simply with economics, which you clearly dont understand.[/quote]

You Jr need to get you facts straight,1) I'm no liberal 2) read....

[url=http://www.realromneyrecord.com/cases/gst-steel]The Real Romney Record: GST Steel[/url]

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From CNN Money, top economists pick Romney 3-1 over Obama:

[url=http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/30/news/economy/romney-obama-economists/]Economists reluctantly pick Romney - Sep. 30, 2012[/url]

Mitt Romney Style! Ayyye wealthy lady!

[url]http://m.collegehumor.com/video/6830834/mitt-romney-style-gangnam-style-parody[/url]

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[quote=hooskins;948506]Mitt Romney Style! Ayyye wealthy lady!

[url=http://m.collegehumor.com/video/6830834/mitt-romney-style-gangnam-style-parody]Mitt Romney Style (Gangnam Style Parody) - CollegeHumor Video[/url][/quote]
hilarious, the Ryan in all yellow was classic.

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Looking forward to tonight's debate. I think it's going to be a bit of a snoozer, no real news made.

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People died for the right vote in this country and Republicans are trying make it hard for regular American citizens to exercise their civic duty and Constitutional right.

[url=http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/clinton-says-nh-gop-trying-to-keep-college-students-137341.html]Clinton says NH GOP trying to keep college students from voting - POLITICO.com[/url]

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It burns me up. Conservatives are the main ones waving the flag and speechifying about the Constitution down their noses, but insist on making the most basic American right onerous.

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And don't give me this shit about lazy people and voter fraud. That's bullsiht. It's fukcing voter suppression. Plain and simple.

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[quote=Skinzman;948302][B]Then who was he elected by?[/B]

Lets actually discuss Florida since you cant seem to get it off your mind. To this day, Florida has never been legally challenged by democrats. You have to understand one thing. There are 3 stages to an election.

1) The Voting Phase
2) The Certification
3) The contesting Phase

Dems attacked the certification. They went out of their way to stop the certification for some reason (well there is a reason which I will get to later). They never let the contesting phase happen. If you want to legally challenge an election result, you have no choice but to get to the contesting phase.

Begging the question, why would you stop the contesting phase if the goal is to contest the election?

Its very simple. Its an old political trick. When you have lost an election that you know you will lose regardless of how many times you contest it, then you do one thing. You contest the certification. The certification is nothing. It represents basically the guy ringing the bell to start a round in boxing. The only purpose of the certification is to START the contesting phase.

Contesting the certification allows someone who knows that they have been beat to cry and whine against the election. After all, if you are convinced that you will win a recount, you would never in a million years stop the certification, which is exactly what happened in Fla. This is the first time that this very old political trick has reared its head in a national election. You normally see it at the city and county level.

To this day the dems have NEVER LEGALLY CHALLENGED the results in Fla. That pretty much says it all.[/quote]the electoral college, the voters voted 50,456,002 to 50,999,897 in favor of gore. that's all i was getting at.

[url=http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2000/elecpop.htm]Federal Elections 2000: 2000 Presidential Electoral and Popular Vote Table[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;948584]People died for the right vote in this country and Republicans are trying make it hard for regular American citizens to exercise their civic duty and Constitutional right.

[url=http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/clinton-says-nh-gop-trying-to-keep-college-students-137341.html]Clinton says NH GOP trying to keep college students from voting - POLITICO.com[/url][/quote]

Really?
Clinton said something negative towards the GOP?
Well gee whillikers, if he said so it must be true.

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generalizing is healthy, one or several republican's views must represent the entire party's views.

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Gotta feeling Obama gets his ass whipped tonight

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;948602]Really?
Clinton said something negative towards the GOP?
Well gee whillikers, if he said so it must be true.[/QUOTE]

Are there any studies out there that say voter fraud actually occurs in any significant amount to need IDs?

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[quote=12thMan;948584]People died for the right vote in this country and Republicans are trying make it hard for regular American citizens to exercise their civic duty and Constitutional right.

[url=http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/clinton-says-nh-gop-trying-to-keep-college-students-137341.html]Clinton says NH GOP trying to keep college students from voting - POLITICO.com[/url][/quote]

Kind of funny you say that.

Going back to the Bush/Gore election. In Fla. one of the cases brought to the Fla supreme court was whether people in the military would be allowed to vote from out of state. There is a problem with some countries not using postmarks. Fla law says that out of state votes had to be "Postmarked" before a certain date. Even though the dates were written on the envelopes when they were received, and they were received well in advance, the dems still went after those votes claiming them to be illegal votes, due to no postmark. They knew those votes were legitimate but tried to suppress them anyways... and actually won the case (Overturned later).

So you want to claim that people have died for this country and then complain about normal peoples votes being suppressed. How about you douches trying to kill the votes of the ones who are actually willing to die to give you that right. For some reason, that wont bother you if a vote for a republican is not allowed.

The massively hypocritical part is that all the libs in Fla were carrying around signs that said "Every Vote Must Count". Yet when it was announced that every vote would not count (You know, those people who were willing to die to give you certain freedoms), libs were waving those signs in the victory dance.

Stop using the military and them dying for your rights as your reasoning for you being allowed to vote then claiming they dont deserve the right to vote as well.

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[quote=12thMan;948584]People died for the right vote in this country and Republicans are trying make it hard for regular American citizens to exercise their civic duty and Constitutional right.

[URL="http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/clinton-says-nh-gop-trying-to-keep-college-students-137341.html"]Clinton says NH GOP trying to keep college students from voting - POLITICO.com[/URL][/quote]Signing a piece of paper (residency declaration) is quite cumbersome for a college student....:frusty:

[QUOTE=hooskins;948343]Give me a link. All I've seen is a photo ID is needed.

[url]http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/voter/voteridlaw.shtml[/url]

So no SSN card or bills. Poor people and seniors may not have car access to a DMV or the money to pay to get there.[/QUOTE]







[QUOTE=hooskins;948348]Voter fraud doesn't exist. Period.

[url]http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/allegations_of_voter_fraud[/url][/QUOTE]

These facts are too real to counter? Come on folks, give me some legit retorts.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;948680]Signing a piece of paper (residency declaration) is quite cumbersome for a college student....:frusty:[/quote]

I doubt it is but even you have to admit that it creates an undue burden given the insufficient time to educate voters, especially young voters. All these laws wouldn't be as much of an issue if Republicans hadn't enacted/tightened these laws so close to the election. It's quite obvious to any rational person what Republicans care about most is helping Romney win and not helping voters vote or protecting the sanctity voting.


Take this guy for example...How blatant and stupid is this guy?

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Here's one reason Obama shouldn't get a second term:

[URL="http://www.disinfo.com/2012/10/are-americans-already-detained-under-ndaa/"]NDAA[/URL]

[I]US Federal Judge Katherine Forrest in turn agreed (Section 1021) was unconstitutional. Last month Judge Forrest decided that an earlier, temporary injunction on the clause should be made permanent, but the Obama Justice Department pleaded for an emergency stay only hours later. A lone federal appeals judge has since heard that plea and has momentarily blocked Judge Forrest’s injunction. Now pending the results of an appeals panel’s formal investigation, the NDAA’s indefinite detention provision remains on the books.

On Thursday, the plaintiffs in the case — journalist Chris Hedges, activist Tangerine Bolen, Pentagon Papers leaker Dan Ellsberg, their attorneys and others — told users of Reddit to ask them anything.

“The Obama DOJ has vigorously opposed these efforts, and immediately appealed her ruling and requested an emergency stay on the injunction – claiming the US would incur ‘irreparable harm’ if the president lost the power to use Section 1021 – and detain anyone, anywhere until the end of hostilities on a whim. This case will probably make its way to the Supreme Court,” the plaintiffs acknowledged in their introduction.[/I]

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[quote=hooskins;948653]Are there any studies out there that say voter fraud actually occurs in any significant amount to need IDs?[/quote]

I really dont care about any needledick studies.
Because there are so many illegals in this country I'm a firm believer in a national ID.
And just because some egghead hasnt done a "study", it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
I'm not that naive.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;948707]I really dont care about any needledick studies.
Because there are so many illegals in this country I'm a firm believer in a national ID.
And just because some egghead hasnt done a "study", it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
I'm not that naive.[/quote]i'd trade everyone on wall street for all the illegals in america any day.
hard working people paying taxes vs people playing fantasy football w our economy

that was a huge generalization, but i'm only speaking from my personal experience. anyways, here in ca, they're trying to trick illegals into legally obtaining driver's licenses

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;948707]I really dont care about any needledick studies.
Because there are so many illegals in this country I'm a firm believer in a national ID.
And just because some egghead hasnt done a "study", it doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
I'm not that naive.[/QUOTE]

Haha wow. You aren't "that naive" but naive enough to use your own generalizations and paranoia, which again there are no facts to substantiate, to come to conclusions? Brilliant. Curse and use talking points when quantitative facts are presented.

My point, from my previous post, is proven.