Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith
 

[quote=SkinzWin;1187361]What is your alternative solution at QB for next year? If you don’t have a QB, your chances of any possibility of success are next to zero.[/quote]

We didn't succeed with Cousins last season. We won't with Smith next season.

Fire Bruce Allen. Get Snyder out of the football side of operations altogether.

Get someone like Nick Caserio, Mark Dominik, Eric DeCosta, Rick Mueller, Dave Gettleman, or Chris Ballard. ANY of these guys would be a massive upgrade. Let them do what THEY want at QB.

If it were my choice, I would like them to draft a QB and build from there. Like the Eagles and Rams have. We are NOT contenders now.

Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith
 

Oh it just gets better, from Shefter:

Kansas City is expected to receive a second-round pick from Washington for Alex Smith and possibly more, per source. But a second-round pick was the price as of this morning, before trade between KC and Washington finalized.

Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1187486]Oh it just gets better, from Shefter:



Kansas City is expected to receive a second-round pick from Washington for Alex Smith and possibly more, per source. But a second-round pick was the price as of this morning, before trade between KC and Washington finalized.[/QUOTE]



That’s an old tweet

Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith
 

[quote=HailGreen28;1187484]We didn't succeed with Cousins last season. We won't with Smith next season.

Fire Bruce Allen. Get Snyder out of the football side of operations altogether.

Get someone like Nick Caserio, Mark Dominik, Eric DeCosta, Rick Mueller, Dave Gettleman, or Chris Ballard. ANY of these guys would be a massive upgrade. Let them do what THEY want at QB.

If it were my choice, I would like them to draft a QB and build from there. Like the Eagles and Rams have. We are NOT contenders now.[/quote]

I find it funny you can guarantee Smith won’t be successful because Cousins wasn’t. Especially before FA and the draft even begin.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1187489]I find it funny you can guarantee Smith won’t be successful because Cousins wasn’t. Especially before FA and the draft even begin.[/quote]

This team needs a rebuild. It's sad to me.

Re: Redskins Trade for Alex Smith
 

We have plenty of cap and picks to keep building. Not sure where this rebuild talk is coming from.

Re: Redskins Trade for Alex Smith
 

It's a no brainer to me and I've been stoked since waking up this morning. U get a better QB for $30M less in guarantees most likely and 5M a yr less. The only downside is AS is 33.

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Matty the quote system is broken again, it won't let me quote yours or SCRedskins post.

I didn't like the prove it tag, because we have a cap guru in Eric Schaffer who no doubt could have come up with a long term deal that gave us an out a 2-4 years down the road if he didn't pan out. But we didn't even try for the better part of 2 offseasons, it was like they were never serious about it. The lack of faith in him showed, and most likely is what burned us in the end. I mean shit, we benched McNabb a week after his long term extension, you can't tell me there's no way Kirk wasn't worth the money. The cap goes up every year, which makes the contract more manageable. Plus you can do creative accounting if you need to make room.

Matty, I know I'm complaining over spilled milk right now, but this deal allows our current power structure to remain in place despite the fact they are the only franchise in modern day history to screw up having a good qb.

Youse guys complaining that KC can't get us to the playoffs are conveniently ignoring it takes a 53 man roster to get us there. The stats were good. The attitude was good. He showed up every day, put in the work, came in as a backup rookie and made it to the Pro Bowl 5 years later. Instead of rewarding him for it, they dissed him. And it not only cost us financially, it has now cost us our best up-and-coming young defender. How much money did we save after paying KC 44 mil for 2 years and Alex Smith 71+ for however many years he lasts? The difference is negligible. I did a quick Google search and I can't find the rankings at work rn, but I have seen somewhere that said KC ranks 6th in the NFL in completions over 20 yards and in the same span Smith ranks 22nd. That's ignoring all of the other stats, the combined passing td's over the last 3 years, etc.

So to me, this deal screams we just paid Kirk big money for 2 years, only to get rid of him and Kendall Fuller for an older, not-as-good but same neighborhood qb who we still have to pay regardless. Time will tell the tale, but it reeks of incompetency for me. What more do we have to see to know that Bruce Allen does not deserve to run this front office? Do we have to wait until we slide from mediocre to downright uncompetitive?

I have no idea what would be a better solution at this point in time. I just know it doesn't involve giving away Kendall Fuller. You build your team around these young, cheap, built-through-the-draft building blocks. And we just gave away two of our brightest success stories of building through the draft of the last few years.

I thought we were on the right track when McC came on board and decided building through the draft was the smart philosophy. But part 2 of building through the draft means paying the homegrown talent who worked hard to prove themselves worthy. We seemed to have missed that message.

Re: Redskins Trade for Alex Smith
 

[QUOTE=MTK;1187491]We have plenty of cap and picks to keep building. Not sure where this rebuild talk is coming from.[/QUOTE]We have more money now to go get a WR. All we need is someone like E Sanders and we'll be really good in the pass game. Just need a RB

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[quote=mooby;1187493]I thought we were on the right track when McC came on board and decided building through the draft was the smart philosophy. But part 2 of building through the draft means paying the homegrown talent who worked hard to prove themselves worthy. We seemed to have missed that message.[/quote]

[U]We[/U] didn't miss the message. Snyder and Smithers never received the message. Snyder hired McC then ignored his advice regarding a LTD for Cousins. Meanwhile Smithers was busy undermining McC to gain more power while McC was busy undermining himself with his absurd, self-styled rehab program of sticking to beer. Voila!

Snyder just can't keep from interfering with the QB position and he appears to be firmly committed to the sycophantic school of management. Bad ownership is what keeps this carnival ride spinning.

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I agree Smith is the best option we had so in that sense I am good with this.

As an aside am I the only one who thinks the team actually put alot of weapons around Cousins? That Gruden bet his job on Cousins playing well? So the initial offer sent to him was low....get over yourself and negotiate to what is reasonable for both sides. I give two shits Cousins got but hurt because the owner liked bobby3 better. At some point he needs to let shit roll off his back or he is not going to win anything. So part of me is happy this fucker is gone.

I mean really, I couldn't imagine this happening to me at my normal job and not working something out to where I was happy.

Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith
 

[QUOTE=Kope;1187496]I agree Smith is the best option we had so in that sense I am good with this.

As an aside am I the only one who thinks the team actually put alot of weapons around Cousins? That Gruden bet his job on Cousins playing well? So the initial offer sent to him was low....get over yourself and negotiate to what is reasonable for both sides. I give two shits Cousins got but hurt because the owner liked bobby3 better. At some point he needs to let shit roll off his back or he is not going to win anything. So part of me is happy this fucker is gone.

I mean really, I couldn't imagine this happening to me at my normal job and not working something out to where I was happy.[/QUOTE]The first 2 seasons Kirk had as many weapons as anyone. Last year no

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1187495][U]We[/U] didn't miss the message. Snyder and Smithers never received the message. Snyder hired McC then ignored his advice regarding a LTD for Cousins. Meanwhile Smithers was busy undermining McC to gain more power while McC was busy undermining himself with his absurd, self-styled rehab program of sticking to beer. Voila!

Snyder just can't keep from interfering with the QB position and he appears to be firmly committed to the sycophantic school of management. Bad ownership is what keeps this carnival ride spinning.[/QUOTE]Nope, Cousins said yesterday that Scott was the one that refused to sign him to the LTD. He said it when asked aboutt Scots "Kirk is nothing special" comment. Apparently he had told Kirk the same back then.

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Is it possible we could still trade Cousins?

Re: Redskins trade for Alex Smith
 

[quote=mooby;1187493]Matty the quote system is broken again, it won't let me quote yours or SCRedskins post.

I didn't like the prove it tag, because we have a cap guru in Eric Schaffer who no doubt could have come up with a long term deal that gave us an out a 2-4 years down the road if he didn't pan out. But we didn't even try for the better part of 2 offseasons, it was like they were never serious about it. The lack of faith in him showed, and most likely is what burned us in the end. I mean shit, we benched McNabb a week after his long term extension, you can't tell me there's no way Kirk wasn't worth the money. The cap goes up every year, which makes the contract more manageable. Plus you can do creative accounting if you need to make room.

Matty, I know I'm complaining over spilled milk right now, but this deal allows our current power structure to remain in place despite the fact they are the only franchise in modern day history to screw up having a good qb.

Youse guys complaining that KC can't get us to the playoffs are conveniently ignoring it takes a 53 man roster to get us there. The stats were good. The attitude was good. He showed up every day, put in the work, came in as a backup rookie and made it to the Pro Bowl 5 years later. Instead of rewarding him for it, they dissed him. And it not only cost us financially, it has now cost us our best up-and-coming young defender. How much money did we save after paying KC 44 mil for 2 years and Alex Smith 71+ for however many years he lasts? The difference is negligible. I did a quick Google search and I can't find the rankings at work rn, but I have seen somewhere that said KC ranks 6th in the NFL in completions over 20 yards and in the same span Smith ranks 22nd. That's ignoring all of the other stats, the combined passing td's over the last 3 years, etc.

So to me, this deal screams we just paid Kirk big money for 2 years, only to get rid of him and Kendall Fuller for an older, not-as-good but same neighborhood qb who we still have to pay regardless. Time will tell the tale, but it reeks of incompetency for me. What more do we have to see to know that Bruce Allen does not deserve to run this front office? Do we have to wait until we slide from mediocre to downright uncompetitive?

I have no idea what would be a better solution at this point in time. I just know it doesn't involve giving away Kendall Fuller. You build your team around these young, cheap, built-through-the-draft building blocks. And we just gave away two of our brightest success stories of building through the draft of the last few years.

I thought we were on the right track when McC came on board and decided building through the draft was the smart philosophy. But part 2 of building through the draft means paying the homegrown talent who worked hard to prove themselves worthy. We seemed to have missed that message.[/quote]

Agree with everything you stated. Completely do not trust the Redskins front office to get anything right. This was a cover your backside deal, since the Redskins are probably the only franchise in NFL history to torpedo their own 'franchise QB' after stumbling onto one by blind luck, due to Shanahan's draft. It would not surprise me at all if this was some weird, can't let Shanahan have credit stunt, since 'little Danny' was all in on RGIII and couldn't deal with his precious RGIII being a bust.

Kirk is the only memorable Redskin's QB of the last 20 years. This is almost as bad as when they let Trent Green leave.

Sick of the lousy ownership and front office. I'll cherish my Redskins memories, from long ago, but those were from childhood. Realizing that after twenty years of garbage due to Snyder, it might be time to move on.