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Just curious what's the tipping point to just say F it and move on to a new team? I think that's the delicate balance here. Too radical of a change and you leave the franchise totally unrecognizable especially for the out of market fan base.

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[quote=MTK;1285818]Just curious what's the tipping point to just say F it and move on to a new team? I think that's the delicate balance here. Too radical of a change and you leave the franchise totally unrecognizable especially for the out of market fan base.[/quote]

I think a name and color change could be too much for some fans which is why the colors wont change. That's why some names have to also be ruled out, you cant call the teams Americans or Federals without changing to red, white, blue. Also anything military seems like it wouldn't work with the current color scheme.

Personally I don't think there is much of an out of town fanbase anymore (honestly there isn't much of an in-town fanbase anymore either) and those fans that do exist are older. All this talk of calling them the Hogs is meaningless to a 20 something, they weren't born during the glory days and likely don't care. I suspect their feelings are that if the fans that are left have stuck with them through the garbage of the last 30 years then they will stick through this change.

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[quote=irish;1285819]I think a name and color change could be too much for some fans which is why the colors wont change. That's why some names have to also be ruled out, you cant call the teams Americans or Federals without changing to red, white, blue. Also anything military seems like it wouldn't work with the current color scheme.

[B]Personally I don't think there is much of an out of town fanbase anymore[/B] (honestly there isn't much of an in-town fanbase anymore either) and those fans that do exist are older. All this talk of calling them the Hogs is meaningless to a 20 something, they weren't born during the glory days and likely don't care. I suspect their feelings are that if the fans that are left have stuck with them through the garbage of the last 30 years then they will stick through this change.[/quote]

Just scanning through the last few pages of this thread we have NY, CA, PA, Canada, and France represented.

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[quote=MTK;1285821]Just scanning through the last few pages of this thread we have NY, CA, PA, Canada, and France represented.[/quote]

Does 5 people constitute an out of town fanbase? I'm not saying there aren't WFT fans outside of DC, I'm saying there aren't very many. And I bet the average age of those fans is 40+. WFT hasn't done anything to attract new fans in 30 years.

What's more telling to me is how much the fan base has shrunk in the DMV. I live in the MD suburbs and nobody around me is a WFT fan. When I first moved here it was everyone but now they have changed to Balt. Between the losing, Snyder, and all the BS surrounding this organization people either dont care about WFT or downright hate them. If I owned this organization that would give me pause.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1285820]If they were to change the colors and erase the history all together I'd be out[/quote]

I don't think changing the name and colors means the history is erased. They still have the Super Bowl wins and records. The link just isn't as obvious.

Who team would you change to?

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[quote=irish;1285823]Who would you change to?[/quote]

No idea TBH, never gave it a thought.

Probably just be a fan of the sport at that point.

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[quote=irish;1285822]Does 5 people constitute an out of town fanbase? I'm not saying there aren't WFT fans outside of DC, I'm saying there aren't very many. And I bet the average age of those fans is 40+. WFT hasn't done anything to attract new fans in 30 years.

What's more telling to me is how much the fan base has shrunk in the DMV. I live in the MD suburbs and nobody around me is a WFT fan. When I first moved here it was everyone but now they have changed to Balt. Between the losing, Snyder, and all the BS surrounding this organization people either dont care about WFT or downright hate them. If I owned this organization that would give me pause.[/quote]

It was just a quick example showing the out of town fans are still there.

The fan base as a whole has probably shrunk over the years but I know just personally anytime I got out to a bar to watch a game I'm never the only Skins fan there. Consistent winning will bring back plenty of fans.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1285824]No idea TBH, never gave it a thought.

Probably just be a fan of the sport at that point.[/quote]

Same here. I already enjoy kicking back on Sundays and watching redzone all day. Wouldn't really hurt me to not have a team.

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[quote=irish;1285822]Does 5 people constitute an out of town fanbase? I'm not saying there aren't WFT fans outside of DC, I'm saying there aren't very many. And I bet the average age of those fans is 40+. WFT hasn't done anything to attract new fans in 30 years.

What's more telling to me is how much the fan base has shrunk in the DMV. I live in the MD suburbs and nobody around me is a WFT fan. When I first moved here it was everyone but now they have changed to Balt. Between the losing, Snyder, and all the BS surrounding this organization people either dont care about WFT or downright hate them. If I owned this organization that would give me pause.[/quote]

He forgot the biggest fan from Oklahoma too.. lol I've been a lifelong fan and I actually grew up in south MS, Saints territory. I'm only 34 so it is possible but I see what u are saying.

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[quote=MTK;1285826]Same here. I already enjoy kicking back on Sundays and watching redzone all day. Wouldn't really hurt me to not have a team.[/quote]

The easy choice for me would be the Saints or Bills since I've lived in both markets and both are not rivals of WSH but I just can't picture myself in another teams colors.. Its weird

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[url]https://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/31051844/washington-football-team-line-controversy-comebacks-change[/url]

Today marks a full year BTW

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Wright said there will be connectivity with the past. Certainly keeping the colors is part of it. Honestly Washington Wolves just seems so obvious, despite the resistance among some here. One article made a point about how Redwolves were native to the MidAtlantic for a long time, and how choosing Redwolves could tie to a ton of humanitarian causes. I don't see that part as a major rationale, but Washington Wolves with a tie in to the ferocity and pack nature would lead to a rebuild around the defense which will be the strength of the team for the next few years.

I will be shocked if it isn't some form of wolves.

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There's a loud local group of Skins' fans here in Louisville. I haven't attended a game watch with them for a while, but I doubt that much has changed with the loyalties of those in the group.

If you're gonna stick with them through the crap they've been the last couple of decades, why change now, when we're on the verge of truly being formidable?

I'd submit, it's easier to stick with your team in the age of fantasy football. While they may suck, you can get your winning-fix through your FF team.

As a city without a team, but surrounded by NFL markets, you can pretty much find local bars hosting a variety of NFL team fan bases here in Louisville.

The Bengals is probably the "local" team most rooted for, although the Colts have tried to claim Louisville as part of their territory. The Titans are about the same distance away to the south, but don't have much traction here.

For the odd fan bases, we have a size able Green Bay Packers fan base here (Paul Hornung's influence started that), as well as Cleveland Browns, Chicago Bears, and Minnesota Vikings (no idea why). And probably like a lot of cities, we have a very annoying Steelers contingent here ... and of course, those bastard Cowboys.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1285830]Wright said there will be connectivity with the past. Certainly keeping the colors is part of it. Honestly Washington Wolves just seems so obvious, despite the resistance among some here. One article made a point about how Redwolves were native to the MidAtlantic for a long time, and how choosing Redwolves could tie to a ton of humanitarian causes. I don't see that part as a major rationale, but Washington Wolves with a tie in to the ferocity and pack nature would lead to a rebuild around the defense which will be the strength of the team for the next few years.

I will be shocked if it isn't some form of wolves.[/quote]

They can keep the W and add a Wolf head to it and yeah kinda corny but it would grow on us.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1285830]Wright said there will be connectivity with the past. Certainly keeping the colors is part of it. Honestly Washington Wolves just seems so obvious, despite the resistance among some here. One article made a point about how Redwolves were native to the MidAtlantic for a long time, and how choosing Redwolves could tie to a ton of humanitarian causes. I don't see that part as a major rationale, but Washington Wolves with a tie in to the ferocity and pack nature would lead to a rebuild around the defense which will be the strength of the team for the next few years.

I will be shocked if it isn't some form of wolves.[/quote]

Does anyone think there is a chance of the "Washington Senators"?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1285830]Wright said there will be connectivity with the past. Certainly keeping the colors is part of it. Honestly Washington Wolves just seems so obvious, despite the resistance among some here. One article made a point about how Redwolves were native to the MidAtlantic for a long time, and how choosing Redwolves could tie to a ton of humanitarian causes. I don't see that part as a major rationale, but Washington Wolves with a tie in to the ferocity and pack nature would lead to a rebuild around the defense which will be the strength of the team for the next few years.

I will be shocked if it isn't some form of wolves.[/quote]

Maybe it's the obviousness that tells me it won't be the name. Or maybe I'm just tired of the people that hit you over the head with it all the time online like on Twitter. Either way I'm fine with it as long as it's well executed. Honestly some of the fan made logos are super cringe and look like some XFL shit.

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[quote=Giantone;1285833]Does anyone think there is a chance of the "Washington Senators"?[/quote]

No. When that name was floated for the baseball team that became the Nationals the city officials were very against it. They said since Washington DC has no voting representation in Congress they have no Senators and that shouldn't be the name. I doubt their stance has changed.

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[quote=Giantone;1285833]Does anyone think there is a chance of the "Washington Senators"?[/quote]

I doubt they would go political, I think the "Veterans" or "Vets" is possible

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1285836]I doubt they would go political, I think the "Veterans" or "Vets" is possible[/quote]

I could dig that, first name I dont instantly hate.

Schneed made a good point .. new name needs to be trademark protectable. I imagine Washington Veterans would be.

But .. there might be a group or affiliation already called that or closely to it .. im sure something could be massaged if thats the case.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1285836]I doubt they would go political, I think the "Veterans" or "Vets" is possible[/quote]

Trust me, there are a ton of people who would complain about that name.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1285842]Trust me, there are a ton of people who would complain about that name.[/quote]

Count me as one of them. Plus, I can already he the "stolen valor" complaints.

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[quote=irish;1285843]Count me as one of them. Plus, I can already he the "stolen valor" complaints.[/quote]

And the “glorifying baby killers and war criminals” complaints.

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This guy is winning me over to this ...

Only 25 left in nature? Regardless of whether or not this becomes a name, something needs to be done to protect these pups.

The Duran Duran shit is lame though.

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2021/7/12/22574658/why-washingtons-new-name-will-be-the-red-wolves[/url]

Earlier today, the Washington Football Team and team president Jason Wright dropped a video declaring what the team’s future name will not be: the Warriors.

Not surprisingly, after several focus groups - some centered on getting the specific input of Native Americans - the team recognized that any attempt to retain imagery or logos that harkened back to the team’s prior Native American connection were basically radioactive at this point. No feathers, no arrows, no cloaking “Redskins” as “Warriors.”

At this point, I think Wright and the team probably recognize that any attempt at linking the team’s identity to a group of people is probably fraught with sinkholes. It’s doubtful that even a team like the “Vikings” could be advanced in this day and age without running afoul of someone’s objection. No, better just to stick with animals in this climate.

Having watched the promotional video, my suspicion is, that’s exactly what Wright intends to do. There are three separate instances of “Red Wolves” logo imagery that appear in the video. Each one only appears for milliseconds in a short montage, but I’ve included screen shots of each instance below:

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These are presumably either multiple fan submissions, or multiple images from a single submission, that the team received over the course of the past year. There are also “Redspears,” “Arrows,” and “[Red] Hawks” submissions included in the video, but we know the first two are out because of the potential nexus with Native American iconography.

The third, “Red Hawks” is likely too close to “Seahawks,” not to mention the fact that there are already five different teams in the NFL named after birds (Eagles, Falcons, Ravens, Cardinals, and Seahawks). The NFL has four teams named after felines (Bengals, Lions, Jaguars, and Panthers), two named after horses (Colts, Broncos), Bears, Bills, Rams, and Dolphins, but no canines.

In fact, man’s best friend is notably absent from nearly all the top US pro sports leagues. There are only two dog-themed teams in the four major US sports: the Minnesota Timberwolves, created in 1989, and Arizona Coyotes initiated in 1996 (and formerly the Winnipeg Jets).

Was the inclusion of multiple Red Wolves graphics a simple coincidence or oversight? I tend to think not. A short piece like this was likely carefully edited, with close consideration given to the verbiage used as well as the imagery presented. My guess is, it’s a bit of a “Easter egg,” gently snuck in by the team to foreshadow a future announcement.

On his blog, and in an interview with the Post’s Nicki Jhabvala, Wright has laid out what the team - and fans - want from the new name and logo:

“There’s a commonality of who [fans] want us to be as an organization and what they want the name, logo, identity and ethos to represent,” Wright said in the interview. “It’s things like resilience, grit, tradition, a sense of fight, a sense of toughness, a sense of inclusiveness, of unity.”

Almost a year ago, to the day, I asked, “what would Washington’s next name be?” The three names I threw out were Warriors, Redwolves, and Red Tails. About the Redwolves, I wrote:

A recent up-and-comer is the “Washington Redwolves,” which satisfies the desire for an “R” name that will let the tem continue to play with “R” logos throughout its uniforms and designs, as well as keep alive the ever popular “HTTR” acronym. The Red Wolf (Canis rufus) has a historic range that covers the entire DMV, however the species is in peril, and was added to the endangered species list in 1967. It is one of the world’s most endangered wolves, but there’s the possibility that linking it to Washington’s football team could be just the profile builder the apex predator needs in order to make a comeback.

They’re social animals that hunt in packs of 5 to 8 - like our defensive front - and loyal creatures, pair bonding for life.

Even better, there is an opportunity for a regional charity tie-in to the name:

Red Wolf Recovery Coalition Partners - Five different organizations: The Animal Welfare Institute, the Center for Biological Diversity, Defenders of Wildlife, the Endangered Species Coalition, and the Wildlands Network are working, primarily in North Carolina, to help protect and restore wild red wolf populations. Estimates are that approximately 25 individuals remain in the wild at this point.

And, the game day promotional opportunities are nearly endless and amazing:

The Redwolves’ mascot, “Rufus,” could lead game day chants to Duran Duran’s classic “Hungry Like the Wolf,” timed carefully with critical defensive stands. It’s doubtful, however, that wolfpack members Chase Young and Montez Sweat will be satisfied feasting on rabbits and deer:

Against tremendous odds, red wolves have held on, resilient against the encroachments of human civilization creating fragmentation of their habitat. At this point though, they are the ultimate “underdogs,” their last remaining vestiges at risk without a miraculous intervention.

By naming Washington’s football team the “Red Wolves,” Wright and the Snyders immediately shine a light on the endangered animal’s dire situation, and simultaneously position themselves to be instrumental in its eventual recovery by catalyzing charitable efforts to protect habitat and re-introduce wolves into the wild.

What could be more unifying than the imagery of a wolfpack? Contrasted with the solitary predators listed above, canines depend on their cohorts to survive. But those individuals form a cohesive whole, working in concert. And, virtually everyone loves dogs. Dogs are the most popular pets in the US, with over 30% of Maryland households and 35% of Virginia households possessing at least one. In West Virginia, nearly 50% of households have dogs.

Finally, the retention of “Red” in the team name keeps a non-offensive shout back to the team’s past traditions. It is different, but in some respect, the same, bridging this tumultuous time in the team’s history and creating an important continuity.

At this point, I’m putting all my chips in on Red Wolves. How about you?

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[quote=MTK;1285814]Losing Washington might suck more than Redskins.[/quote]
No it would suck but not as much as letting the ignorant win which is what happened with losing the Redskins.

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[quote=MTK;1285834]Maybe it's the obviousness that tells me it won't be the name. Or maybe I'm just tired of the people that hit you over the head with it all the time online like on Twitter. Either way I'm fine with it as long as it's well executed. Honestly [B]some of the fan made logos are super cringe[/B] and look like some XFL shit.[/quote]

Key word being "fan made" here. Don't you think a multi billions company can make a decent NFL looking like logo with a freakin Wolf ? Sure can't be harder than with a dolphin or a freakin seagull...

Also the numerous hints to a wolf connected name in yesterday's video couldn't be 100% fortunate, those are very carefully made.

And no, I am not a fan of this logo. Just confident they can do better than that.

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Here are all the logos shown in yesterday's video. First 5 pics from 1st second, the 6th at 32sec, right when Jason Wright is talking about the necessity of a clean break.
We know Redspears and Arrows are out for the same reason Warriors was ruled out: NA imagery.

Bird not nearly as popular as Wolves involving options, and we have birds in the division already.
Also notice how all look hand made except Wolves.

Not trying to play Da Vinci Code here, nor say names not in this twitter vid are not an option. But you have to at least think Wolves/Redwolves is near the top of their short list.
Why drop so many hints otherwise ?

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To make it look like they actually care about the fans input... They know Redwolves was the most popular for some reason... So its to please that large group

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So should we believe arrows is being seriously considered too?

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1285860]To make it look like they actually care about the fans input... They know Redwolves was the most popular for some reason... So its to please that large group[/QUOTE]I [sarc]like[/sarc] how you say for some reason, as if to minimize or make it seem odd.

Wolves are wildly popular as animals go. The gray wolf is the 9th most popular wild animal.
Wolves are symbols of ferocity, loyalty to the pack, and strength. Why would that be a bad symbol for a football team?

Wolves are natural adversaries of eagles, bears, even cowboys. And an image a Wolfpack taking down a giant would morph nicely into a defensive line sacking a qb.

As for red wolves at least they are a real creature that was indigenous here, and the tie to burgundy and gold is fairly obvious.

For me I have alot more trouble understanding the resistance to washington wolves (or redwolves)

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[QUOTE=MTK;1285863]So should we believe arrows is being seriously considered too?[/QUOTE]No the writer specifically said that while other images were shown they all could easily be discounted so the wolves logo was the one placed repeatedly and is not in an already excluded category such as direct native American reference.

Marketing placement like that is subtle, but definitely used to make points with an audience.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1285864]I [sarc]like[/sarc] how you say for some reason, as if to minimize or make it seem odd.

Wolves are wildly popular as animals go. The gray wolf is the 9th most popular wild animal.
Wolves are symbols of ferocity, loyalty to the pack, and strength. Why would that be a bad symbol for a football team?

Wolves are natural adversaries of eagles, bears, even cowboys. And an image a Wolfpack taking down a giant would morph nicely into a defensive line sacking a qb.

As for red wolves at least they are a real creature that was indigenous here, and the tie to burgundy and gold is fairly obvious.

For me I have alot more trouble understanding the resistance to washington wolves (or redwolves)

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While I prefer WFT or some form of that, I think Wolves is the best of all the other names out there.

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I dunno, wolves are strongly tied to Native American culture as a symbol of courage, strength and loyalty. Might have to skip this one too.

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[quote=MTK;1285867]I dunno, wolves are strongly tied to Native American culture as a symbol of courage, strength and loyalty. Might have to skip this one too.[/quote]

Wolves are a strong symbol in many cultures. It will be ok I think. I actually hope they use it.

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our new merch can't wait

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[QUOTE=MTK;1285867]I dunno, wolves are strongly tied to Native American culture as a symbol of courage, strength and loyalty. Might haves to skip this one too.[/QUOTE]They do have a tie-in and that is where redwolves might have an advantage over wolves. The gray wolf definitely has some strong NA culture. I don't think redwolves have that same link at all.

That said, wolves definitely have more separation from NA culture than arrows or warriors.

I can't wait till training camp so this discussion can take a back seat. But I also wish they would just announce the decision and be done with it...

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[QUOTE=MTK;1285870]our new merch can't wait

[IMG]https://i.redd.it/vmxhlv1tb9d21.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]Add a W with blood dripping down it to the moon, and not have a dorky guy wearing the shirt and the second one wouldn't look bad.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1285871]They do have a tie-in and that is where redwolves might have an advantage over wolves. The gray wolf definitely has some strong NA culture. I don't think redwolves have that same link at all.

That said, wolves definitely have more separation from NA culture than arrows or warriors.

I can't wait till training camp so this discussion can take a back seat. But I also wish they would just announce the decision and be done with it...

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Anything with red in it will likely be avoided considering we've already tiptoed away from warriors. I'm just tired of all this (hyper) sensitivity. I was just kidding about avoiding wolves due to it being tied to NA's but I'm sure someone out there will have their panties in a bunch over it.

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[quote=MTK;1285870]our new merch can't wait

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So cringe , it legit seems like HS football team. I'm sure we would get used to it but the thought of howling at games is so bad.