Re: Trump 2.0 Administration Golden Years
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1377413]I mean we have learned since third grade in civics class that the two parties have to compromise to pass a bill right? I am sure that a bill can be negotiated that would get the handful of senators needed to pass a bill. The easiest thing would be for Johnson to cut the spending in everything already in the bill and agree to ACA subsidies. A real simple, cheap and ernest compromise. Both parties unhappy but getting something they want.[/quote]

They dont' even need to compromise. All the Senate has to do is to nuke the filibuster and pass the legislation THEY want. That's how it should be. They nuked the filibuster for SCOTUS judges and for allowing mass appointments from Trump. They can change it for this.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1377441]It's not that simple. The Republicans control the Senate and the rules of the Seanate. They changed to rules several times for Trump's appointments and for SCOTUS judges. They could change the rules for this too, but they want to use this as an excuse to blame Dems even though they control ALL the power.

Check out the tweet that Raskin highlighted from Jim Jordan in 2021 and the Dems controlled the House/Senate/WH.

[url]https://x.com/RepRaskin/status/1984020607361847388[/url]


What was that you said? Cope harder.[/quote]


The filibuster is in place as it’s been for years, that’s how the Democrats have shut down the government. The Filibuster is a check against the majority, that is a good thing.

It’s really that simple.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1377442]They dont' even need to compromise. All the Senate has to do is to nuke the filibuster and pass the legislation THEY want. That's how it should be. They nuked the filibuster for SCOTUS judges and for allowing mass appointments from Trump. They can change it for this.[/quote]

Come on now it was the Dems that nuked the filibuster on judges and appointees, McConnel warned them that they were making a massive mistake that would bite them sooner that they thought. And it did bite them less them less than 14 months later when the GOP added the SC nominees to the filibuster exclusion. Fortunately, the filibuster on legislation was saved by Sinema who learned the lesson the rest of her follow party members failed to learn, and preserved the filibuster for legislative actions. The Dems reward for her was to be vilified and discarded by the Dems. As bad as MAGA has been can you imagine if the filibuster was not in place what MAGA would do???

My question is have the rest of the Dems learned not to screw around with the filibuster or are they still going to kill it when they are back in power?

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[quote=Chico23231;1377447]The filibuster is in place as it’s been for years, that’s how the Democrats have shut down the government. The Filibuster is a check against the majority, that is a good thing.

It’s really that simple.[/quote]

Bud, the 60 vote threshold for cloture came about in 1975. This isn't some grand historic rule that the forefathers instituted. The filibuster has changed (along with SCOTUS numbers) throughout the years.

It's NOT a good thing. It allows the Dems and the Republicans to use this shit to blame the other side why shit can't get done. "We would pass all this nice legislation but these meanies (insert D/R) won't assist us!"

Bottom line. Those that control the power should pass the legislation THEY want, not what the minority party wants. Now if the other party controls the other branch (House/WH) then obviously compromises have to happen.

One more thing, this 60 vote nonsense also excuses the voters for their shitty choices in elections. They should feel the consequences of their votes. I'm in favor of getting rid of the filibuster whether the Dems or the Republicans control it.

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[quote=nonniey;1377462]Come on now it was the Dems that nuked the filibuster on judges and appointees, McConnel warned them that they were making a massive mistake that would bite them sooner that they thought. And it did bite them less them less than 14 months later when the GOP added the SC nominees to the filibuster exclusion. Fortunately, the filibuster on legislation was saved by Sinema who learned the lesson the rest of her follow party members failed to learn, and preserved the filibuster for legislative actions. The Dems reward for her was to be vilified and discarded by the Dems. As bad as MAGA has been can you imagine if the filibuster was not in place what MAGA would do???

My question is have the rest of the Dems learned not to screw around with the filibuster or are they still going to kill it when they are back in power?[/quote]

You are leaving some details and context out here. The Dems removed the filibuster on lower court judges because Mitch McConnell was essentially grinding the appointments for Obama judges to a halt. Reid removed it so these appointments could be passed. Whether right or wrong is dependent on what side you are defending. However, Mitch took it a step further once they got in control with a (R) president and removed the filibuster on SCOTUS judges, which personally I'm fine with.

Spoiler Alert: Mitch would have done this regardless if Reid removed it on the lower courts or not. Mitch has only cared about stacking the courts in (R) favor. He thinks that's going to be his legacy, but it most certainly is not.

Bottom line. A 60 vote filibuster favors the Republicans and not the Democrats. Why you ask? Tell me what transformative legislation has the Republicans tried to pass in the past 30 years?

Infrastructure? Nope.
Gun Safety? Nope.
Health Care? Nope.
Reproductive Rights? Nope.
Immigration Reform? Nope.



The ONLY thing Republicans care about nowadays is giving rich people tax cuts and they don't need 60 votes for that. They do that through reconciliation. They used this for the Big Beautiful Bill, which is going to cut medicare and other benefits.

[url]https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/trump-tax-cuts-2025-budget-reconciliation/[/url]


This is why they want it kept around. Dems should end it the first chance they get. Hopefully Trump will push the Senate into removing the filibuster. It would be the gift Dems have needed in a long ass time.

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I just wish white liberals had the honesty to come out and say we hate Jesus and the country, and we want to fundamentally change the country. You don't want tweaks, improvements, etc. You want drastic changes to what created the best country this world has ever seen.

Alas, white liberals are simply incapable of being honest about anything. So here we are.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1377767]I just wish white liberals had the honesty to come out and say we hate Jesus and the country, and we want to fundamentally change it. You don't want tweaks, improvements, etc. You want drastic changes to what created the best country this world has ever seen.

Alas, white liberals are simply incapable of being honest about anything. So here we are.[/quote]

Unfortunately, it looks like MAGA also hates the country and wants to fundamentally change it. (Note I said also). We are so screwed.

Re: Trump 2.0 Administration Golden Years
 

[quote=nonniey;1377768]Unfortunately, it looks like MAGA also hates the country and wants to fundamentally change it. ([B]Note I said also[/B]). We are so screwed.[/quote]

I can't say we agree too much or disagree too much. Almost feels like every subject matter is within % points. We would probably have fantastic conversations in person.

Re: Trump 2.0 Administration Golden Years
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1377767]I just wish white liberals had the honesty to come out and say we hate Jesus and the country, and we want to fundamentally change the country. You don't want tweaks, improvements, etc. You want drastic changes to what created the best country this world has ever seen.

Alas, white liberals are simply incapable of being honest about anything. So here we are.[/quote]

I honestly have zero idea what you’re talking about with hating Jesus and the country, like wtf does that even mean and who’s out there saying fuck Jesus and the US?

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[quote=MTK;1377771]I honestly have zero idea what you’re talking about with hating Jesus and the country, like wtf does that even mean and who’s out there saying fuck Jesus and the US?[/quote]

You know exactly what I'm talking about. I don't buy your ignorance, no matter how honest you say you're being.

Re: Trump 2.0 Administration Golden Years
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1377767]I just wish white liberals had the honesty to come out and say we hate Jesus and the country, and we want to fundamentally change the country. You don't want tweaks, improvements, etc. You want drastic changes to what created the best country this world has ever seen.

Alas, white liberals are simply incapable of being honest about anything. So here we are.[/quote]


Wait what? I don't consider myself a liberal, but what is this nonsense?

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[quote=nonniey;1377768]Unfortunately, it looks like MAGA also hates the country and wants to fundamentally change it. (Note I said also). We are so screwed.[/quote]


You got the idiots on the far left and idiots on the far right. The problem is the media highlights all the dipshits for rage factor. Rage/Anger/Fear sells. The biggest voting block in America are Independents. Go us!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1377772]You know exactly what I'm talking about. I don't buy your ignorance, no matter how honest you say you're being.[/quote]

Well they hate Jews too

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1377772]You know exactly what I'm talking about. I don't buy your ignorance, no matter how honest you say you're being.[/quote]

I honestly have no clue, spell it out.

Who are all these Jesus and Murica haters?

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Despite the fact conservatives are in power and are literally fundamentally changing the country from the top down (project 25), somehow white liberals that hate Jesus and America are the problem?

Where can I get some of those crazy pills?