Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

If by a better grasp you mean throwing the ball short of first downs on most third downs then this offense is doomed from the start.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=LadyT]What results? Ramsey was given, literally, less than half a game! This move by Gibbs at this point in the season is nothing but a joke.[/QUOTE]


No, I disagree.....last year how he left Brunell in for several miserable games was a joke (see, I'm disagreeing with the infallible Gibbs:), to leave an inadequate Ramsey in for another two or three games would have been a joke.

Yes, I said it..."inadequate"! And don't give me this, "he was only in for three drives and Gibbs benched him" stuff.

BTW, I still think Ramsey will prove to be very solid NFL QB, unfortunately it won't be here in Washington. I like his chances in Miami or Tampa or Cleveland.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=LadyT]What results? Ramsey was given, literally, less than half a game! This move by Gibbs at this point in the season is nothing but a joke.[/QUOTE]


Do you really think Gibbs based his decision soley on what Ramsey did against the Bears??

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

Why does everyone write off last season in their judgement of Brunell? I really need to know what it was? Because he was hurt? He got in hurt in Jacksonville, too. That's why they got rid of him! For a younger, stronger armed quarterback.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

Well we know what Gibbs means when he says who his starting Qb is.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=LadyT]What results? Ramsey was given, literally, less than half a game! This move by Gibbs at this point in the season is nothing but a joke.[/QUOTE]


LT, Gibbs didn't just look at the film from the Chicago game and decided to bench Ramsey....come on.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Do you really think Gibbs based his decision soley on what Ramsey did against the Bears??[/QUOTE]


I thought this thread would be full of "where should we trade Ramsey" talk. If Gibbs is consistent then Ramsey is on his way out of town, this is the 2nd time Ramsey has asked to be traded so clearly the guy wants out. I say ship him out and try to recoup the first round pick we traded for Campbell, we should hopefully be able to get a 2nd round pick.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Do you really think Gibbs based his decision soley on what Ramsey did against the Bears??[/QUOTE]

No, I don't. But then, let me turn your question around.

On what basis does Gibbs believe Brunell is the man? Based on his 8 horrible games of last year, based on his few quarters of playing time in this year's pre-season?

What, exactly, has Brunell done since coming here to earn the starting job?

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]What makes you think Ramsey gave us a better chance? Is this just a feeling you have?[/QUOTE]

2004

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Well Gibbs has a feeling it's Brunell, somehow I trust his feelings more than ours.[/QUOTE]

like in 2004?

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Personally I'm willing to give a [u]healthy[/u] Brunell a 2nd chance. A 2nd chance in an improved offense, with a QB that looks to have a better grasp on the offense.[/QUOTE]

no one will answer this: if Brunell was indeed visibly hurt, why would Gibbs keep playing him and losing game after game after game when he had a healthy young QB with experience sitting next to him? who started winning games once he was finally put in? *this* is why we're allowed to question Gibbs in the first couple years of his comeback. you accuse people of being emotionally tied to people, but why doesn't that apply to coaches?

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

In rethinking everything that's been said, I've come to a very scary conclusion.

Gibbs obviously doesn't think Ramsey is the QB to get the job done. But the comments he made at yesterday's PR also indicates he doesn't necessarily see MB as the man either. Gibbs said something to the effect that he's still waiting for someone to take over as QB - not exactly a ringing endorsement of MB. In fact this move almost smacks of desperation - something that I find very troubling so early in the season.

Since the rookie is obviously not ready to take on the starting role - that leaves us with a whole lot of nothing at the most important position on the team.

An earlier poster said something to the effect that this whole scenario has them scared. Me, too.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

Lady T sorry to correct you but it was atleast 9 or 10 games. :) I agree with your remarks though for the most part!!!!

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=jdlea]If by a better grasp you mean throwing the ball short of first downs on most third downs then this offense is doomed from the start.[/QUOTE]

Dude, you're just tossing stuff out there to see if it sticks.

Brunell converted 3 out of 6 on 3rd downs throwing. He didn't convert on 3rd and 1 with a sneak, but he converted on 4th down with a sneak.

All in all he was was personally responsible for converting 4 out of 8 3rd and 4th down chances.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

[QUOTE=RedskinRat]I agree with Terry Bradshaw.....[url="http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/4862814"]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/4862814[/url]

As posted in the NEWS WIRE section, courtesy of 'crlesh'.[/QUOTE]

That's a great point Terry outlines... Campbell can't do any worse.

Brunell throws the fade much better then Ramsey, plus mobility = week 2 starter.

:dallas:

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

Coach Gibbs, his staff are continually assessing all aspects of the game.

I doubt whether they arbitrarily change QB's because someone has a 'feeling'. How would you feel if it turns out that the coaching staff have identified something in Ramsey's decision making, mechanics or learning curve that make him unable to do what they ask?

I trust the call being made. I don't believe we have all the information and I think that Coach Gibbs may even be trying to save Ramsey public humiliation. No one would question Parcells if he yanked a QB.

Re: Ramsey wants to be traded
 

it's the turn overs that's all, gibbs like's him but too many turn overs. our margin for error is still pretty small,gibbs first time around was about a team concept that stressed sound football with out penalties and turnovers.it's same now. he warned everyone, cut down on the mistakes . he didn't and was pulled.
he also takes unneccesary loses instead of throwing the ball away.after all that i really like him,but i admit he's his own worst enemy