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[quote=Lotus;1054625]I gotta disagree Tripp. We finished 31st in defense in 2013 - are there really 30 other teams with more talent on defense than us? Same argument goes for 2012, etc.

While we need talent, especially in the secondary, IMO the talent argument is quite limited.[/quote]31st in which ranking?

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

I think with Shanny gone and both Haz and Kyle were still around, much easier to make the arguement for Kyle to stay. The same arguement of special teams applys to both.

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

[quote=GTripp0012;1054628]31st in which ranking?[/quote]

points allowed

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

So with the addition of talent coming with cap freedom, draft and Shanny's meddling, and better performing special teams(cant be worse than last year) we should expect a defense ranking of ?....at least top 15 right?

I think we are really kidding ourselves

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

FO has them at 22nd, about 4% below average

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS[/url]

Be skeptical of anything that has them ranked bottom five, as that stat probably isn't adjusting for opponent.

Points allowed includes the worst special teams in the league in there when it's counts how many points this team allowed. That's what I'm saying: if you lump in the special teams with anything, this year's Redskins team becomes historically bad.

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

[quote=Chico23231;1054632]So with the addition of talent coming with cap freedom, draft and Shanny's meddling, and better performing special teams(cant be worse than last year) we should expect a defense ranking of ?....at least top 15 right?[/quote]Knowing nothing about the offseason they can have, my expectation would be 22nd-ish. Right about the same spot.

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Bottom line is we don't have one elite player on defense. Aldon Smith walks right out of some rehab joint and abuses Trent Williams. We don't have that player.

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

[quote=GTripp0012;1054633]FO has them at 22nd, about 4% below average

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2013 DEFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS[/url]

Be skeptical of anything that has them ranked bottom five, as that stat probably isn't adjusting for opponent.[/quote]

You watch the Minnesota game? You watch the KC game? Hell, even the Chicago game we won?

Folks, 3-13 tied for worst record in the history of the Skins, heads roll

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

[quote=Chico23231;1054636]You watch the Minnesota game? You watch the KC game? Hell, even the Chicago game we won?

Folks, 3-13 tied for worst record in the history of the Skins, heads roll[/quote]I did not watch the KC game. Knew at that point that nothing would be changing under Mike Shanahan.

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1054635]Bottom line is we don't have one elite player on defense. Aldon Smith walks right out of some rehab joint and abuses Trent Williams. We don't have that player.[/quote]

Your gonna be really pissed if Orakpo leaves

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

[quote=GTripp0012;1054638]I did not watch the KC game. Knew at that point that nothing would be changing under Mike Shanahan.[/quote]

Packers and first Eagles game? just wow on those performances...I can keep going...Defense came out and played terrible at least 8 games of the season. I mean they played like the worse defense in the league half the games of the season

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[quote=HailGreen28;1054604](Continuing the song)
Can't get Dalton to learn,
INTs aren't good will,
Someday we might win,
but with there two pro'lly never will.

Jay Gruden's team won,
on the strength of their D.
Why we take Gruden and Haslett,
seems wrong based on their history.

Just two average C's,
never did that much good.
Why didn't we get a Seahawks coach
or Whisenhunt, I think we should.

YeeeeeHaaaaaaaW!
[IMG]http://www.blueprintsys.com/images/uploads/car.jpg[/IMG]

(Here's hoping the Skins prove me wrong.)[/quote]

What do you get out of being so negative?

Re: Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins
 

[quote=Chico23231;1054622]DC we need to consider right now:

1.Gregg Williams
2.Ray Horton
3.Wide Phillips
4.Todd Bowles (if somehow he wanted to come to Washington)[/quote]

My sources tell me (and when I say source, I mean I heard it on the radio) they're considering bumping Haz up to assistant head coach and bumping Morris up to DC.

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[quote=Chico23231;1054620]that may work on a novice fan

Points allowed rank:

2013: 31st, .01 away from worst in the league

2012: 28

2011: 13

2010: 21

Its strange how the more Haz/Shanny guys turned over on the roster, the more they struggled. Sorry folks, dont insult me by listing crap stats and then somehow trying to re write history saying Defense wasnt an issue. Haz is not a not a good DC, he is just as responsible for the skins record as Shanny. This isnt a case where the defense showed up and the offense never did. Please dont feed me that bullshit.[/quote]

Special teams and the offense also contribute to points allowed.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1054584]They're grown men, not a middle school team. It's not like the guy is Rutger's Mike Rice. If this is his style, so be it, just get out there and execute.[/quote]

I was a big fan of Bobby Knight. Sure choking kids and throwing chairs isn't conventional, but you can't deny his passion and he knows how to motivate a team to play for him, even if it's out of fear.

I'd take a coach who throws Gatorade jugs at the refs when they hand Dallas and the Giants points with horrible calls. Someone needs to care about winning around here. :D


Hey, lets bring back Gregg Williams as DC.