Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=kct1975;1117279]I cannot personal speak for KI Skins Fan, but my understanding is that he is proving that Dan Synder likes to control everything.

Dan's controlling nature and his love for RG3 are the reasons why I and several other on this site believe that no matter what RG3 may do wrong or KC/Colt do right, the starting Quarterback on September 13 will be RG3.

Personally I just wish that Dan Synder would allow his own coaches to chose the Quarterback that can best run the Offense, and best run the team.

Please understand that I am seriously hoping that RG3 can turn things around, as he is the most athletic of the Quarterbacks that we have, but right now he doesn't look confident and he doesn't like a professional quarterback.

Unless RG3 looks a whole lot better in the last two preseason games, right now I would feel a lot more comfortable seeing either Colt McCoy or Kirk Cousins as the starting Quarterback.[/quote]

You have a good post here. All factual what you just said. You have to keep in mind that back in 2008, prior to Jim Zorn being hired, Jim Fassel was basically like a shoe-in for the HC job. However, if you listen to Fassel and don't think he's got an axe to grind for not getting the job, he has claimed several times that he was asked to be HC, at the point that all of his other coaches / assistants were already hired. He was also not given any autonomy on players / personnel, and he says basically they wanted him to coach the team even though all the decisions were being made for him.

He allegedly turned it down when he learned that he would basically have no input on players / etc, and that is at the point that Jim Zorn was promoted to HC, as he had already been hired to be Fassel's OC. To me, Fassel has always came off as respectable and not an ego guy, so i think he is telling the truth. And if you revisit the timeline, it all makes sense.

So basically to sum up - probably 90% certainty that Dan Snyder is still telling "his guys" - to make it known who plays and who doesn't play, etc...

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Schneed10;1117321]It's hard for us Skins fans to face this one hard truth: we don't have a quarterback.

So all the consternation over who starts, I don't think it really matters too much. I can't blame Snyder for saying if healthy RG3 has to start. None of the other QBs have stepped forward in a way that screams that they're obviously better than RG3. If we're going to be competitive it's on the rest of the team.

So McLoughan marches forward with building up the rest of the team, and probably knowing that QB is high on his shopping list next season.

Tough reality to swallow, but that's it.[/quote]

I can't agree with you that we don't have a QB. Not yet, anyway. In the little I've seen of Kirk this year, he looks improved. Until he gets another shot, I'm not ready to write him off.

As for Scot marching forward building the rest of the team, we have a good man there. Furthermore, I clearly recall Mike Shanahan saying that Snyder doesn't care about any position on the team except QB, so Scot should have free rein in building most of the team. But will Snyder once again insert himself into the process of selecting any first round QB we might draft? I just can't envision Snyder allowing Scot to make that decision on his own.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Schneed10;1117321]It's hard for us Skins fans to face this one hard truth: we don't have a quarterback.

So all the consternation over who starts, I don't think it really matters too much. I can't blame Snyder for saying if healthy RG3 has to start. None of the other QBs have stepped forward in a way that screams that they're obviously better than RG3. If we're going to be competitive it's on the rest of the team.

So McLoughan marches forward with building up the rest of the team, and probably knowing that QB is high on his shopping list next season.

Tough reality to swallow, but that's it.[/quote]

This. It's a very real possibility we wipe the slate clean at QB next year and start over.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Mattyk;1117310]As long as Scott is on board that's all I care about. It would be hard to believe he would have signed on otherwise.[/quote]

I believe Scott was on board with it when he was hired,but now after watching VY2 in practice and in these first 2 preseason games and seeing he doesnt look any different,I suspect now he is no longer on board but has put himself in the position of having to stay on board and go down with the ship.We will see how it pans out.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

I know the mob doesn't want to hear it but you can't pull the plug on Griffin this early. Unless he can't play due to injury you have to give him a real shot and see how things play out into the season. This is the spot we're in... buckle up.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

It's rough sledding, but I'm good with it............

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

The problem is if you keep Griffin in there, and he's still struggles, the players start bitching and Gruden will lose the locker room. We have emotional wr's as it is. This almost happened to Gibbs back in 87 with Doug and Jay.

Still have to remember it's pre season. But on some plays it looked like the same old Griffin.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1117335]I know the mob doesn't want to hear it but you can't pull the plug on Griffin this early. Unless he can't play due to injury you have to give him a real shot and see how things play out into the season. This is the spot we're in... buckle up.[/QUOTE]


I halfway agree with this.I believe you can pull Griff,theres no open competition for the job and there needs to be.I agree with you that they will not pull the plug unless he's injured or his play and our record is so bad that they are finally convinced he's not going to turn it around.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1117319]Where do you get the impression from that I'm adamant he can be developed into a pocket passer?[/quote]

Well u would hate it rg3 left so I would assume u think he can be an nfl qb

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

Griffin may very well be done as the starting QB here sooner rather then later. And personally I think its a certainty at some point.

[B][SIZE="4"]BUT[/SIZE][/B]its not going (knowing this staff 'should not' is probably more accurate) to stem from his play in the Lions game. Using the Lions game as referendum on Griffin is the popular groupthink overreaction. But to me it appears to be based more on perception/emotion more then actual football. The general rush from some fans/media to point to this "game" as proof of their negative belief is imo clearly out of balance.

I mean seriously, a referendum after 5 pass attempts? Never mind the game situations ([url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/washington-redskins/0ap3000000514192/Kurt-Warner-diagnoses-why-RGIII-is-struggling]Kurt Warner diagnoses why Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III is struggling - NFL Videos[/url]) but 5 passes and Griffin is done? C'mon, lets be serious.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=Schneed10;1117321]It's hard for us Skins fans to face this one hard truth: we don't have a quarterback....Tough reality to swallow, but that's it.[/quote]It might be hard for some. And to be clear its not over yet, the whole fanbase is trying to hit that inside straight baby! But anyone who looks at the big picture should have been prepared for the distinct possibility that we don't have QB.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[QUOTE=rocnrik;1117288]..IF YOU WERE THE HEAD COACH AND YOUR FUTURE WAS RIDING ON IT ..WHO WOULD YOU GO WITH AT QB??..lets here it ..[/QUOTE]Good question.

I have to answer the question 2 different ways. One as HC Jay Gruden and another as Generic HC.

If I were [I][B][U]Jay[/U][/B][/I] I would start Kirk Cousins or Colt McCoy. And I wouldn't have waited for this training camp. I would have made my intentions clear prior to this offseason. I believe right or wrong any organization needs to be of 1 accord, 1 vision. And to that end I would have spoken to Scott, Bruce and Dan and told them "Look, you hired because of the offense I ran in Cinci. I think Kirk/Colt and the weapons we have we can have a very good offense. I thought Robert could be a fit in the offense I intend to run but I was wrong*; with Robert I cannot run my offense. But we have a chance here to move forward and have a very successful offense with Kirk/Colt."

Now if I was the HC I would start Griffin. 100%. But I would have taken a completely different approach then Jay and this franchise took. We would not be running a West Coast Offense variant. We would be in year 2 of a [B][I][U]spread[/U][/I][/B] zone read offense.

*I don't believe Jay every really gave it a chance but that is beside the point

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

[quote=30gut;1117341]Griffin may very well be done as the starting QB here sooner rather then later. And personally I think its a certainty at some point.

[B][SIZE="4"]BUT[/SIZE][/B]its not going (knowing this staff 'should not' is probably more accurate) to stem from his play in the Lions game. [B]Using the Lions game as referendum on Griffin is the popular groupthink overreaction. But to me it appears to be based more on perception/emotion more then actual football. The general rush from some fans/media to point to this "game" as proof of their negative belief is imo clearly out of balance.[/B]

I mean seriously, a referendum after 5 pass attempts? Never mind the game situations ([url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/washington-redskins/0ap3000000514192/Kurt-Warner-diagnoses-why-RGIII-is-struggling]Kurt Warner diagnoses why Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III is struggling - NFL Videos[/url]) but 5 passes and Griffin is done? C'mon, lets be serious.[/quote]

Good point.

It's definitely knee-jerk time right now. I still say the Detroit game was mostly on the OL and it's hard to take much real value from it. Yes the fumbles are 100% on him, but when you're getting hit repeatedly in 3 seconds or less, that's the OL's problem.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

After only 9 career NFL starts for KC, I am not ready to say either RG3 or start over with all new QB'S. Is that what you are saying? Frankly I have seen enough of RG3, he is not going to be a pro style offense QB. It is time to give a long look at KC worh the starters.

Re: Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015
 

the problem is that the OL vs the lions is probably close to what the OL will be vs the dolphiins (from a performance perspective). I'm pretty sure the org isn't going to pull him before game 4 barring injury, but i much rather we pull griffin for performance, since that'll give us 16mill more to work with next year.

maybe he still turns it around, but i haven't seen any improvement yet. he has on okay OL, and great rb/wrs. I'd like to see more production and less terrible decisions (like trying to scramble on 3rd and 16 near your own goal line).