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Giants? :lol:





You're on a roll today. Replace with Packers, Saints and Falcons and you'd be right. Giants have a lot of holes, plus injury issues (Steve Smith), the Osi issue that could linger all season and of course, their annual problem of turning against Coughlin and choking the last month of the season away. It's been a real problem for many years.

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[quote=GTripp0012;819491]Packers. Saints. Giants. The class of the NFC this year.

The Eagles have moved themselves into the discussion with a strong free agency period. And, like the Saints, they should be at this level for two or three years. So they very easily could win the SB with this core. Maybe not this year, but they'll be in it for awhile.

But yeah, a one win increase over last year is probably a ceiling for that team. And that's only obtainable because the NFC West is on the schedule. I see this team doing worse than 4-2 in the division this year.

9-7 would be somewhere around my expectation level for them. But they will make the playoffs this year.[/quote]



Giants? I dont see it, they have ELI still

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[quote=Monkeydad;819494]^

Giants? :lol:





You're on a roll today. Replace with Packers, Saints and Falcons and you'd be right. Giants have a lot of holes, plus injury issues (Steve Smith), the Osi issue that could linger all season and of course, their annual problem of turning against Coughlin and choking the last month of the season away. It's been a real problem for many years.[/quote]

Giants always tend to sneak out of nowhere (like the year they won the SB). They always seem to start on a losing streak or have a losing record the first couple of games, and then they turn it on and make the playoffs. I know at least in one of these situations, we've been the team they beat that sparks their come back :(

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Even with Watkins and Harris, Philly still has some problems on the OL. After losing Stewart Bradley their linebacker corps is not the best, either.

The Eagles will be good but I'm not going overboard.

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I think some are underestimating what 3 great CB's and a great defensive coaching staff can do, and Philly traditionally has a great defensive coaching staff. Their offense does not have to be great every game for them to win games.
It will be difficult to throw on them and they will load up the box and blitz all day.
Yes they have spent large in FA, but one thing that kind of goes unnoticed in the criticism of Philly is they had 11 draft picks this year thanks to smart trades (cough)....and they picked up another 2nd rounder for next year for Kolb. They have 10 draft picks in 2012.
When we (Redskins) went nuts in FA in the past we also combined it with giving away valuable Draft picks for more veterans. Phiily is not doing that, in fact they are adding more and more picks for the future.
Philly is not giving away their future to get the players.

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[quote=Lotus;819514]Even with Watkins and Harris, Philly still has some problems on the OL. After losing Stewart Bradley their linebacker corps is not the best, either.

The Eagles will be good but I'm not going overboard.[/quote]

Thats the weakness for the Eagles and the only reason the Redskins have a chance against them. Granted a great D-Line can do many things for you but if the linebackers can't find the ball carriers you can run on people all day. With the Eagles though the question will be if you can keep the game close enough where you can continue running the ball rather then play into their hands on defense by trying to throw against their pass rush and secondary.

The O-Line, yeah it's a bit of a problem but it's not nearly as bad as people think. Theres not a single guy that I now look at up front and say "oh thats a weakness. No one is worse then solid in their projected starting 5 of Peters-Herremans-McGlynn-Watkins-Harris. Sure Peters might be overrated but thats it. Actually I say with the Harris signing they've all but fixed the starting front 5 and if Justice is a backup thats not a bad deal.

Also on the chemistry front I don't think they've really added that many players where chemistry is a concern. We know NA is going to play elite shutdown football. Young is a backup, Brown is a backup, Babin is a temporary starter whos being paired with his old line coach, Jenkins can get up to speed by the end of camp, DRC is a nickel right now. Harris is the only real concern and that might only hurt them for a week or two and even then they have Justice to back him up.

Now I don't know how they're going to do in the playoffs and a lot of that will depend on Vick continuing to grow as a passer, but as far as the regular season is concerned I'm confident they'll dominate.

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I'm glad that one of the Eagles have annoited themselves to be the Heat of the NFL.

To literary meet that expectation with the skill-level of Lebron and Wade, 9 (two-fifths of the Heat starters) defensive/offensive starters need to be All-Pro at their positions. And considering Bosh, 4 (one-fifth of the Heat starters) other defensive/offensive starters need to be at the Pro-Bowl level.

If you're keeping count that's 9 All-Pro starters and 4 Pro-Bowlers. If the Eagles have an equivalent of that right now, then I guess for the other 31 NFL teams, it might be better off that the lockout is reinstated.

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[quote=Monkeydad;819494]^

Giants? :lol:





You're on a roll today. Replace with Packers, Saints and Falcons and you'd be right. Giants have a lot of holes, plus injury issues (Steve Smith), the Osi issue that could linger all season and of course, their annual problem of turning against Coughlin and choking the last month of the season away. It's been a real problem for many years.[/quote]The Falcons? For realz? You can't be serious.

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[quote=Defensewins;819518]I think some are underestimating what 3 great CB's and a great defensive coaching staff can do, and [B]Philly traditionally has a great defensive coaching staff.[/B] Their offense does not have to be great every game for them to win games.[/quote]

Well, they fired their Def. Coordinator from last year and have a new staff. On top of that, they are changing their defensive philosophy along with their staff. Nnamdi was necessary b/c Asante is not strong in the def. their going to be playing (In the new defense he will only be as good as Rogers was for us ;) ). They are a small, quick team that can put up points in a hurry. Last year they needed to b/c their defense allowed 24 or more points in 11 games.

While I think chemistry only matters when its very bad or very good, there are a lot of parts that need to come together for Philly to win it all. Particularly on D.

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[quote=warriorzpath;819523]I'm glad that one of the Eagles have annoited themselves to be the Heat of the NFL.

To literary meet that expectation with the skill-level of Lebron and Wade, 9 (two-fifths of the Heat starters) defensive/offensive starters need to be All-Pro at their positions. And considering Bosh, 4 (one-fifth of the Heat starters) other defensive/offensive starters need to be at the Pro-Bowl level.

If you're keeping count that's 9 All-Pro starters and 4 Pro-Bowlers. If the Eagles have an equivalent of that right now, then I guess for the other 31 NFL teams, it might be better off that the lockout is reinstated.[/quote]

Nahhh, Reggie Bush took his talents to South Beach.

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On top of that, Philly's new DC was their long time (1998 - 2010) offensive line coach and has not coached defense since being a High School Defensive Coordinator in 1986-1989. Not saying he can't do the job (apparently he is a voracious film guy), just saying that is one more piece of the puzzle (and a big one) that seems to be being overlooked as the defensive dream team is being annoitted.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/595124-philadelphia-eagles-new-defensive-coordinator-is-juan-castillo]Philadelphia Eagles New Defensive Coordinator Is… Juan Castillo? | Bleacher Report[/url]
(With our luck, he'll be the second coming of Vince Lombardi).

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[quote=SkinzWin;819550]Nahhh, Reggie Bush took his talents to South Beach.[/quote]

Man I'm so out of the loop. By the way who does Baron Davis play for again?

On a side note I would like to claim the idiot of the year award for 2011
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/12349-and-the-idiot-year-award-goes.html[/url]

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SmootSmack, any idea why we didn't sign Justin Blalock? In my dream we would have signed him or Yanda. I know Yanda really wanted to stay at home, so it is hard to feel that we failed in that chase. Is the same true for Blalock?

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[quote=Lotus;819572]SmootSmack, any idea why we didn't sign Justin Blalock? In my dream we would have signed him or Yanda. I know Yanda really wanted to stay at home, so it is hard to feel that we failed in that chase. Is the same true for Blalock?[/quote]

He got paid well and gets to stay with a contender

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[quote=Lotus;819572]SmootSmack, any idea why we didn't sign Justin Blalock? In my dream we would have signed him or Yanda. I know Yanda really wanted to stay at home, so it is hard to feel that we failed in that chase. Is the same true for Blalock?[/quote]

Blalock reminds me way to much of Dockery. Even though the Falcons play a Zone scheme. Also part of it might be that the Shanahan's are looking for continuity on the O-Line. Thats why the only new starter will be Chester. Usually the more time an O-Line gets to together the better they play. Guys learn when to come off combo blocks, who to pick up in pass protection, and many other nuances.

Remember the O-Line played much better near the end of last year, I'm pretty sure the Front Office wasn't exactly eager to blow it up so they could go through the same growing pains.

Still go back and watch the videos I posted of Torain and Williams. Kory L actually had a bit of a mean streak at LG. At this point my only concern up front is Monty and even then I feel good about his prospects. I know Shanny likes finese agile guys, but the guys up front for the Redskins all seem to have a bit of a mean streak.

[quote=tryfuhl;819580]He got paid well and gets to stay with a contender[/quote]

Plus the cost of living as well as the weather is much nicer in Atlanta then DC. Not to mention Tryfuhls point of playing for a contender. Only thing DC has on Atlanta right now is nicer districts like Alexandria where the streets look like they're paved with Gold. Oh and FedEx field is much nicer (at least inside) then the Georgia Dome.

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I don't even know how serious the interest was in him. Some have said the Skins really wanted Yanda. But the guys I'd heard since last fall they really wanted was Davin Joseph.

I'm not really sure there was ever a true plan B.

I don't really know when Chester fell into the equation. First I heard about the interest in him was a two or three days before we signed him.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;819581]Blalock reminds me way to much of Dockery. Even though the Falcons play a Zone scheme. Also part of it might be that the Shanahan's are looking for continuity on the O-Line. Thats why the only new starter will be Chester. Usually the more time an O-Line gets to together the better they play. Guys learn when to come off combo blocks, who to pick up in pass protection, and many other nuances.

Remember the O-Line played much better near the end of last year, I'm pretty sure the Front Office wasn't exactly eager to blow it up so they could go through the same growing pains.

Still go back and watch the videos I posted of Torain and Williams. Kory L actually had a bit of a mean streak at LG. At this point my only concern up front is Monty and even then I feel good about his prospects. I know Shanny likes finese agile guys, but the guys up front for the Redskins all seem to have a bit of a mean streak.[/quote]

Not to mention that ine zone blocking, for both the running game and passing game, requires a sense of awareness of what the OL around them are going to do.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;819581]

Still go back and watch the videos I posted of Torain and Williams. Kory L actually had a bit of a mean streak at LG. At this point my only concern up front is Monty and even then I feel good about his prospects. I know Shanny likes finese agile guys, but the guys up front for the Redskins all seem to have a bit of a mean streak.

[/quote]

I'm sure that the ideal for Shanny would be the Cladys and T. Williams of the world. Agile yet also big and strong. But if he can't have it all, then he prefers athleticism to size and strength.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;819587]I'm sure that the ideal for Shanny would be the Cladys and T. Williams of the world. Agile yet also big and strong. But if he can't have it all, then he prefers athleticism to size and strength.[/quote]

Well as Chester has shown me, you can be fast, agile, and nasty without being particularly strong. My guess is Schlerth was kind of the same way. He could move and understand angles and while not being Leonard Davis strong he would still use any opportunity he could to get a guy on the ground and finish blocks.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;819594]Well as Chester has shown me, you can be fast, agile, and nasty without being particularly strong. My guess is Schlerth was kind of the same way. He could move and understand angles and while not being Leonard Davis strong he would still use any opportunity he could to get a guy on the ground and finish blocks.[/quote]

"Nastiness" is a mental thing. A strong body is a...body thing that might not be used to its full potential without the proper attitude, with nastiness being one of them. I'm sure every coach wants guys who don't play like pansies, regardless of their physical gifts (or lack thereof).

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Doughty back on 3 year deal

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[quote=Dirtbag59;819561]Man I'm so out of the loop. By the way who does Baron Davis play for again?

On a side note I would like to claim the idiot of the year award for 2011
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-central/12349-and-the-idiot-year-award-goes.html[/url][/quote]

You sir, deserve a facepalm.

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casey rabich failed his physical with the ravens.

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[quote=tomsawyer;819647]casey rabich failed his physical with the ravens.[/quote]


a tad late with the info there :)

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[quote=tryfuhl;819608]Doughty back on 3 year deal[/quote]

Hehe....that guy just refuses to fade away...good for him.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;819644]You sir, deserve a facepalm.[/quote]

Yeah, linking a 5 year old thread is a fail in and of itself.

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[quote=GMScud;819688]Yeah, linking a 5 year old thread is a fail in and of itself.[/quote]

It's more of Reggie Bush unceremoniously moving onto another team that sealed my fate. I just wanted to be sure.

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[quote=NC_Skins;819658]a tad late with the info there :)[/quote]

You know the old saying "Better late than a Cowboys fan."

(Plus the way Dirtbag is paying attention we will have to create a new thread about the failed physical sometime next week.)

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Anyone heard where CP may land this year?

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[quote=mbedner3420;819698]Anyone heard where CP may land this year?[/quote]

In the unemployment line

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[quote=mbedner3420;819698]Anyone heard where CP may land this year?[/quote]

Him and TO are probably in the same boat, wait for injury in camp or in season to a team weak at the position.

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[quote=mbedner3420;819698]Anyone heard where CP may land this year?[/quote]

Walmart cashier.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;819694]You know the old saying "Better late than a Cowboys fan."

(Plus the way Dirtbag is paying attention we will have to create a new thread about the failed physical sometime next week.)[/quote]

Speaking of paying attention. Are the numbers in your SN now going to represent Wilson-Moss or Helu-Moss?

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Any word on the Tatupu and Hayden visits?

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[quote=chrisl13;819705]Any word on the Tatupu and Hayden visits?[/quote]

If Bruce Allen were a pirate his ship would have sailed for years. Vinny wouldn't have stood a chance. IE I don't think anyone has heard a thing other then the fact that the visits took place. If Vinny was in charge we would have knew what they had for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;819704]Speaking of paying attention. Are the numbers in your SN now going to represent Wilson-Moss or Helu-Moss?[/quote]

We have two number 26's?

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tatupa is in dc tonight

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Rocky Mac is back

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And neither. I don't know what it represents. I kinda want the numbers gone but we know how that worked for you.

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[quote=mbedner3420;819698]Anyone heard where CP may land this year?[/quote]

Slice that meat! Slice that meat!!! [/Peyton Manning]