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Is there anything in the rules that says you have to be honest about which QB you're going to start? ;)

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gusbus I deleted your thread and moved your post into this thread.

Just a note to everyone Brunell vs. Ramsey is obviously a hot topic but let's try to limit the number of threads we start on it.

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With all the negative posts out there I wanted to just say that:

Im a Skins fan first.

I believe that Gibbs is a better judge of football talent than me, or Bradshaw, or any of those idiot reporters out there.

If Brunnel is the starter, I will be behind him yelling out support as loud as I can.

That is what real fans do.

TAFKAS, pull me up onto the bandwagon!

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That's what I'm talking about GoSkins!

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[QUOTE=jdlea]That's cool...I'm glad he's starting, I loved when false starts meant the end for drives.[/QUOTE]

what he said.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]With all the negative posts out there I wanted to just say that:

Im a Skins fan first.

I believe that Gibbs is a better judge of football talent than me, or Bradshaw, or any of those idiot reporters out there.

If Brunnel is the starter, I will be behind him yelling out support as loud as I can.

That is what real fans do.

TAFKAS, pull me up onto the bandwagon![/QUOTE]
i will apologize if im wrong, but im pretty sure im not going to be wrong about brunell sucking

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Having vented I guess I plod my way onto the Bandwagon TAFKAS, Brunell shall now lead my skins madden franchise, (you better know what youre doing Gibbs)

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By the way if Ramsey is outta the Skins plans Jason Cambell is now my favorite QB

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[QUOTE=skinsfan0201]I hope that Gibbs realizes that Brunell is not that great after this game against Dallas.[/QUOTE]

dallas was actually the ONLY game last year that brunell looked good in (326yards passing).

but if we're starting brunell, i kinda feel like we're throwing our hands up... I rather see ramsesy or even start working on the campbell train instead of this.

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Gibbs makes me sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brunell is not the answer and never has been. Seems like everyone in this city realizes it but Gibbs. He gave Brunell many, many chances last year. Kept him as the starter way too long and it cost us a chance at a decent season. Then, he says that Ramsey is his man, so one would expect the same degree of loyalty shown to Ramsey. Instead, Ramsey gets to play
less than 1 game before Gibbs takes away his starting job.

Where is the integrity and loyalty that everyone always attributed to Gibbs? Where is the sense of fairness? Does Gibbs honestly think that Brunell is the better choice.

If he truly does, then he's lost all sense of judgement and football common sense. I know now that we are in for a long and terrible season from our offense. After today's announcement, I am truly beginning to believe that Gibbs made a mistake in coming back and that he no longer has what it takes to lead this team.

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Count me off the Gibbs bandwagon. When is it going to sink in, few if any people can successfully be both coach and GM. Gibbs the GM has pretty much ruined this season before it even began. To go all along and say Ramsey is the starter and then to bench him after 1 1/4 quarters is absolutely the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen. Hell Peyton Manning did not look so hot initially against the Ravens D, would Gibbs bench Manning????

Is Antonio Brown still on the team? He should be cut if this going to be the standard by which players are going to be measured.

Gibbs' pride is going to ruin this team, how can any of the players trust what he says now? Gibbs is the only person in the NFL who thinks highly of Brunnel in terms of being a starter.

Mark my words Redskins fans will regret this decision for a long time, we can basically say goodbye to Greg Williams he will be a head coach again and with him will go a lot of the defensive coaching talent after this season which will be no play-offs AGAIN. All because Gibbs has to have his precious.

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And you've been a Head Coach for how long?

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[QUOTE=LadyT]Gibbs makes me sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where is the integrity and loyalty that everyone always attributed to Gibbs? Where is the sense of fairness? Does Gibbs honestly think that Brunell is the better choice.
[/QUOTE]

First off, I sure wasn't sick when Gibbs won 3 rings...

Secondly, Gibbs is loyal to the Redskins organization. If he believes Ramsey hurts the team more than Brunell, he's got to go with Brunell. You can't be loyal to one player over the team. This is football- not tennis.

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Fuck this, big ass mistake. FUck brunnel, what the hell is gibbs doing. He game brunnel 10 games last year. Now he's already giving up on ramsey.

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I can't believe some people......:mad:

Whoever Coach Gibbs picks is the best option.

Personally I'd want to start Campbell, but if Coach doesn't think he's ready he probably isn't.

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Gibbs may be loyal to the org and I'm sure he thinks he is making the right choice. That's what makes it all the more scary - that he actually thinks our chances of winning are better with Brunell.

I'll say it again- get ready for another dismal season, unless of course Brunell gets hurt. If that happens and with how Gibbs has treated Ramsey, don't see how Ramsey can be put back in, so that leave us with the rookie. This is a nightmare and we've only played one game!

If we have any significant injuries on defense, we'll be lucky to win 5 or 6 games.

I've already written this season off. Thanks for nothing, Gibbs!

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The way some people talk you'd think Gibbs is secretly working for Jerry Jones.

Gibbs is our coach, he is loyal to the Redskins and will do whatever he believes is necessary to win. Why did we hire him if we didn't want his opinion?

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With this move, Gibbs is proving the game has indeed passed him by. He single-handedly has thrown the team into turmoil after one week. Now that's BAD coaching.

He'll stick with Brunell, and we'll go 6-10 again.

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How many here think Musgrave played a big part of this decision? HMmmmmmmmmm....something fishy about this one.

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]And you've been a Head Coach for how long?[/QUOTE]

That is pretty asinine, anyone can have an opinion, why does someone have to be head coach to have an opinion that matters. I am not going to kiss Joe Gibbs ass, over what he did in the past. By his own admission Gibbs said the past is the past judge him on the present.

So far in Gibbs II we have the good

Greg Williams hiring

Portis trade

Then we have the bad

Brunell $43 Million contract

6-10 record last season.

In Gibbs II we have a cumlative record of 7-10, hardly awe inspiring and now a team that if probably close to disarray with the QB controversy. If Ramsey is not the answer Brunell sure as hell is not either, might as well thrown in the rookie and see if he was worth the first round pick. This team WILL NOT go to the playoffs with Brunell. Before anyone hyperventilates and throws out the Ravens comparisson, at least Dilfer could throw the deep ball and occassionally challenge the other team, rag arm Brunell by his own addmission could not even throw the pass that was picked off but called back because of penalty as far as he wanted to, he was ten yards short.

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[QUOTE=LadyT]I've already written this season off. Thanks for nothing, Gibbs![/QUOTE]

Bye!

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That's a valid point about it might've been Musgrave....like someone brought up earlier. This might've been on the part of the coaching staff and not just Gibbs. Yes, Gibbs had part in it. But I'm sure it was most of the coaching staff.

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[QUOTE=DirtBagZ]That is pretty asinine, anyone can have an opinion, why does someone have to be head coach to have an opinion that matters. I am not going to kiss Joe Gibbs ass, over what he did in the past. By his own admission Gibbs said the past is the past judge him on the present.

So far in Gibbs II we have the good

Greg Williams hiring

Portis trade

Then we have the bad

Brunell $43 Million contract

6-10 record last season.

In Gibbs II we have a cumlative record of 7-10, hardly awe inspiring and now a team that if probably close to disarray with the QB controversy. If Ramsey is not the answer Brunell sure as hell is not either, might as well thrown in the rookie and see if he was worth the first round pick. This team WILL NOT go to the playoffs with Brunell. Before anyone hyperventilates and throws out the Ravens comparisson, at least Dilfer could throw the deep ball and occassionally challenge the other team, rag arm Brunell by his own addmission could not even throw the pass that was picked by called back because of penalty as far as he wanted to, he was ten yards short.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs didn't negotiate the contract.

Gibbs didn't make all the errors that caused the failures in the Offense resulting in a 6-10.

Please post proof of Brunell saying he couldn't make that throw.

Wow, things get really spicy during CowWhores week.

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RedskinRat - "Whoever Coach Gibbs pick is the best option?" Are you implying the Gibbs is, therefore, infallible or that we should all just accept whatever he decides without question?

We love the Skins just as much as Gibbs and it seems Gibbs is the only one who thinks Brunell should start next week.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]With all the negative posts out there I wanted to just say that:

Im a Skins fan first.

I believe that Gibbs is a better judge of football talent than me, or Bradshaw, or any of those idiot reporters out there.

If Brunnel is the starter, I will be behind him yelling out support as loud as I can.

That is what real fans do.

TAFKAS, pull me up onto the bandwagon![/QUOTE]

I don't like it either, but put me on the WAGON...hopefully the wheels can stay on!

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[QUOTE=RedskinRat]Gibbs didn't negotiate the contract.

Gibbs didn't make all the errors that caused the failures in the Offense resulting in a 6-10.

Please post proof of Brunell saying he couldn't make that throw.

Wow, things get really spicy during CowWhores week.[/QUOTE]

he said he couldn't make it in his press conference, and that it was unfair to ask him to throw it ;)








since he wasn't warmed up... but then again, its been over a YEAR now and he has yet to warm up :(

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Twilbert07 wrote: "With this move, Gibbs is proving the game has indeed passed him by. He single-handedly has thrown the team into turmoil after one week. Now that's BAD coaching.

He'll stick with Brunell, and we'll go 6-10 again."

Couldn't have said it better myself. This move is not only unfair to Ramsey and bad all around, but it creates unecessary and unneeded turmoil on the team. There are many guys on the team, including some team leaders such as Jansen, who want Ramsey in, not Brunell. Also, wonder how our new receivers feel, knowing that the QB will never be able to go long to them? I hope they're ready for 5-yard averages on their receptions.

To those who dare question why many of us are angry with Gibbs, it's because this move is totally ridiculous and makes a mockery of Gibbs' previous statement that Ramsey was his starter. As someone else said, if you get benched for making mistakes in the first game, then Brown and several others also need to be pulled.

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Matty:

Please save this post in archive....for those people that don't believe, make them eat crow when this is successful. Personally, and this kills me, we didn't stand a chance this week in Dallas with the offense whether its Ramsey or Brunell, it really doesn't matter. Unfortunately the turnovers and playing in front of a hostile crowd does not bode well for this team right now. I do think this team will still go 9-7 or 10-6 even with a loss Monday. It will take a few more weeks to iron out the few kinks left in the armour and this will be a dominant football team in November/December.

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[QUOTE=itvnetop]First off, I sure wasn't sick when Gibbs won 3 rings...

Secondly, Gibbs is loyal to the Redskins organization. If he believes Ramsey hurts the team more than Brunell, he's got to go with Brunell. You can't be loyal to one player over the team. This is football- not tennis.[/QUOTE]

First of all, this is not 15 or 20 years ago, so the 3 rings don't mean anything in terms of how Gibbs deals with this struggling team. I have been a Skins fan all my life and always will be, but it's time to stop judging Gibbs by what he did in the 80's.

I'm not questioning Gibbs' loyalty, nor has anyone else who thinks this is a lame brain move on his part. I am beginning to question if he still has what it takes to make us a winner. So far, the jury is still way, way out on this one and his most recent decision has done nothing to convince me that he can make a go of it in 2005.

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so after a couple of pre-season games and 3 regular season drives, we now want BRUNELL?? congratulations guys, the Redskins fans have now gotten as bad if not worse than Eagles fans. biggest 180 i've ever witnessed and for what, the chance that a hamstring was what made Brunell's passes suck last year?

i'm definitely dissappointed in Gibbs, for all his integrity, he couldn't have treated Ramsey any worse, i mean ANY worse. it would have been merciful to let him go, but keeping him this long is the worst torture and has killed both his esteem and value.

i really hope he's pulling a fast one on Dallas and really having Ramsey behind center, else how could we believe anything else from Gibbs from here on out? all the talk and 'support' he gave Ramsey this off-season was BS? no way three drives equates to the season he TRASHED by keeping Brunell so long last season.

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illdefined - You're 100% right. Three drives for Ramsey doesn't even come close to equalling the many games he let Brunell lplay ast season before he finally yanked him.

I used to revere Joe Gibbs, but after his disgusting treatment of Ramsey, I no longer do. Why should any of the other players believe anything he tells them from here on out? And that is the real danger in what Gibbs had done today.

You won't read it in the papers, but you can bet that many of the players are talking about this among themselves and more than a few of them are probably just as disgusted as a lot of us are.

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Let me say that i want to win no matter who the qb. With that being said, we gave Ramsey 1 qtr!! 1 qtr??? It was just on espn that ramsey gave gibbs a call and asked for a trade. 1 qtr? I hope brunell comes in and tears it up. I really do, but I remember last year. Gibbs promised Ramsey the job and took it after 1 qtr. I feel bad for the guy. Who has lost their job after less than 1 game? I know Gibbs knows what he is doing but I can't say agree w/ this harsh decision.

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our WR's last year left skid marks on their way out. you know Brunell hasn't had many reps with these new guys. how much confidence is the offense supposed to have now? how bout the defense? what's it going to take, another burned season? Brunell at 37?

Gibbs just did what he was brought in to PREVENT. even more instability, sure, pile it on, all those writers are going to be proven right. the most unstable franchise in the league. god i hope this is a trick for Dallas.

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I am very upset about the treatment of Ramsey and I feel this will seriously stunt his growth as a star in the NFL, if he ever will become one.

Ramsey:
6/11 105 yards sacked 2 turnovers 1
Brunnel
8/14 70 yards sacked 1 turnovers 0

From Gibbs standpoint, I guess he feels Dallas will be blitz heavy and he wants someone in there who won' t turnover the ball and manage the clock especially if we take a lead. If brunnel can throw it deep successfully I agree with the decision otherwise I don't.

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I think Gibbs made the wrong decision, and I fervently hope I'm wrong. Everyone (except the trolls) on this board wants the Skins to win this week, all we are arguing about is what gives us the best shot.

I must say though, I'm a bit sick of the Gibbs worship. It seems like he could take us through a winless season and there would still be a contingent that would point to his three superbowl wins and say "He knows what he is doing!!"

I wonder if there is anything we could agree on as a benchmark for if the game has passed Gibbs by or not. I would say anything less that 8-8 this season and my confidence in him is shot.

I was a fan during those, what, 12 incredible seasons he was here before. I loved the way he ran the team, but this time around.. I don't know. I have a hard time respecting his treatment of Ramsey.

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I said early in the spring when everyone was constantly bashing Brunell that we would see him again this season, I just didn't know it would be in week two. Whether we choose to beleive it or not, there are several players on the team that do not share many of us negative views on Brunell and I have first hand knowledge of their feelings.
What we need now is for Ramsey to be as supportive of Brunell as Brunell was of him because the way things look now we're going to need them both before the season is over. So, lets stay cool guys, dont kill anybody, keep the faith and stay supportive because we have a long way to go yet!!

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TAFKAS:

Can I have a spot on the Bandwagon with you guys, too? Hail to the Redskins...no matter who the QB is! I've been with them through the glory years, and if they're going down in flames, I'll go down with them!

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[QUOTE=That Guy]he said he couldn't make it in his press conference, and that it was unfair to ask him to throw it ;)

since he wasn't warmed up... but then again, its been over a YEAR now and he has yet to warm up :([/QUOTE]

He was kidding. Re-read the article on the quote. I'll find it and post it after the Weasels game.

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All I can say is good riddance! Trade Ramsey's ass if that's what we wants - let him take his cannon arm and unrealized potential to some other team (to an offense where he could be more successful) - no hard feelings. If we can get a second round pick for him in next year's draft, that's a good deal for us. There might even be teams that'll give us a 1st rounder (the Dolphins were willing last year).

I just could not see us winning against Dallas with Ramsey at the helm. Even though Ramsey was QB in the only win against Dallas in the last 15 games, it was a meaningless game 16, and even in that game, he managed to throw an INT that Roy Williams returned 70 odd yards for a TD.

If Brunell stinks it up,and we're 1-5, then start Jason Campbell and let him learn on the job, since the job will be his next year.

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[QUOTE=hurrykaine]All I can say is good riddance! Trade Ramsey's ass if that's what we wants - let him take his cannon arm and unrealized potential to some other team (to an offense where he could be more successful) - no hard feelings. If we can get a second round pick for him in next year's draft, that's a good deal for us. There might even be teams that'll give us a 1st rounder (the Dolphins were willing last year).

I just could not see us winning against Dallas with Ramsey at the helm. Even though Ramsey was QB in the only win against Dallas in the last 15 games, it was a meaningless game 16, and even in that game, he managed to throw an INT that Roy Williams returned 70 odd yards for a TD.

If Brunell stinks it up,and we're 1-5, then start Jason Campbell and let him learn on the job, since the job will be his next year.[/QUOTE]

What you're really saying is that this season is over with before it's hardly begun. Because, mark my words, Mr. Brunell will be no better than last year, and neither will the offense if he's leading it.

But, I don't blame Brunell for bringing on this early season mess and instability. I lay the blame squarely where it belongs - on Gibbs' shoulders.