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[quote=calia;1375331]So one thing I’ve been wondering - there are reports that Terry requested a trade but I don’t see any statement, tweet or anything else from him (unless I’ve missed it). Parsons was more direct in putting it out there.

Is it possible that there wasn’t such a request, and that neither Terry or his agent are dispelling this as a way to test whether pressure will be created? And AP might not want to sent the record straight for concern that it might prompt such a demand.

The differences between Terry and the guys who demanded a trade (Parsons and Garrett) seem consequential somehow.


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McLaurin [URL="https://www.nfl.com/news/commanders-hc-dan-quinn-on-terry-mclaurin-s-trade-request-it-is-an-emotional-time"]communicated with Quinn[/URL] prior to the official request

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[quote=HTTR;1375313]There are several avenues to create a win for both sides, as pointed out in other posts. If Terry really wants to stay here, he’ll accept one of them. AP and Harris aren’t going to be leveraged by TM’s public whining, and they sure as hell aren’t going to start their tenure here by overpaying. We had an owner who lacked discipline and played favorites, f that.


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Good post and spot on. AP approach is correct with Terry, it also sets the standard moving forward with other vets and contracts.

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you don't pay him 35$m/year because that's insanity. his value is 28-30/y (real money that gets paid out, not fake numbers to inflate a contract). They're also not going to do 4 real years of contract either.

No deal: unhappy terry making 25m and then 28m (and then 32m) without guarantees.
Deal: happier terry making ?? (something they can agree on (30ish x3?) probably mostly guaranteed).

Team perspective, they don't need to do anything, Terry doesn't hit FA till he's 33 (though $85m richer) or they choose to let him.

He's getting real (generational wealth type) money either way. The biggest advantage a deal gives him is injury insurance.

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Just feel like 30 mill gets it done….so get it done

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[quote=That Guy;1375369]you don't pay him 35$m/year because that's insanity. his value is 28-30/y (real money that gets paid out, not fake numbers to inflate a contract). They're also not going to do 4 real years of contract either.

No deal: unhappy terry making 25m and then 28m (and then 32m) without guarantees.
Deal: happier terry making ?? (something they can agree on (30ish x3?) probably mostly guaranteed).

Team perspective, they don't need to do anything, Terry doesn't hit FA till he's 33 (though $85m richer) or they choose to let him.

He's getting real (generational wealth type) money either way. The biggest advantage a deal gives him is injury insurance.[/quote]

I agree with all of this, except this year with no extension his real cash is $15million.

If they are offering 50m or more guaranteed I don't see how Terry doesn't ultimately take it. If it's under 50m then maybe he "bets on himself" and plays the year, but that's a huge risk on his part - injury or declining playing time if other receivers step up. Either way he plays here this year. I hope it's on a long term extension

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At the end of the day what's he going to do? He either puts his pads on and plays here or he sits at home for a year. We all know he won't do that. If they can't get a deal done then we get him for one more year and then it's adios. I doubt they would franchise him.

I saw Ark Monk leave and play for the Jets, and then the damn Eagles. That shit hurt. So certainly, McLaurin leaving will not be a shocker.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1375380]At the end of the day what's he going to do? He either puts his pads on and plays here or he sits at home for a year. We all know he won't do that. If they can't get a deal done then we get him for one more year and then it's adios. I doubt they would franchise him.

I saw Ark Monk leave and play for the Jets, [B]and then the damn Eagles[/B]. That shit hurt. So certainly, McLaurin leaving will not be a shocker.[/quote]

I just threw up in my mouth. I had erased this from my memory.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1375380]At the end of the day what's he going to do? He either puts his pads on and plays here or he sits at home for a year. We all know he won't do that. If they can't get a deal done then we get him for one more year and then it's adios. I doubt they would franchise him.

I saw Ark Monk leave and play for the Jets, and then the damn Eagles. That shit hurt. So certainly, McLaurin leaving will not be a shocker.[/QUOTE]


Difference is Monk left after winning 3 superbowls in a decade, not when we were on the verge of getting back there after 30 years of stink. It is a shocker if he leaves.

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Decent article on the situation: [url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45876543/terry-mclaurin-trade-request-options-teams-commanders-new-contract-pay-questions-extension[/url]

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That's actually a good article and does paint a more complete picture than some of the blurb surrounding this story. Based on that, I'd like to see a deal with c. 50-55M guaranteed over 2 years with a 3 or 4 year overall 28-30M APY. That should sate him and leave cap options down the line, plus have enough to re-sign Tunsil and possibly Deebo. It doesn't really do much within teh market as teh DK deal already did that. If he balls out for 2 years, turn some of year 3 and maybe even 4 into guaranteed money. Can't see him getting better on the open market/via trade. If he insists on c. 30M he can play out this year plus maybe one tagged, and he'll lose out.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1375393]That's actually a good article and does paint a more complete picture than some of the blurb surrounding this story. Based on that, I'd like to see a deal with c. 50-55M guaranteed over 2 years with a 3 or 4 year overall 28-30M APY. That should sate him and leave cap options down the line, plus have enough to re-sign Tunsil and possibly Deebo. It doesn't really do much within teh market as teh DK deal already did that. If he balls out for 2 years, turn some of year 3 and maybe even 4 into guaranteed money. Can't see him getting better on the open market/via trade. If he insists on c. 30M he can play out this year plus maybe one tagged, and he'll lose out.[/quote]

i'd be onboard with this . . .

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We can't trade him because we won't get sufficient value. But you can't just cave and give him everything he wants.

He agreed to a 3 year contract. Willfully. So he is just going to have to lose tons of money if he wants. Then franchise him next year and do it all over again. He has zero leverage. This is Jayden's team now. If he wants to sit out, that's his choice.

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Ultimately time isn't on Terry's side. If he and his agent don't understand that and try to play the year out they will end up costing him upwards of 10m and if he gets hurt or slows down this year it could be even more.
I hope the team offers him a fair deal (28-30 aay with guarantees around 54-60) but Terry has to be the one to move majorly on his expectations.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1375396]Ultimately time isn't on Terry's side. If he and his agent don't understand that and try to play the year out they will end up costing him upwards of 10m and if he gets hurt or slows down this year it could be even more.
I hope the team offers him a fair deal (28-30 aay with guarantees around 54-60) but Terry has to be the one to move majorly on his expectations.

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Our team has zero leverage in a trade to other teams. And Terry has very limited leverage against us. Can't make a shitty trade because a guy under contract is holding out. So Terry has some tough decisions to make.

I do hope they are offering him somewhere around 30m AAV. But in the Harris/Peters era things alright rightfully close to the vest.

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I haven’t listened to Sheehan, but saw on X that $23 mill per year is the teams offer. I have a really hard time thinking that’s true.

Reports out of camp is Terry not on the field is having a real impact.

Let’s offer the 30 per and get this done. I’ve had enough of this.

If we had a better running game, I’d worry much less…but the team chose not to add talent there on the offseason.

I’d say we are a borderline to make the playoffs this year if he would use the nuclear option to sit or if he was traded

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nfl's top 100 players probably has terry at #10 or 11 at WR (#5WR, but top 40 not revealed yet). madden has him as the #6 rated WR.

you know, the stats that matter.

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Pay the man already!

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Honestly, if the offer is 23, and I have a hard time imagining it is, we need to get real - he’s absolutely worth more than that given the wr market.

You know what Terry contract I want? A signed one. AP won’t break the bank so if a deal gets done, I’m sure it will work for the team.


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[quote=calia;1375468]Honestly, if the offer is 23, and I have a hard time imagining it is, we need to get real - he’s absolutely worth more than that given the wr market.

You know what Terry contract I want? A signed one. AP won’t break the bank so if a deal gets done, I’m sure it will work for the team.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]Keim is reporting most AP will go up to is 28 million annually. McLaurin not interested. Stalemate continues. Highly frustrating situation. Honestly think Terry needs to look at the entire picture. His age and being a 1,000 yd receiver instead of elite numbers (1,300 plus consistently) are doing him no favors here. He needs to take AP's best offer now. Think it will cost him money long term if he doesn't.

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Let him play out his contract this year and franchise him next year. He would be dumb to turn down a competitive offer if it’s around the $30m/year range.

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[quote=MTK;1375473]Let him play out his contract this year and franchise him next year. He would be dumb to turn down a competitive offer if it’s around the $30m/year range.[/quote]

Agree, this is the main reason Terry has limited leverage. Peters would naturally be looking at this as the ceiling:

This Year, 2025: $19.9M, per existing contract
Next Year, 2026: franchise tag, $28M per OverTheCap
Year After, 2027: franchise tag again, must be no less than 20% increase, $33.7M

Total of $81.6M over three years. After that, Terry will be 32 and his chances at a big payday are over.

Keep in mind, his cap number this year is $25.5M but he's due $19.9M this year, the other $5.6M was prorated signing bonus he received three years ago when he signed.

So with that as the context I have a hard time seeing why Peters would be compelled to go over $30M per season. His break glass in case of emergency plan would be $27M over three years.

If Terry's agent can't read that at the poker table then Terry needs a new agent. Give him the $28M or $29M per year with lion's share guaranteed, worth the $1 or $2M extra to sing kumbaya during Jayden's rookie deal. Otherwise, do your job as the executive and protect the team's financial picture, and force Terry to play on two consecutive tags.

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[quote=MTK;1375473]Let him play out his contract this year and franchise him next year. He would be dumb to turn down a competitive offer if it’s around the $30m/year range.[/quote]

Does team even think he’s worth the franchise value?

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[quote=88Commanders00;1375475]Does team even think he’s worth the franchise value?[/quote]

I'd be shocked if they didn't, Peters was in SF when they gave Aiyuk a Brinks truck. They know they don't have to go higher than franchise tag numbers.

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Folks need to chill, big time. If the player isn't frustrated by talks are you even doing your job as the executive?

Dan Snyder used to have the reputation in the 2000s as the guy you could go to if you wanted to get paid in free agency. Didn't work out so well. Peters should be forcing negotiations to be challenging, otherwise he's too soft.

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[quote=Schneed10;1375477]Folks need to chill, big time. If the player isn't frustrated by talks are you even doing your job as the executive?

Dan Snyder used to have the reputation in the 2000s as the guy you could go to if you wanted to get paid in free agency. Didn't work out so well. Peters should be forcing negotiations to be challenging, otherwise he's too soft.[/quote]


I concur with this. Terry has been paid well but this is a business. You pay based on what you expect going forward, not for what they've done in the past.

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[quote=Schneed10;1375476] Peters was in SF when they gave Aiyuk a Brinks truck.[/quote]

He left long before Aiyuk got paid.

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[quote=Schneed10;1375477]Folks need to chill, big time. If the player isn't frustrated by talks are you even doing your job as the executive?

Dan Snyder used to have the reputation in the 2000s as the guy you could go to if you wanted to get paid in free agency. Didn't work out so well. Peters should be forcing negotiations to be challenging, otherwise he's too soft.[/quote]

On a scale of 1-5 fucks given I’m at a 1 with this situation.

He’s not going to sit out games, he needs to have another big season if he wants another big payday. I could see the team not budging until maybe mid season.

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[quote=davy;1375481]He left long before Aiyuk got paid.[/quote]

Ah you're right. Ok well go back further, Trent, Bosa, these guys hold out or hold in for a while but they ended up signing. Hard to tell how much of that was Peters vs Lynch, but we know that Peters is known for being a tough negotiator here in Washington, Fowler has said that much. That's his job.

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[quote=MTK;1375482]On a scale of 1-5 fucks given I’m at a 1 with this situation.

He’s not going to sit out games, he needs to have another big season if he wants another big payday. I could see the team not budging until maybe mid season.[/quote]

Very plausible. Their leverage comes from knowing Terry has to risk injury by playing this year to reach the open market, at which point they could always tag him anyway. There's no reason for them to come off their position.

Terry being a good guy and a fan favorite does not make it a good business decision to pay him like DK Metcalf.

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Our WR room without Terry is buttcheeks. It will definitely effect the team if he actually sits out games.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1375487]Our WR room without Terry is buttcheeks. It will definitely effect the team if he actually sits out games.[/quote]

I love Terry and I'm in the camp who wants to see Terry get paid (big money for the first 2 years), but JD is so good to the point where he can make WRs look good. Look at Zaccheaus, he is a journeyman WR and yet he had a positive impact on our offense last year.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1375487]Our WR room without Terry is buttcheeks. It will definitely effect the team if he actually sits out games.[/quote]

OK but think about that. He's due 19.9M this year, so over 17 games that's $1.1M per game.

Each game he sits out he loses out on $1.1M in real money due to him this year.

Then, as he goes into next year, assuming he plays enough games this year for his contract to toll, has he done enough to earn the big payday he's looking for?

Remember Leveon Bell tried that move, he sat out leading into a contract year and it backfired on him bigtime as teams wondered if he still had it when he came back.

Chris Jones recently tried this tactic, he came back after one missed game. It's not a practical move. Terry's stuck, he's got to play.

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[quote=Schneed10;1375489]OK but think about that. He's due 19.9M this year, so over 17 games that's $1.1M per game.

Each game he sits out he loses out on $1.1M in real money due to him this year.

Then, as he goes into next year, assuming he plays enough games this year for his contract to toll, has he done enough to earn the big payday he's looking for?

Remember Leveon Bell tried that move, he sat out leading into a contract year and it backfired on him bigtime as teams wondered if he still had it when he came back.

Chris Jones recently tried this tactic, he came back after one missed game. It's not a practical move. Terry's stuck, he's got to play.[/quote]

I hope you're right. Just a frustrating situation. Shit is finally going right on all fronts and then this pops up. Still another month or so to figure it out. The team has more leverage for sure. I'd rather Terry be signed and extended than "forced" to play unhappy on a 1-year deal. But I understand they can't just give him 33 million or whatever either. Would love to know what has been our maximum offer vs. what is minimum accepted amount is.

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At today's scrimmage Terry and Peters were talking cordially. Quinn said Terry has been involved in team meetings. These aren't the actions of a player who is sitting out or planning to hurt the team. Truthfully no one knows what is actually happening and Peters knows they need Terry.

Clearly both parties are waiting to make sure they have the other's absolute best offer. I personally expect Terry to be on our team and happy for 3 more years.

edit just saw a video of it, maybe cordial isn't the right word. Terry standing there in a hoodie in the middle of August hands shovedein the pockets and AP with his hands on hips like he's lecturing.
Makes me wonder if Terry should even be talking directly to AP without a contract extension in place.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1375491]I hope you're right. Just a frustrating situation. Shit is finally going right on all fronts and then this pops up. Still another month or so to figure it out. The team has more leverage for sure. I'd rather Terry be signed and extended than "forced" to play unhappy on a 1-year deal. But I understand they can't just give him 33 million or whatever either. Would love to know what has been our maximum offer vs. what is minimum accepted amount is.[/quote]

All due respect, if you think these situations don’t come up for good organizations, or that they won’t come up for us going forward, then you’re not in very good touch with the realities of NFL business. This is entirely normal.

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[quote=Schneed10;1375496]All due respect, if you think these situations don’t come up for good organizations, or that they won’t come up for us going forward, then you’re not in very good touch with the realities of NFL business. This is entirely normal.[/quote]

Frustrated w/ the situation. Not w/ the team. After a magical season, would have been nice to have a nice, peaceful offseason. Guess that's just not really a thing in the NFL.

At the end of the day, McLaurin agreed to a 3-year contract, so the onus is on him more than the team.

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I have come to the conclusion there are two scenarios here.

1) Terry is aware he's 'playing the game' and is making all this noise simply because he wants the best deal he can get and he's going to either back down and sign a reasonable offer or play out this year and see what happens in FA. If he's not a fool, he'll sign the deal.
2) He's getting really bad advice (agent), and he's ignoring outside people that are pointing out how precarious his position could become.

I really hope it's 1).

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1375497]Frustrated w/ the situation. Not w/ the team. After a magical season, would have been nice to have a nice, peaceful offseason. Guess that's just not really a thing in the NFL.

At the end of the day, McLaurin agreed to a 3-year contract, so the onus is on him more than the team.[/quote]

look at the steelers, every off season they seem to have some contract battle, i think we can all agree they are very well organization

Terry has two years left of a legit WR1, that is the reality, he came out of college at a old age , his window is/was smaller then others to get multiply big pay days

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Terry isn’t going to sit out a game or season.

Do we agree on that?

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[quote=Chico23231;1375503]Terry isn’t going to sit out a game or season.

Do we agree on that?[/quote]

at this point he is just hurting his stock

he will have to play unless he wants no paycheck and missing training camp there is a higher probability of soft tissue injuries


look a Brandon A sat out got hurt.

if i am Terry i get in camp play out my contract and bet on myself next year, or take the commanders current offer , he is a 30 year old WR