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And he is active for today’s game. Bruce Allen is a douchebag!!

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1236888]Are some of you forgetting the road rage incident where Montae and his girlfriend were arrested about a year ago? He beat the hell out of a guy in the middle of a street and kept hitting a guy who was not fighting back.

I know a lot of you will claim charges were dropped, in that case which is true.
Problem is as anyone with a lick of common sense realizes the reason why charges against NFL players are often dropped is the fact they buy their way out of trouble. Something the average Joe doesn't have the deep pockets to do.

I think Montae Nicholson does more than just make poor choices.[/quote]

That is exactly right. Montae is not an innocent video game player that that is a victim of circumstances like some think. He is an adult and he makes the chioces of who he hangs out with and what he allows to happen in his house. Most telling is he ran like a scared bitch from the hospital as soon as police arrived. Innocent or not if this happened in my house, i would not have run like he did. That is not what an innocent poor video game player does when his girlfriend dies at his house. Weak.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1236889]And he is active for today’s game. Bruce Allen is a douchebag!![/quote]

I was very stunned to see him out there today. Even though he hasn't been charged or anything like that, you'd think most teams would have him at least not be active until the entire investigation is over, and any guilt or innocence can be proven.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1237086]I was very stunned to see him out there today. Even though he hasn't been charged or anything like that, you'd think most teams would have him at least not be active until the entire investigation is over, and any guilt or innocence can be proven.[/quote]

Investigation into what? What did he do exactly?

I'm all for replacing Montae Nicholson as a player, but the only thing he's guilty of is making poor life choices. That isn't a crime though.

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[quote=mooby;1237089]Investigation into what? What did he do exactly?

I'm all for replacing Montae Nicholson as a player, but the only thing he's guilty of is making poor life choices. That isn't a crime though.[/quote]

Until the woman's death is case closed, last we heard Montae was cooperating with authorities. So i'm figuring as long as he is a person that the police are talking to regarding someone else's death, he should probably not be playing until he is ruled out from any wrongdoing. I realize that he probably didn't inject her or purposely kill her, etc. But what if he was who supplied the drugs?

And yes, making poor life choices i feel is a crime in the NFL. Moral Responsibility, and the Moral clause that some clubs enforce / stand behind. Ask yourself right now if Montae would have played today if he was on the Patriots' roster and Belichick found out about this incident. Better question, ask yourself if the Patriots would even sign a guy like Montae with his known issues. If your answer to either question is "No", then i feel I've proved my point.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1237092]Until the woman's death is case closed, last we heard Montae was cooperating with authorities. So i'm figuring as long as he is a person that the police are talking to regarding someone else's death, he should probably not be playing until he is ruled out from any wrongdoing. I realize that he probably didn't inject her or purposely kill her, etc. But what if he was who supplied the drugs?

And yes, making poor life choices i feel is a crime in the NFL. Moral Responsibility, and the Moral clause that some clubs enforce / stand behind. Ask yourself right now if Montae would have played today if he was on the Patriots' roster and Belichick found out about this incident. Better question, ask yourself if the Patriots would even sign a guy like Montae with his known issues. If your answer to either question is "No", then i feel I've proved my point.[/quote]

Antonio Brown makes poor life choices and Belichick snapped him up like 2 seconds after the Raiders released him. If the rape allegations hadn't come out AB would still be playing for the Pats today. Does that answer your question?

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[quote=mooby;1237093]Antonio Brown makes poor life choices and Belichick snapped him up like 2 seconds after the Raiders released him. If the rape allegations hadn't come out AB would still be playing for the Pats today. Does that answer your question?[/quote]

Yes 100%, but i'm sure you didn't realize you answered it for me. You really are comparing two different things. AB yells at his GM and gets canned, and Belichick picks him up. Rape Allegation comes out and AB is off the team. AB was never proven guilty, so why did the Pats cut him? But he was never arrested or charged, so why is he not playing?

If it comes out that Montae gave her the drugs that killed her, do you still think he should be here, because in your opinion, "people make poor life choices"? Should we keep a guy on our team that is having parties where people die from drugs?

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[quote=mooby;1237089]Investigation into what? What did he do exactly?

I'm all for replacing Montae Nicholson as a player, but the only thing he's guilty of is making poor life choices. That isn't a crime though.[/quote]

You call beating a guy unconscious who was no longer fighting back a "poor life choice"? That one was on tape, Montae is a POS as a human being, plain and simple.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1237113][B]You call beating a guy unconscious who was no longer fighting back a "poor life choice"?[/B] That one was on tape, Montae is a POS as a human being, plain and simple.[/quote]

Yes, I do.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1237097]Yes 100%, but i'm sure you didn't realize you answered it for me. You really are comparing two different things. AB yells at his GM and gets canned, and Belichick picks him up. Rape Allegation comes out and AB is off the team. AB was never proven guilty, so why did the Pats cut him? But he was never arrested or charged, so why is he not playing?

If it comes out that Montae gave her the drugs that killed her, do you still think he should be here, because in your opinion, "people make poor life choices"? Should we keep a guy on our team that is having parties where people die from drugs?[/quote]

Am I? Even Belichick makes exceptions for jackasses if they're talented enough. And I think you're selling AB short, they cut him after they had exhausted every option to try and get him to show up and work.

Also, a rape allegation is different than dating someone with a drug addiction. Sorry if you can't tell the difference.

BTW the article clearly says her dad found a "black substance wrapped in tinfoil" in her room. Now, I'm no drug expert, but going by what I've learned in life if I had to guess I'd say that's heroin, probably [URL="https://americanaddictioncenters.org/heroin-treatment/black-tar"]black tar[/URL].

Unless you're suggesting Montae Nicholson supplies her with black tar heroin, I'd put good odds on him not being her dealer.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1237113]You call beating a guy unconscious who was no longer fighting back a "poor life choice"? That one was on tape, Montae is a POS as a human being, plain and simple.[/quote]

[quote=mooby;1237114]Yes, I do.[/quote]

Seriously? How would you feel if you or one of your loved ones was drug out into the street and beaten till you or they had permanent brain damage by one of Montae's "poor life choices"?

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[quote=mooby;1236865]Idk Schneed, [B]if we start railing against any Redskins for hanging out in places where people are doing serious drugs (aka a club) our roster might end up pretty thin at the important spots[/B]. I think most NFL players aren't cautious about when to partake because they have a good general idea of when they're going to be tested.

It really wouldn't surprise me to find out they were all doing molly/e/whatever. And the NFL hands out scripts like candy, maybe she OD'd off Montae's supply.

Did anyone hold Montae in good character before this? I'd dump him because he's not that good of a player and now he's making repeatedly poor life choices.[/quote]

If they're hanging out in clubs late at night during the season then getting rid of all of those players is [B]EXACTLY[/B] what we need to change the culture around here.

How anybody goes along thinking any of these things are acceptable is beyond me.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1237119]Seriously? How would you feel if you or one of your loved ones was drug out into the street and beaten till you or they had permanent brain damage by one of Montae's "poor life choices"?[/quote]

A. we don't know the events leading up to it. All I know is Montae made a poor life choice deciding to act with his fists instead of talking it out.

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[quote=Schneed10;1237134]If they're hanging out in clubs late at night during the season then getting rid of all of those players is [B]EXACTLY[/B] what we need to change the culture around here.

How anybody goes along thinking any of these things are acceptable is beyond me.[/quote]

I'm just saying, in today's league talented players are also headcases for a reason. The kind of headcases that are willing to go out partying on a Fri/Sat night before a game.

Do you not read players stories that they put out there? I'd say partying during a game week is probably a leaguewide problem. Maybe the Pats are the exception because Belichick has won 6 SB's, but you think Antonio Brown wasn't doing whatever the hell he wanted when he was with the Steelers (another "model" organization with the proper culture).

If you want talented guys on your team you're gonna have to put up with their ego's too. The Kerrigans of the NFL world (team first, does his job good, will never have off-the-field trouble) are a rarity.

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Mooby think about this....

As a Football player, my behavior on and off the field is under a microscope. I know this, so ignorance isn't an excuse.

Im extremely privileged to make a ton of money and to do the thing I love

Knowing this, I made a terrible mistake of a street fight on the mean streets of western Fairfax (sarcasm, Fairfax is an elitist, privileged 1% county in the US). I got a mulligan for this mistake.

I follow this up by dating a heroin addict. We know this drug is highly illegal and users surround themselves with terrible people. Yet, I letting her use in my home and know this can kill her. He cares so much about her that he drops her off to die and chose not to be there with her.

You seriously gonna be an apologist for him?

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I find it rather amusing to see people wanting him fired for, according to the reports, doing nothing wrong except for dating someone with an addiction... the same people who defended a guy who beat a kid bloody with a stick and even said he wiuld do it again.

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[quote=TheGuyFromOverThere;1237141]I find it rather amusing to see people wanting him fired for, according to the reports, doing nothing wrong except for dating someone with an addiction... the same people who defended a guy who beat a kid bloody with a stick and even said he wiuld do it again.[/quote]

I think you missed the point. His behavior does not align itself with someone dedicated to being the best football player he can be. A team full of Montae Nicholsons will get you nothing but an unprepared bottom feeder team that is an embarrassment to the NFL. I am pretty sure there aren't many pro bowlers that stay up late partying with drug addicts in the middle of the work week. Also most people I have known in my lifetime that did hard drugs hung out with fellow drug users. I think that is pretty common.

While beating a 3 year old with a switch is a disgusting act that should have landed Peterson in jail an act like that does not effect his ability as a football player.

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Surprised he started. He should have been inactive .... I guess the Skins wanted all hands on deck for this win.

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[quote=Chico23231;1237139]Mooby think about this....

As a Football player, my behavior on and off the field is under a microscope. I know this, so ignorance isn't an excuse.

Im extremely privileged to make a ton of money and to do the thing I love

Knowing this, I made a terrible mistake of a street fight on the mean streets of western Fairfax (sarcasm, Fairfax is an elitist, privileged 1% county in the US). I got a mulligan for this mistake.

I follow this up by dating a heroin addict. We know this drug is highly illegal and users surround themselves with terrible people. Yet, I letting her use in my home and know this can kill her. He cares so much about her that he drops her off to die and chose not to be there with her.

You seriously gonna be an apologist for him?[/quote]

The WaPo article indicated he stayed at the hospital for 1/2 hr and left after meeting her brother there. LCSO are the ones saying he dropped her off because he didn't stay there to talk to police. All indications are afterward he is fully cooperating with them.

Can I be clear? I want to replace Montae Nicholson because he's not a good football player, and he's already made poor life choices like getting into unnecessary fights off the field.

But the tone here is that dating a heroin addict and then watching her die due to her addictions is a crime that he should be punished for.

Have any of you ever considered perspective? He was dating her for 6 months, he's probably hurting right now asking himself if there's anything he could've done differently that would've saved her life.

You guys are acting like he dropped her like a bad habit. That he's this totally emotionless/lacking remorse/empathy thug who showed a total lack of concern for her.

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Unless he supplied her the drugs, he did nothing wrong. Lesson learned, don't date a heroin addict. Very rarely will that end in anything but something bad. NFL players are normal people that happen to be good at football. They still have the same urges we all have. In my early 20's, no way I'm going 6 months without partying. Yes, you should surround yourself with better people, but you aren't responsible for their decisions.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1237176]Unless he supplied her the drugs, he did nothing wrong. Lesson learned, don't date a heroin addict. Very rarely will that end in anything but something bad. [B]NFL players are normal people that happen to be good at football[/B]. They still have the same urges we all have. In my early 20's, no way I'm going 6 months without partying. Yes, you should surround yourself with better people, but you aren't responsible for their decisions.[/quote]

Something that I think a lot of these fans tend to forget. I also agree with your last line too.

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He's a paid professional, who with one girlfriend is beating someone in the street in late one night and the new girlfriend is dying because of od on heroin at his place.

He's obviously a someone who is a complete moron and lacks serious judgment.

He's def not a victim.

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There are no victims in this. If you choose to do heroin there is a good chance you will kill yourself. You voluntarily choose to do that, that's your decision. Decisions have consequences.

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Just because lots of young people do questionable shit doesn't mean you, as a fan or as an armchair GM have to accept it.

Winning culture comes with holding people to a higher standard. Lots of people do it, fine. That just means lots of people aren't good enough people to play football on a championship football team.

Some of you guys may be just a little too used to getting along with the bottom quartile of people in this country. The right move as a manager in any organization, let alone the leaders of an NFL football team, is to draw a line and establish minimum acceptable standards of behavior.

My minimum standard is during the season, you're focused on football. That means you're getting sleep, you're staying away from parties, you're focused on nutrition and conditioning, and you're focused on your playbook. If you demonstrate otherwise, unless we have lots of cap dollars tied up in you, you're out.

You don't have to put up with the bottom quartile if you don't want to.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1237176]Unless he supplied her the drugs, he did nothing wrong. Lesson learned, don't date a heroin addict. Very rarely will that end in anything but something bad. NFL players are normal people that happen to be good at football. [B]They still have the same urges we all have[/B]. In my early 20's, no way I'm going 6 months without partying. Yes, you should surround yourself with better people, but you aren't responsible for their decisions.[/quote]

The difference is they make a nice living by being in peak physical condition 6 months out of the year. Doing drugs, not getting proper rest, poor nutrition, all put that at risk. The guy isn't a bank manager that can go to work and sit at a desk all day after a long night of partying.

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Heroin? Are we sure it was black tar heroin? That seems like heavy heavy stuff. That just doesnt seem to fit the profile of a 21 year old girl working at planet fitness.

Tom Brady should be the model for every single person who wants to play in the NFL imo. You have a 3-10 year window to maximize your payday before you go back to being mortal like the rest of us. You can party when your 36 .. easier said now that im older than living in the moment but still.

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[quote=Schneed10;1237186]Just because lots of young people do questionable shit doesn't mean you, as a fan or as an armchair GM have to accept it.

Winning culture comes with holding people to a higher standard. Lots of people do it, fine. That just means lots of people aren't good enough people to play football on a championship football team.

Some of you guys may be just a little too used to getting along with the bottom quartile of people in this country. The right move as a manager in any organization, let alone the leaders of an NFL football team, is to draw a line and establish minimum acceptable standards of behavior.

My minimum standard is during the season, you're focused on football. That means you're getting sleep, you're staying away from parties, you're focused on nutrition and conditioning, and you're focused on your playbook. If you demonstrate otherwise, unless we have lots of cap dollars tied up in you, you're out.

You don't have to put up with the bottom quartile if you don't want to.[/quote]

Schneed you should know by now I agree that having a winning culture in place is a necessary thing to compete for titles. I've had the luxury of seeing the Nats and Caps win titles after years of competing with the front-runners. Both of those organizations set the standard and in the Nats case came from a terrible start to winning a title in the same year.

We all joke about the "great culture" we have around here but in reality we couldn't be any further from it. It starts at the top and has invaded every aspect of this organization from Snyder to the ball boys. I just don't see the need to keep discussing it when there is zero indication Snyder has any plans to do what's right. Something has to click with Snyder. If going 1-9 and getting blown out every game can't do it idk what will.

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[quote=SunnySide;1237188]Heroin? Are we sure it was black tar heroin? That seems like heavy heavy stuff. That just doesnt seem to fit the profile of a 21 year old girl working at planet fitness.

Tom Brady should be the model for every single person who wants to play in the NFL imo. You have a 3-10 year window to maximize your payday before you go back to being mortal like the rest of us. You can party when your 36 .. easier said now that im older than living in the moment but still.[/quote]

This is speculation based off her dad finding a black substance wrapped in tinfoil in her room. That's the logical assumption. Obviously she was an addict for something.

The Tom Brady bit sounds great as an idea but for whatever reason there is a disconnect between guys trying to emulate his lifestyle.

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[quote=SunnySide;1237188]Heroin? Are we sure it was black tar heroin? That seems like heavy heavy stuff. That just doesnt seem to fit the profile of a 21 year old girl working at planet fitness.

Tom Brady should be the model for every single person who wants to play in the NFL imo. You have a 3-10 year window to maximize your payday before you go back to being mortal like the rest of us. You can party when your 36 .. easier said now that im older than living in the moment but still.[/quote]

Most people are ignorant about the whole drug culture and lifestyle, and tend to go by what they see on TV as far as how junkies "look". The truth is, they can be any of us. Doctors, Teachers, Mothers, etc. Addiction doesn't discriminate.

I didn't even realize that addiction was living in my own parents' house. My sister was a hard drug user all through high school. And i had no idea, none of us did, until the night her and her boyfriend's apartment was raided by the police a few years after graduation. She held down a job at a call center, always seemed fine when she would come and visit at holidays. So when we heard of the arrests, we were shocked.

The only other thing that could have possibly happened in the death of this young woman, that i haven't seen anyone talk about, is that perhaps at the party at Montae's house, she was encouraged into doing heroin and had never done it before. Maybe she didn't know what she was doing and had someone else inject her, maybe they gave her too much, who knows.

But the bottom line is, if we are serious about changing the culture here, and i don't think we are as long as Bruce is still here, if we are serious one day about changing the culture, then guys like Montae should have no place here.

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[quote=mooby;1237197]
The Tom Brady bit sounds great as an idea but for whatever reason there is a disconnect between guys trying to emulate his lifestyle.[/quote]

I think 75% of Tom Brady's lifestyle would be fine and dandy, from what I read or heard about his habits he seems over the top. I don't think the guy has had a slice of pizza or a cheeseburger in ages.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1237214]I think 75% of Tom Brady's lifestyle would be fine and dandy, from what I read or heard about his habits he seems over the top. I don't think the guy has had a slice of pizza or a cheeseburger in ages.[/quote]

I agree, he probably eats like one slice of cheese pizza a year. But if there's anybody any NFL player wants to emulate about how to defy age, it's Brady. Before he came along the best thing 42yo NFL qb's were known for was making an occasional quality start. Brady is still playing at a high level which is insane.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1237214]I think 75% of Tom Brady's lifestyle would be fine and dandy, from what I read or heard about his habits he seems over the top. I don't think the guy has had a slice of pizza or a cheeseburger in ages.[/quote]

He’s got Giselle in his diet, I would too :)

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[quote=mooby;1237224]I agree, he probably eats like one slice of cheese pizza a year. But if there's anybody any NFL player wants to emulate about how to defy age, it's Brady. Before he came along the best thing 42yo NFL qb's were known for was making an occasional quality start. Brady is still playing at a high level which is insane.[/quote]

Brady is now the 3rd oldest NFL QB to start a game. He just passed Doug Flutie by a couple months. Both Steve Deberg and Warren Moon had one start each at 44. Moon started 10 games at a 42 year old, only threw 3 passes the next year. DeBerg came out of a 4 year retirement.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1237230]Brady is now the 3rd oldest NFL QB to start a game. He just passed Doug Flutie by a couple months. Both Steve Deberg and Warren Moon had one start each at 44. Moon started 10 games at a 42 year old, only threw 3 passes the next year. DeBerg came out of a 4 year retirement.[/quote]

I remember thinking DeBerg was always an old man! Dependable, but he always seemed so much older than everybody else playing!

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[url]https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/20/us/apparent-drug-overdose-investigation-montae-nicholson/index.html[/url]

Well this story is about to get more complicated.

I'm sure plenty of you will be quick to rush to judgement and condemn Montae for having drugs in his house, but I'll wait until we have the complete story before we crucify Montae for dating an addict.

And I don't care if the weed is Montae's because it's common knowledge NFL players prefer weed to pills. The article also doesn't mention where the foil with residue was found either, unless he fails a drug test I would probably guess and say that was hers.

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[quote=mooby;1237335][url]https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/20/us/apparent-drug-overdose-investigation-montae-nicholson/index.html[/url]

Well this story is about to get more complicated.

I'm sure plenty of you will be quick to rush to judgement and condemn Montae for having drugs in his house, but I'll wait until we have the complete story before we crucify Montae for dating an addict.

And I don't care if the weed is Montae's because it's common knowledge NFL players prefer weed to pills. The article also doesn't mention where the foil with residue was found either, unless he fails a drug test I would probably guess and say that was hers.[/quote]

yeah man...poor Monte. All this shit happening to him is out of his control.

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[quote=mooby;1237335][url]https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/20/us/apparent-drug-overdose-investigation-montae-nicholson/index.html[/url]

Well this story is about to get more complicated.

I'm sure plenty of you will be quick to rush to judgement and condemn Montae for having drugs in his house, but I'll wait until we have the complete story before we crucify Montae for dating an addict.

And I don't care if the weed is Montae's because it's common knowledge NFL players prefer weed to pills. The article also doesn't mention where the foil with residue was found either, unless he fails a drug test I would probably guess and say that was hers.[/quote]

What part of this is complicated? I hope you're not shocked. Birds of a feather flock together, pretty sure Montae's crew doesn't come over for milk and cookies to study the Bible. Pretty sure most people into clean living don't date heroin addicts.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1237338]What part of this is complicated? I hope you're not shocked. Birds of a feather flock together, pretty sure Montae's crew doesn't come over for milk and cookies to study the Bible. Pretty sure most people into clean living don't date heroin addicts.[/quote]

Who's to say he even knew? Unless she had visible track marks everywhere and other obvious signs he might not have even known.

And Chico, Montae (spell his gd name right please) is not the victim in this. But he's not the problem either.

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[quote=mooby;1237345]Who's to say he even knew? Unless she had visible track marks everywhere and other obvious signs he might not have even known.

[B]And Chico, Montae (spell his gd name right please) is not the victim in this. But he's not the problem either.[/B][/quote]

You can't be serious. So far what is known to us is he was beating the hell out of a dude who wasn't fighting back, he could have killed or permanently disabled the guy. I don't care what happened before, even if it is self defense, once you neutralize the threat you stop the onslaught. Then a women dies in his house from a drug overdose. I suppose you figure Montae was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Seriously, you think someone can hide being a junkie from someone they spend a lot of time with? Back in the day I worked at a company that had a few practicing junkies, you could spot them a mile away.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1237348]You can't be serious. So far what is known to us is he was beating the hell out of a dude who wasn't fighting back, he could have killed or permanently disabled the guy. I don't care what happened before, even if it is self defense, once you neutralize the threat you stop the onslaught. Then a women dies in his house from a drug overdose. I suppose you figure Montae was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Seriously, you think someone can hide being a junkie from someone they spend a lot of time with? Back in the day I worked at a company that had a few practicing junkies, you could spot them a mile away.[/quote]

Why do you keep bringing up getting into the fight? All we know is he beat up another guy. We don't know what started it. Was it warranted at all? No, it clearly wasn't. Even if he was defending himself you have to know when to stop. But that's all you got. And now the girl he was dating died after OD'ing. He wasn't her supplier, and possibly might not have even known she was doing anything other than popular party drugs (which can be a gateway to drugs like heroin).

Btw, do you think her parents knew about her addiction? I guarantee you, you know an addict. Just because the signs aren't obvious doesn't mean it's not happening. Living in this country right now, it's an epidemic for a reason. It effects everybody from all walks of life. Poor, rich, young, old. Doesn't matter. The stigma that comes from being an addict, being treated like a criminal vs. someone with a health issue, and it's hard to believe this girl could hide her addiction successfully.