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[quote=mooby;1201650]We've already had this discussion Cred. I agree there should be term limits in politics.[/quote]
We all agreed!

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[quote=Chico23231;1201637]The irony is this...if the government mandated it, you would love it. Since corporate America is doing it...its criticized.

This is serious competition component to the 15 raise....but lets not talk about it. Wages are rising and there have been articles about the holiday job hiring frenzy where higher pay this season was gonna be an issue for demand of those jobs.

Warren Buffet knows what he is talking about and often the liberals will highlight he opinions. But its funny when the bias media doesn't push one of his strong view points on the economy: [url]http://fortune.com/2015/05/22/warren-buffett-minimum-wage/[/url][/quote]

You just love to make this shit up don't you chico? Find a post from anyone that says a company willing to pay it's workers more is wrong???

Funny you quote Warren Buffet yet when it came to the Tax cuts and he was speaking out about how he pays less in taxes than his secretary how much screaming did you do then?I'll remind you none.


Lets just read more about what Warren thinks.

[url]https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/01/14/warren-buffett-on-tax-reform.aspx[/url]

But don't expect the tax cuts to benefit everyday Americans
While Buffett acknowledges that Berkshire's bottom line will be helped by the new tax law, and he predicts the stock market is likely to rise, that doesn't mean he thinks the GOP's tax-reform bill is in the best interest of the American public.

Buffett recently wrote an article for Time magazine in which he explained why trickle-down economics doesn't really work.

The whole idea behind the GOP's tax-reform bill is that the massive tax cut for corporations will "trickle down" to the American public in the form of more jobs and higher wages. And the early indications are that this is somewhat true -- several high-profile companies announced bonuses for their workers or higher minimum wages in the wake of the legislation.

However, Buffett points out that historically, trickle-down economics hasn't had the promised effect. He gives the example of the Forbes 400 list of the richest Americans. Between the first version of the list in 1982 and today, the wealth of the top 400 has multiplied by a factor of 29, from $93 billion to $2.7 trillion. Buffett says that at the same time, "many hardworking citizens remained stuck on an economic treadmill." He added: "During this period, the tsunami of wealth didn't trickle down. It surged upward."

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go back to the when is enough enough thread G1. your act is just boring, at least mooby, matty, jamf, sdskins all try to have useful discussions. you just troll the troll roll.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1201641]To any democrats/liberals in this thread, what are like the top 3-5 policies/ideals/laws/etc. that are the most important to you? I mean this seriously. I think we live in such an us vs. them/take no prisoners world that actual helpful discussions are harder and harder to have. I'd imagine we all have a lot more in common than not, just have different ideas of how to achieve them.[/quote]

First like it or not I am a registered Republican.I'll take a shot

1) Healthcare for everyone . ACA you don't just dump it it,you fix what is wrong with it and you move on .
2)Social Security ,it's a flawed system but you don't fuck with it till you have a better system in place.
3) Welfare ,it's needed but again it's time to fix it .People should work for their money
4) We need to be the Big Player again Fuck Russia ,Fuck China ..this is a World economy but and American company should take care of it's American workers and if it won't, YES, the goverment should make them.
5) Our Military ,it is the best in the World ! We need to take better care of current and former Soldiers .
6) Education ,someone tell me why the first cuts made are always Education

7) Term limits ,including the SCOTUS

I'm sure with more time I can think of others things and this list is not in order of importance either ,just a random list to start.


Okay ,rip me apart!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1201668]go back to the when is enough enough thread G1. your act is just boring, at least mooby, matty, jamf, sdskins all try to have useful discussions. you just troll the troll roll.[/quote]

LOL, and you and your fuck America act is getting thin to.

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[quote=Giantone;1201667]You just love to make this shit up don't you chico? Find a post from anyone that says a company willing to pay it's workers more is wrong???

Funny you quote Warren Buffet yet when it came to the Tax cuts and he was speaking out about how he pays less in taxes than his secretary how much screaming did you do then?I'll remind you none.


Lets just read more about what Warren thinks.

[url]https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/01/14/warren-buffett-on-tax-reform.aspx[/url]

But don't expect the tax cuts to benefit everyday Americans
While Buffett acknowledges that Berkshire's bottom line will be helped by the new tax law, and he predicts the stock market is likely to rise, that doesn't mean he thinks the GOP's tax-reform bill is in the best interest of the American public.

Buffett recently wrote an article for Time magazine in which he explained why trickle-down economics doesn't really work.

The whole idea behind the GOP's tax-reform bill is that the massive tax cut for corporations will "trickle down" to the American public in the form of more jobs and higher wages. And the early indications are that this is somewhat true -- several high-profile companies announced bonuses for their workers or higher minimum wages in the wake of the legislation.

However, Buffett points out that historically, trickle-down economics hasn't had the promised effect. He gives the example of the Forbes 400 list of the richest Americans. Between the first version of the list in 1982 and today, the wealth of the top 400 has multiplied by a factor of 29, from $93 billion to $2.7 trillion. Buffett says that at the same time, "many hardworking citizens remained stuck on an economic treadmill." He added: "During this period, the tsunami of wealth didn't trickle down. It surged upward."[/quote]

[url]https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/high-demand-for-holiday-workers-this-season/1491329535[/url]

[url]https://q13fox.com/2018/09/20/need-a-job-holiday-workers-in-high-demand-across-the-country/[/url]

[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/13/target-to-hire-20percent-more-workers-this-holiday-season.html[/url]


Read the news...higher, competitive demand for holiday worker...higher wages, incentives, perks, employee discount, ETC.

Amazon is getting out in front, trying to keep its workforce...this was a competitive WAGE HIKE due to demand. This was not some bullshit handout...this is business and a strategy by Amazon to retain workforce and compete other employers who are direct competition

This is what happens in a great economy.

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[quote=Chico23231;1201672][url]https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/high-demand-for-holiday-workers-this-season/1491329535[/url]

[url]https://q13fox.com/2018/09/20/need-a-job-holiday-workers-in-high-demand-across-the-country/[/url]

[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/13/target-to-hire-20percent-more-workers-this-holiday-season.html[/url]


Read the news...higher, competitive demand for holiday worker...higher wages, incentives, perks, employee discount, ETC.

Amazon is getting out in front, trying to keep its workforce...this was a competitive WAGE HIKE due to demand. This was not some bullshit handout...this is business and a strategy by Amazon to retain workforce and compete other employers who are direct competition

This is what happens in a great economy.[/quote]

Yeah but we're borrowing at an absurd rate to make it happen, which eventually has consequences.

Trump's tax plan dropped tax rates, so parts of the public are enjoying that significant change, but the federal government has not reduced spending in concert. The deficit has grown significantly larger.

It's the same effect as a stimulus. Obama's was an injection fed by quantitative easing, ours is an injection of Chinese cash buying up more of our debt. It will eventually impact inflation rates and the strength of our currency in a negative way.

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[quote=Giantone;1201670]LOL, and you and your fuck America act is getting thin to.[/quote]

feel free to leave, I was just about to reply to your list as a useful starting point. You can still go

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[quote=Schneed10;1201675]Yeah but we're borrowing at an absurd rate to make it happen, which eventually has consequences.

Trump's tax plan dropped tax rates, so parts of the public are enjoying that significant change, but the federal government has not reduced spending in concert. The deficit has grown significantly larger.

It's the same effect as a stimulus. Obama's was an injection fed by quantitative easing, ours is an injection of Chinese cash buying up more of our debt. It will eventually impact inflation rates and the strength of our currency in a negative way.[/quote]

I agree, and a side note on this, people may have started noticing the fed raising rates, and while individuals may feel a little of that, guess what happens when the federally borrowed money starts having to pay higher rates, it's not a good thing.

I do think the difference on the stimulus vs solid gdp growth, is a lot of the stimulus was borrowed money that doesn't increase the tax base. In sound GDP growth, tax revenues rise as a result. BUT your point is right it's not enough, and Congress needs to stop living in tax and spend environment.

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[quote=Chico23231;1201672][url]https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/high-demand-for-holiday-workers-this-season/1491329535[/url]

[url]https://q13fox.com/2018/09/20/need-a-job-holiday-workers-in-high-demand-across-the-country/[/url]

[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/13/target-to-hire-20percent-more-workers-this-holiday-season.html[/url]


Read the news...higher, competitive demand for holiday worker...higher wages, incentives, perks, employee discount, ETC.

Amazon is getting out in front, trying to keep its workforce...this was a competitive WAGE HIKE due to demand. This was not some bullshit handout...this is business and a strategy by Amazon to retain workforce and compete other employers who are direct competition

This is what happens in a great economy.[/quote]

That started with Obama ,don't forget that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1201676]feel free to leave, I was just about to reply to your list as a useful starting point. You can still go[/quote]

Right back at ya there ...comrade is it?

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[quote=Giantone;1201678]That started with Obama ,don't forget that.[/quote]

ha...its literally hilarious you don't understand. True if you talking the deficit chunks

But Obama at anytime could have enacted measures to get the economy going. Dodd-Frank, Fed Regulatory laws, Tax policy, etc....get into the weeds G1 and you can find the answers.

We agree to disagree

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WOW:

[url]https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/02/trump-trade-canada-china-warning-825358[/url]

Trump’s new loyalty test: Don’t make trade deal with China

[url]https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-affirms-china-trade-aspirations-after-some-say-usmca-impedes-any-deal-1.4118165[/url]

Fucking Ruthless by Trump and Administration. Talk about cut throat...

The new U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement allows any of the countries to withdraw from the deal on six-month's notice if one of the partners enters into a free trade agreement with a non-market economy -- language widely seen as referring to China

The USMCA also requires a member country to provide notice and information to the other two partners if it plans free trade talks with a "non-market" economy

The clause in the new agreement -- which still needs formal approval in all three countries -- gives the other partners a say in the text of such a deal.

Conservative MPs repeatedly referred to that clause as a "Trump veto" during question period, while trade experts remained divided on whether that was in fact the case



This is the type of deal Trump practice in private...just fucking ruthless.

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[quote=Chico23231;1201695]ha...its literally hilarious you don't understand. True if you talking the deficit chunks

But Obama at anytime could have enacted measures to get the economy going. Dodd-Frank, Fed Regulatory laws, Tax policy, etc....get into the weeds G1 and you can find the answers.

We agree to disagree[/quote]

So trump walked in to the same economy as Obama did?

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[quote=Chico23231;1201706]WOW:

[url]https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/02/trump-trade-canada-china-warning-825358[/url]

Trump’s new loyalty test: Don’t make trade deal with China

[url]https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-affirms-china-trade-aspirations-after-some-say-usmca-impedes-any-deal-1.4118165[/url]

Fucking Ruthless by Trump and Administration. Talk about cut throat...

The new U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement allows any of the countries to withdraw from the deal on six-month's notice if one of the partners enters into a free trade agreement with a non-market economy -- language widely seen as referring to China

The USMCA also requires a member country to provide notice and information to the other two partners if it plans free trade talks with a "non-market" economy

The clause in the new agreement -- which still needs formal approval in all three countries -- gives the other partners a say in the text of such a deal.

Conservative MPs repeatedly referred to that clause as a "Trump veto" during question period, while trade experts remained divided on whether that was in fact the case



This is the type of deal Trump practice in private...just fucking ruthless.[/quote]

LOL, fucking stupid .You do realize once trump is gone so is this stipulation...it means squat. He made his administration do it and they are all running for their lives.

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[quote=Giantone;1201707]So trump walked in to the same economy as Obama did?[/quote]

old troll strikes again

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[quote=Giantone;1201708]LOL, fucking stupid .You do realize once trump is gone so is this stipulation...it means squat. He made his administration do it and they are all running for their lives.[/quote]

Do you think China conducts fair trade with the United States?




I find it funny that the left has cozied up to China and Iran recently. Folks are so blinded by their trump syndrome.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1201709]old troll strikes again[/quote]


.............and you still won't answer it honestly.

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[quote=Chico23231;1201710]Do you think China conducts fair trade with the United States?




I find it funny that the left has cozied up to China and Iran recently. Folks are so blinded by their trump syndrome.[/quote]

You lie like trump lies. The left has not cozied up to China,Iran or Russia the way trump has .Try again you trumpette.

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[quote=Chico23231;1201710]Do you think China conducts fair trade with the United States?




I find it funny that the left has cozied up to China and Iran recently. Folks are so blinded by their trump syndrome.[/quote]

It's why trumpettes are called the trump cult.

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When Bush was president, anything positive was due to Clinton's policies and anything bad was Bush's fault. When Obama was president, anything positive was due to his policies, and everything bad was Bush's fault. Now that Trump is president, anything positive is due to Obama's policies, and anything bad is Trump's fault. Its unbelievable but actually quite impressive how a huge section of the democratic machine and its voters think like this.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1201716]When Bush was president, anything positive was due to Clinton's policies and anything bad was Bush's fault. When Obama was president, anything positive was due to his policies, and everything bad was Bush's fault. Now that Trump is president, anything positive is due to Obama's policies, and anything bad is Trump's fault. Its unbelievable but actually quite impressive how a huge section of the democratic machine and its voters think like this.[/quote]

It's mainly G1 here that blows that smoke. Matty, mooby and others all acknowledge the growth and economic success has been part of Trump's policies, albeit they are waiting for the other shoe to drop - deregulation destroying the planet, worker's dying in sweat shop conditions, companies greed bringing the next great depression, etc.

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[quote=Giantone;1201713]You lie like trump lies. The left has not cozied up to China,Iran or Russia the way trump has .Try again you trumpette.[/quote]

[url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/dow-rallies-150-points-to-record-after-strong-jobs-data/ar-BBNRRf0?ocid=ientp[/url]

Dow rallies 150 points to record after strong jobs data



More bad news!!!! G1, I know you hate it!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1201677]I agree, and a side note on this, people may have started noticing the fed raising rates, and while individuals may feel a little of that, guess what happens when the federally borrowed money starts having to pay higher rates, it's not a good thing.

I do think the difference on the stimulus vs solid gdp growth, is a lot of the stimulus was borrowed money that doesn't increase the tax base. In sound GDP growth, tax revenues rise as a result. BUT your point is right it's not enough, and Congress needs to stop living in tax and spend environment.[/quote]

Thank you for being capable of a meaningful discussion. When I'm a pain in the ass at least I'm funny. Chico and G1 need to take it to the kids table.

Agree that the higher GDP growth is driving higher tax base. Unfortunately though the part of the GDP that has grown has been heavier on the corporate side of the ledger, which has led in part to corporations performing stock buybacks, which increases stock prices and those capital gains get taxed. But not at a rate as high as you'd get by taxing wages / regular income. We're seeing wages finally rising some, but not at the same rate as corporate earnings and stock prices.

Trump's position on China of course is leading to tariffs, which of course pads the federal coffers. I'd be interested to see how much of an impact that's having on our deficit. In other words, without it how big would our deficit be? So that part of his approach has to be thrown in the mix. Overall I'm not a fan of protectionist practices but a source of tax revenue is a source of tax revenue.

Overall my concern is our economy feels really strong right now but that strength isn't sustainable. When interest rates eventually rise the impact on our federal budget will be large. Tough choices about our fiscal spending loom and people will eventually feel a lot of pain, it's just a matter of which Americans will bear the burden, and when.

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[quote=Chico23231;1201722][url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/dow-rallies-150-points-to-record-after-strong-jobs-data/ar-BBNRRf0?ocid=ientp[/url]

Dow rallies 150 points to record after strong jobs data



More bad news!!!! G1, I know you hate it![/quote]

Trump may be able to keep this good news going for his entire time in office - if he can keep borrowing to fuel the GDP growth then the getting will stay good while the getting is good.

Eventually though the piper will need to be paid, which might not happen while he's in office, so he won't get blamed. But rest assured his borrowing is setting us up for pain, eventually.

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[quote=Chico23231;1201722][url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/dow-rallies-150-points-to-record-after-strong-jobs-data/ar-BBNRRf0?ocid=ientp[/url]

Dow rallies 150 points to record after strong jobs data



More bad news!!!! G1, I know you hate it![/quote]

You do know that the DOW and the economy are two different things right?



[url]https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/02/08/heres-why-the-dow-jones-industrial-average-doesnt-really-matter.html[/url]


I prefer the S+P 500

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How the government should work: individuals and corporations are taxed at a fair/competitve rate and spending bends to what reasonable and fair tax money is available.

How it actually works: government spends trillions more than we have, tells us all that we need to pay more, creates class warfare among americans, has an uncompetitive corporate tax rate, and the politicians get rich off of lobbyist money, bribes, pork, etc. Talk about a crime family. Legalized mob.

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[quote=Chico23231;1201672][url]https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/high-demand-for-holiday-workers-this-season/1491329535[/url]

[url]https://q13fox.com/2018/09/20/need-a-job-holiday-workers-in-high-demand-across-the-country/[/url]

[url]https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/13/target-to-hire-20percent-more-workers-this-holiday-season.html[/url]


Read the news...higher, competitive demand for holiday worker...higher wages, incentives, perks, employee discount, ETC.

Amazon is getting out in front, trying to keep its workforce...this was a competitive WAGE HIKE due to demand. This was not some bullshit handout...this is business and a strategy by Amazon to retain workforce and compete other employers who are direct competition

This is what happens in a great economy.[/quote]




Pay attention chico............


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/jim-cramer-15-minimum-wage-130000919.html[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1201724]Trump may be able to keep this good news going for his entire time in office - if he can keep borrowing to fuel the GDP growth then the getting will stay good while the getting is good.

Eventually though the piper will need to be paid, which might not happen while he's in office, so he won't get blamed. But rest assured his borrowing is setting us up for pain, eventually.[/quote]
There are solutions that could help reduce the pain, but neither the republicans, democrats, or honestly - a majority of us citizens - want to talk about significantly reducing the spending side of the equation. Without that serious discussion (not demagogued by both sides) it doesn't matter who is president, or what policies are implemented, the debt will eventually consume the revenue taken in.

This shouldn't be a democrat/republican divide, but instead a baseline look at ALL the spending - defense, social security and government aid programs(domestic). The time for bandaids, like foreign aid reductions, and eliminating fraud/waste, etc, is long past. Not that we don't need to look at those areas too, but they don't make up enough of the budget to have any meaningful effect on the course of the debt issue.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1201729]There are solutions that could help reduce the pain, but neither the republicans, democrats, or honestly - a majority of us citizens - want to talk about significantly reducing the spending side of the equation. Without that serious discussion (not demagogued by both sides) it doesn't matter who is president, or what policies are implemented, the debt will eventually consume the revenue taken in.

This shouldn't be a democrat/republican divide, but instead a baseline look at ALL the spending - defense, social security and government aid programs(domestic). The time for bandaids, like foreign aid reductions, and eliminating fraud/waste, etc, is long past. Not that we don't need to look at those areas too, but they don't make up enough of the budget to have any meaningful effect on the course of the debt issue.[/quote]

If you cut 1% off of defense spending you hate all military members. 1% off of welfare and you want all poor people to starve to death. That's how it is for any cut. And politician on both sides play us like fiddles on these issues and get re-elected/rich.

There needs to be across the board/equal spending cuts, but even that won't work because above would still happen. This country needs a serious maturity upgrade all around.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1201729]There are solutions that could help reduce the pain, but neither the republicans, democrats, or honestly - a majority of us citizens - want to talk about significantly reducing the spending side of the equation. Without that serious discussion (not demagogued by both sides) it doesn't matter who is president, or what policies are implemented, the debt will eventually consume the revenue taken in.

This shouldn't be a democrat/republican divide, but instead a baseline look at ALL the spending - defense, social security and government aid programs(domestic). The time for bandaids, like foreign aid reductions, and eliminating fraud/waste, etc, is long past. Not that we don't need to look at those areas too, but they don't make up enough of the budget to have any meaningful effect on the course of the debt issue.[/quote]

Great post, fully agree.

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[quote=Giantone;1201669]First like it or not I am a registered Republican.I'll take a shot

1) Healthcare for everyone . ACA you don't just dump it it,you fix what is wrong with it and you move on .
2)Social Security ,it's a flawed system but you don't fuck with it till you have a better system in place.
3) Welfare ,it's needed but again it's time to fix it .People should work for their money
4) We need to be the Big Player again Fuck Russia ,Fuck China ..this is a World economy but and American company should take care of it's American workers and if it won't, YES, the goverment should make them.
5) Our Military ,it is the best in the World ! We need to take better care of current and former Soldiers .
6) Education ,someone tell me why the first cuts made are always Education

7) Term limits ,including the SCOTUS

I'm sure with more time I can think of others things and this list is not in order of importance either ,just a random list to start.


Okay ,rip me apart![/quote]

What, no one else?

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[quote=Giantone;1201732]What, no one else?[/quote]

[IMG]https://cdn-js.meetedgar.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/No-One-Else.gif[/IMG]

Love this movie.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1201581]This sounds about white.

Congrats on the win![/QUOTE]



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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1201583]1st response, invoke race, liberal strategy 101. You don't need any further responses now. Ths already proves any point you're trying to make. It's just a natural response.[/QUOTE]



I can’t even....so I wont. If you don’t see the hypocrisy by now you never will. Going back to the football threads. I feel like i have to shower again because i came in here,....

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Yeah I shouldn't have responded to that comment at all. Really should only reply to ideas on the subject itself.

It's easy to personalize politics, and I don't want that to happen, because I like talking football with everyone on this site.

HTTR.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1201721]It's mainly G1 here that blows that smoke. Matty, mooby and others all acknowledge the growth and economic success has been part of Trump's policies, albeit they are waiting for the other shoe to drop - deregulation destroying the planet, worker's dying in sweat shop conditions, companies greed bringing the next great depression, etc.[/quote]



Smoke? So you do think trump came into the same economy as Obama did ,that is what you're saying ? Just ask the people at Carrier or Ford about Trumps policies ask all the people hurt by the tariffs ? LOL, your ignorance on deregulation and company greed is only matched by your arrogance .

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[quote=Giantone;1201806]Smoke? So you do think trump came into the same economy as Obama did ,that is what you're saying ? Just ask the people at Carrier or Ford about Trumps policies ask all the people hurt by the tariffs ? LOL, your ignorance on deregulation and company greed is only matched by your arrogance .[/quote]

No, Obama didn't walk in to a slow growth stable economy in his first term. We have agreed on that.

In his second term he did have a more stable economy to work with and gdp remained stagnant for the most part, with the NYT even going so far as to say that there was a minirecession in 2015.

As for tariffs, they were and are part of the trade negotiations, a tool to bring other countries to the discussion. short of China, I don't think the rest of the tariffs went into effect for more than a few months.

But - and this is why your comments are smoke and drivel. You repeat your few mantras over and over with no real intent to discuss, i believe just to derail honest conversations with others

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CNN Breaking news:
BREAKING [URL="https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/05/economy/september-jobs-report/index.html"]Unemployment rate falls to 49-year low[/URL]

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Fake news, I heard it’s more like 30%, maybe 35%, maybe even 80% from what I’m hearing