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Yeah, RGIII is so disliked by Couisins and his teammates:

@john_keim: The offensive line still working nearly 45 minutes after practice. Robert Griffin III still out there too. #Redskins [url]http://t.co/uN6LNtoFAK[/url]

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Dallas traded for Matt Cassel, so no chance of RG3 going there now.

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[quote=Skinzman;1122175]Dallas traded for Matt Cassel, so no chance of RG3 going there now.[/quote]

Shows what I know.. I listed off 4 or 5 QBs.. none of which were Matt Cassell. A lot of us have seen Tyrod Taylor play when he was at VT. I'm not sure what Rex Ryan thinks he's capable of but NFL QB isn't one of my top guesses.. I expected him to keep Cassel just in case..

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Dallas would have had to offer a fortune for him, we still have to play them twice...

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No one is going to trade for him. Romo is getting older, he's injury prone and Dallas still didn't pull the trigger. The Skins will end up cutting him in the off season.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1122237]No one is going to trade for him.[B] Romo is getting older,[/B] he's injury prone and Dallas still didn't pull the trigger. The Skins will end up cutting him in the off season.[/quote]

Romo isn't the only "franchise" quarterback around 35, there are quite a few.
Unless Scot has an unrealistic asking price the fact RG3 is still here speaks volumes of what the league thinks of his future.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1122242]Romo isn't the only "franchise" quarterback around 35, there are quite a few.
Unless Scot has an unrealistic asking price the fact RG3 is still here speaks volumes of what the league thinks of his future.[/quote]

Unless RG3 is willing to redo the contract for 2016 there is no chance of someone trading for him. Period. End of story.. The only real chance the team has at getting trade value here is to make RG3 a partner in the process. He needs to sign a reworked deal for a value that reflects his current market value and in exchange let him pick a few teams that he can veto a trade. This makes both parties winners in the long run.

That said, RG3 may be perfectly happy being on the roster this year and being cut in the offseason. In that event he would have full control of his destiny and the FA market could get him a little more money if a few teams show some interest.

There are teams interested in RG3 who believe that he could be a worthwhile project. It's that 16mil for 2016 that's keeping the phones silent.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1122242]Romo isn't the only "franchise" quarterback around 35, there are quite a few.
[B]Unless Scot has an unrealistic asking price the fact RG3 is still here speaks volumes of what the league thinks of his future.[/B][/quote]

I would agree with this, except that Tim Tebow, who cannot throw a decent NFL pass to save his life, has had multiple opportunities (and brings a lot of distraction).

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[quote=RedskinJake;1122247]Unless RG3 is willing to redo the contract for 2016 there is no chance of someone trading for him. Period. End of story.. The only real chance the team has at getting trade value here is to make RG3 a partner in the process. He needs to sign a reworked deal for a value that reflects his current market value and in exchange let him pick a few teams that he can veto a trade. This makes both parties winners in the long run.

That said, RG3 may be perfectly happy being on the roster this year and being cut in the offseason. In that event he would have full control of his destiny and the FA market could get him a little more money if a few teams show some interest.

There are teams interested in RG3 who believe that he could be a worthwhile project. [B]It's that 16mil for 2016 that's keeping the phones silent[/B].[/quote]

I am just assuming Robert and his agent are smart enough to realize no one
is going to pay him $16 mil for 2016 and he either reworks it or is cut. I could
be wrong, since it is only guaranteed for injury I would assume getting cut means he gets nothing. In reality unless Robert goes on the field and suffers
an injury that puts him out through 2016 that contract is meaningless.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1122259]I am just assuming Robert and his agent are smart enough to realize no one
is going to pay him $16 mil for 2016 and he either reworks it or is cut. I could
be wrong, since it is only guaranteed for injury I would assume getting cut means he gets nothing. In reality unless Robert goes on the field and suffers
an injury that puts him out through 2016 that contract is meaningless.[/quote]

That's correct.. If he gets cut there is no guaranteed money. My point is that having that contract gives him most of the power in this situation. If a team called and were willing to give two #1 picks, we couldn't do anything unless (a) that team would take the 16mil contract, which won't happen (b) RG3 would have to agree to a new deal before the trade or (c) the Redskins would have to agree to pay a portion of his 2016 contract, which would realistically be most or all of it to do a trade. So, in reality, RG3 has a lot of say in what happens here. The odds of getting a deal done that would get us trade value is slim unless it was a situation that the RG3 camp was interested in.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1122249]I would agree with this, except that Tim Tebow, who cannot throw a decent NFL pass to save his life, has had multiple opportunities (and brings a lot of distraction).[/quote]

Griffin will get plenty of chances after he leaves Washington. Away from the sh*t show that has been this team for the last 20 years I wouldn't bet against him turning his career around either.

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I could see him being traded to the Texans before Dallas.

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[quote=SirLK26;1122262]Griffin will get plenty of chances after he leaves Washington. Away from the sh*t show that has been this team for the last 20 years I wouldn't bet against him turning his career around either.[/quote]

Ding Ding Ding we have a WINNER. You are absolutely right.

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[quote=SirLK26;1122262]Griffin will get plenty of chances after he leaves Washington. Away from the sh*t show that has been this team for the last 20 years I wouldn't bet against him turning his career around either.[/quote]

He's never ever going to be a decent QB until he learns to pull the trigger while in the pocket. I don't care what offense he plays in, the windows are tighter in the NFL and wr's are not open as long. Someone is going to have to really coach him up.

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It's just not gonna happen, unless they run RO which gets him hurt in a week or two.

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[quote=SirLK26;1122262]I wouldn't bet against him turning his career around either.[/quote]

So far, 31 GMs are.

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he'll have a chance to float around as a backup for a few years.

tebow got how many chances? and patrick ramsey lasted 9 years in the nfl. 9 years! he didn't have much pocket presence or ANY sense of touch passing.

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[quote=That Guy;1123147]he'll have a chance to float around as a backup for a few years.

tebow got how many chances? and patrick ramsey lasted 9 years in the nfl. 9 years! he didn't have much pocket presence or ANY sense of touch passing.[/quote]

Ramsey also wasn't a diva and rarely if ever was injured. RG3 will get chances but I don't see him making good on them. He needs to be broken down and rebuilt but he's too cocky. By the time he figures it out, it'll be too late. His only chance is if a coach is absolutely in love with him and is dedicated to the dual threat QB. You don't see teams do much of it because it takes an amazing level of overall athletic ability, durability, and football intelligence to pull off at the pro level. RG3 possesses none of those things. You could put Rashad Ross back there and teach him to play QB and end up with just as good a result..

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/177240/bill-polian-id-have-my-scouts-looking-awfully-hard-rg-iii]Bill Polian: 'I'd have my scouts looking awfully hard' at RG III - NFL Nation - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1123137]So far, 31 GMs are.[/quote]

Not really. Teams are just being smart and waiting for free agency. I can practically guarantee he'll have multiple teams to choose from next year.

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I read somewhere that KC has the same amount of int's as JaMarucs Russell but in less pass attempts.

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yeah, kirk's int per pass ratio is pretty bad. smart defenders know he pre-determines his throws some times, so they can bait him. thursday's ints were both pretty awful.

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[quote=SirLK26;1123270]Not really. Teams are just being smart and waiting for free agency. I can practically guarantee he'll have multiple teams to choose from next year.[/quote]Griffin might give Jason Campbell a run for his money as a backup somewhere.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1123353]Griffin might give Jason Campbell a run for his money as a backup somewhere.[/quote]

Sad to say this but JC is twice the QB that RG3 sadly will ever become.

At least with JC - you knew he wasn't going to LOSE you the game, he was just never going to win it with his arm.

Most of the time JC's stats would look like 180 yards and 1 TD with no INT's.

With RG3 - he isn't able to do enough of anything to even control the game, much less win it.

JC had to learn a new offensive system each year he was a pro, and even though i didn't like him, he played solidly if not underwhelmingly....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1123400]Sad to say this but JC is twice the QB that RG3 sadly will ever become.

At least with JC - you knew he wasn't going to LOSE you the game, he was just never going to win it with his arm.

Most of the time JC's stats would look like 180 yards and 1 TD with no INT's.

With RG3 - he isn't able to do enough of anything to even control the game, much less win it.

JC had to learn a new offensive system each year he was a pro, and even though i didn't like him, he played solidly if not underwhelmingly....[/quote]

RG3 accomplished more his rookie year than Jason or Kirk ever accomplished.

I don't even like RG3 anymore but I don't just ignore that he did have an all-time great rookie year.

Now if you want to say the "new" RG3 is trash, I will jump on that bandwagon in a heartbeat.

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Agreed, even if RG3 does nothing from here on out, he did more in 2012 than JC did his entire career. He had one of the best rookie seasons ever and set the league on fire. No reason to discredit him on that.

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Griffin won us a division I'll always like him for that

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1123418]Griffin won us a division I'll always like him for that[/quote]

I mean it wasn't him alone, but he certainly played a key role

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In some ways, as much as I appreciate the 2012 year, it really did send expectations for RGIII through the roof. As SS said, much of the success was attributable to others: Morris, Kyle Shanahan, a defense that actual got turnovers. I am not trying to minimize RGIII's unique contributions, but, perhaps, had instant success not been achieved by completely revamping the offense to cover his shortcomings as a QB, RGIII would have been able to see how far he had to go as a passer.

I dunno - thinking about the expectations and then the being hit by the reality still bums me out.

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No matter what their record ends up being after this season, this is one offseason that I will definitely look forward to. We should have a better idea of what they have or don't have in Cousins as the starter, and RGIII and hopefully all of this drama around him will be gone, and SM can continue to shape this team into a legit contender again....Romo and Manning are aging out, Philly is certainly not dominant at this point....this division is up for grabs this year and the near future!

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I was laying in bed last night going thru my dvr list and I had the skins boys thanksgiving game on there and started watching it.
I watched the first 2 qtrs,there was 1 play where RG dropped back to pass,had plenty of time,went thru 3 progressions and threw it to his 3rd read.The problem was his 2nd read was wide open with no one around him for 5-10 yards and would have gained at least 10 more yards on the play yet inexplicably he didnt pull the trigger to that receiver,we just didnt notice or care back then cause he made up for it,but for whatever reason he's still doing that same thing and now he's not good enough to make up for it

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If I were running this team, and I'm not. Once we go under .500 and end the year on a losing note, which we will, I would fire Gruden and hire Kyle Shannhan and make RGiii the starter, BUT ONLY IF HE WILL AGREE TO RUN THE READ OPTION. Otherwise, I don't see RG3 ever playing again in Washington under any coach.

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[quote=scowan;1123565]If I were running this team, and I'm not. Once we go under .500 and end the year on a losing note, which we will, [B]I would fire Gruden and hire Kyle Shannhan and make RGiii the starter[/B], BUT ONLY IF HE WILL AGREE TO RUN THE READ OPTION. Otherwise, I don't see RG3 ever playing again in Washington under any coach.[/quote]

At this time, I will be formally requesting from Management a forcible move for you to the......Drunk Thread

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[quote=hog1;1123566]at this time, i will be formally requesting from management a forcible move for you to the......drunk thread[/quote]

lmao!

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2012 and RG3 for some Redskin fans is like the first girl they lost their virginity to. They just can't let go of it, move on and get it out of their system.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1123571]2012 and RG3 for some Redskin fans is like the first girl they lost their virginity to. They just can't let go of it, move on and get it out of their system.[/quote]

That is a terrible analogy.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1123574]That is a terrible analogy.[/quote]Well, it kind of applies in two ways:

1. It was so long since we won a division title. Seriously, when was the last time before 2012? 1999? Winning the division was kinda new thing for us.

2. The sunk cost. 3 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick, for a guy that regularly gets destroyed on the field, losing the big advantage he had: speed. I really don't blame Shanahan. We were making stupid decisions before him, barring McCloughan's work, we will certainly continue to make bad decisions via our telemarketing genius owner. And the system Mike and Kyle had for RGIII worked! It's just a shame Griffin gets injured in any system we've seen him in, yes that include college and his knee injury then.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1123571]2012 and RG3 for some Redskin fans is like the first girl they lost their virginity to. They just can't let go of it, move on and get it out of their system.[/quote]

Can you lose your virginity to a second girl???

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1123582]Can you lose your virginity to a second girl???[/quote]

ahahahah

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when i was a teenager i remember some girls "lost" their virginity 2-3 times