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[quote=irish;1088459]The only team that would overpay Orakpo is the Skins.

Giving away draft packs like Xmas presents isnt the way to build a winner and the Skins are a prime example of that.[/quote]

Other than the RG3 trade, when was the last time we gave up picks? I'm all for criticism, but you seem to have pull that out of the Vinny Cerrato criticism bag.

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[quote=Chico23231;1088458]No RG3 burns today? He looked all fake, phoney and like a fraud over there with that fake clipboard, taking them fake notes, you know thats all for show, he really doesnt care right?[/quote]

I can't burn a cripple on the sideline. I hope he was taking notes on Wilson's game.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1088462]Other than the RG3 trade, when was the last time we gave up picks? I'm all for criticism, but you seem to have pull that out of the Vinny Cerrato criticism bag.[/quote]

Hate to bring up the past but I will anyway. That trade is just killing this team right now.

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The Red Zebra media seems to always give Haslett a pass. He doesn't make adjustments and needs to be let go. Give Morris a shot to run the defense. Can't call games and play them scared. Throw to open up the run. It seems that opposing defenses are game planning for the Run.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1088465]Hate to bring up the past but I will anyway. That trade is just killing this team right now.[/quote]

I hear you and agree.

On the other hand. The Skins need a QB. There was nothing else out there to get. PM didn't want to come to us, Luck went first overall, and our crystal ball was broken (drafting Wilson). Who else since that draft has there been available that is great QB or the potential to be one?


Honestly to bad the Cutler trade never went through.

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[quote=mredskins;1088469]I hear you and agree.

On the other hand. The Skins need a QB. There was nothing else out there to get. PM didn't want to come to us, Luck went first overall, and our crystal ball was broken (drafting Wilson). Who else since that draft has there been available that is great QB or the potential to be one?


Honestly to bad the Cutler trade never went through.[/quote]

I dont mind Cutler and think he is decent. But he is one that I think will never win a Superbowl. I just cant see it.

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They need to attack and not play soft at the beginning of games.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1088467]The Red Zebra media seems to always give Haslett a pass. He doesn't make adjustments and needs to be let go. Give Morris a shot to run the defense. Can't call games and play them scared. Throw to open up the run. It seems that opposing defenses are game planning for the Run.[/quote]

That's a trap. Morris has had 0 experience in running a 3-4. I'd rather keep Haz until the end of the season.

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[quote=Chico23231;1088471]I dont mind Cutler and think he is decent. But he is one that I think will never win a Superbowl. I just cant see it.[/quote]

He is better then what we have now and would have stopped us from making that retarded RGIII draft.

At this point I don't want a super bowl I just want watch a team that doesn't look like a shit stain on my underwear.

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[quote=mredskins;1088482]He is better then what we have now and would have stopped us from making that retarded RGIII draft.

[B]At this point I don't want a super bowl I just want watch a team that doesn't look like a shit stain on my underwear[/B].[/quote]


I think you just found your new sig.

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The major things that stood out to me between these two teams last night were team speed and the play in the trenches. We were just outmanned in those areas. I hope in year 2 Gruden continues to upgrade both lines.

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[url=http://realredskins.com/2014/10/07/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-from-redskins-vs-seahawks/]The good, the bad, and the ugly from Redskins vs. Seahawks | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

[quote]—The postgame locker room atmosphere was not exactly festive but in the opinion of many in the media there was too much laughter and joking around going on among players for a team that just lost to fall to 1-4. You don’t necessarily want the atmosphere to be funeral-like after a loss but it should be a bit more somber than it was.[/quote]

<sigh> Definitely a negative...



Why was the defense so night and day at times? If we weren't forcing one of our 9 3-and-outs, we were letting Wilson and Lynch walk all over us. That said, the defense played well enough to win. Meanwhile, the offense outside of Jackson was at very best mediocre, and that dumb little squib kick thing concocted by Forbath and Gruden was part of the reason.

I laugh at the people who are saying we should have went for it on 4th down deep in their territory. WTF is really all I can say. You take those points and you be happy against the best defense in the league. When our defense had a chance to stop the Seahawks on 3rd-and-4 late in the game with us down by only 7, I was extremely grateful Gruden had taken the points. It was the smart thing to do.

Loved DeSean Jackson. If not for him, this game would have been a blowout. And this was against a good defense... I thought he disappeared against good defenses? <sarc>

Morris fumbles more than a lot of backs, but he's still young. In AP's first three years, he fumbled a total of 19 times. Morris has a ways to go to reach that.

[URL="http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/10/pierre-garcon-cant-shake-coverage-resorts-to-yanking-on-richard-shermans-dreadlocks"]Pierre, Pierre[/URL]... :laughing2

On to Arizona. We've been competitive in every loss so far except New York, and that was partially at least due to the injuries. Our depth is better than last year, but the injuries have killed us. I'm guessing we'll be really close to full health against the Cardinals. Definitely a winnable game.

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I don't want to hear about Jay Culter. Behind our offensive line, he would be renamed good ol Saint Nick. Ask Bears fans...they're not too happy over Jay Culter these days.

I do agree with the sentiment that you don't give away draft picks - first round draft picks, and expect to build a team. But let's face it. The season before RGIII and Cousins, the Redskins had John Beck and Rex Grossman. Let that set in for a bit.

Now, who knew that Russell Wilson was going to come in and play like he did? The Seahawks hadn't planned to start him right away. They got lucky with Wilson developing as fast as he did. And they also got lucky that Wilson didn't get hurt.

What gets me is that during the game last night, nobody was saying anything about the hits that Wilson was taking last night. Yeah, Gruden mentioned it, but not like it was when we'd see RGIII take hits. When RGIII ran the same play and took hits - "He's not going to be in the league very long if he's going to continue taking those hits".....Wilson takes the same hit - "Wow, Wilson got rocked but look how great he is!" Double standard in my opinion!

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[quote=skinsguy;1088493]I don't want to hear about Jay Culter. Behind our offensive line, he would be renamed good ol Saint Nick. Ask Bears fans...they're not too happy over Jay Culter these days.

I do agree with the sentiment that you don't give away draft picks - first round draft picks, and expect to build a team. But let's face it. The season before RGIII and Cousins, the Redskins had John Beck and Rex Grossman. Let that set in for a bit.

Now, who knew that Russell Wilson was going to come in and play like he did? The Seahawks hadn't planned to start him right away. They got lucky with Wilson developing as fast as he did. And they also got lucky that Wilson didn't get hurt.

[B]What gets me is that during the game last night, nobody was saying anything about the hits that Wilson was taking last night. Yeah, Gruden mentioned it, but not like it was when we'd see RGIII take hits. When RGIII ran the same play and took hits - "He's not going to be in the league very long if he's going to continue taking those hits".....Wilson takes the same hit - "Wow, Wilson got rocked but look how great he is!" Double standard in my opinion![/quote]
[/B]

Well there's a double standard cause one guy has been healthy in his three seasons and one hasn't. For the most part Wilson protects himself. If Wilson starts getting hurt then it's another story.

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[quote=skinsguy;1088493]I don't want to hear about Jay Culter. Behind our offensive line, he would be renamed good ol Saint Nick. Ask Bears fans...they're not too happy over Jay Culter these days.

I do agree with the sentiment that you don't give away draft picks - first round draft picks, and expect to build a team. But let's face it. The season before RGIII and Cousins, the Redskins had John Beck and Rex Grossman. Let that set in for a bit.

Now, who knew that Russell Wilson was going to come in and play like he did? The Seahawks hadn't planned to start him right away. They got lucky with Wilson developing as fast as he did. And they also got lucky that Wilson didn't get hurt.

What gets me is that during the game last night, nobody was saying anything about the hits that Wilson was taking last night. Yeah, Gruden mentioned it, but not like it was when we'd see RGIII take hits. When RGIII ran the same play and took hits - "He's not going to be in the league very long if he's going to continue taking those hits".....Wilson takes the same hit - "Wow, Wilson got rocked but look how great he is!" Double standard in my opinion![/quote]

Hasnt RG3 missed significant time twice already in less than 3 years? Once avoiding a hit and once being hit. I dont see a double standard. I see the definition of injury prone QB. Dude needs to play smart and undercontrol, RG3 needs to take that away from RW game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1088494][/B]

Well there's a double standard cause one guy has been healthy in his three seasons and one hasn't. For the most part Wilson protects himself. If Wilson starts getting hurt then it's another story.[/quote]

With the hits that Wilson started taking last night, it's possible.

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This sums up the night!

[url]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzXKg9oCAAE0A_R.jpg[/url]

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[quote=skinsguy;1088493]I don't want to hear about Jay Culter. Behind our offensive line, he would be renamed good ol Saint Nick. Ask Bears fans...they're not too happy over Jay Culter these days.

[B]I do agree with the sentiment that you don't give away draft picks - first round draft picks, and expect to build a team[/B]. But let's face it. The season before RGIII and Cousins, the Redskins had John Beck and Rex Grossman. Let that set in for a bit.

Now, who knew that Russell Wilson was going to come in and play like he did? The Seahawks hadn't planned to start him right away. They got lucky with Wilson developing as fast as he did. And they also got lucky that Wilson didn't get hurt.

What gets me is that during the game last night, nobody was saying anything about the hits that Wilson was taking last night. Yeah, Gruden mentioned it, but not like it was when we'd see RGIII take hits. When RGIII ran the same play and took hits - "He's not going to be in the league very long if he's going to continue taking those hits".....Wilson takes the same hit - "Wow, Wilson got rocked but look how great he is!" Double standard in my opinion![/quote]

I'm sure this has been observed before
[url=http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/no-team-can-beat-the-draft/]No Team Can Beat the Draft | FiveThirtyEight[/url]
The big thing it seems is accruing draft picks.

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[quote=Chico23231;1088495]Hasnt RG3 missed significant time twice already in less than 3 years? Once avoiding a hit and once being hit. I dont see a double standard. I see the definition of injury prone QB. Dude needs to play smart and undercontrol, RG3 needs to take that away from RW game.[/quote]

There's no difference between Wilson's game and RGIII's. Both place themselves in danger of getting rocked. Wilson got rocked quite a few times in last night's game. The only difference is that Wilson does a better job of sliding than RGIII. Something in which seems like it was corrected over the offseason by Griffin. Once Wilson starts getting hurt, you guys will see they're mirror images of each other.

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[quote=Chico23231;1088495]Hasnt RG3 missed significant time twice already in less than 3 years? Once avoiding a hit and once being hit. I dont see a double standard. I see the definition of injury prone QB. Dude needs to play smart and undercontrol, RG3 needs to take that away from RW game.[/quote]

Technically no, unless you consider 6(?) quarters of football significant time in his rookie year. He missed very little of the Ravens game, the entire Browns game and very little of the Seattle playoff game. He then missed an offseason, training camp and the preseason, when he was asking to play, so really, this is the first time he's missed "significant" time.

Sure, the offseason after year 1 should have been great for his development and, instead, he was rehabbing. However, those aren't games, so saying he's missed significant time twice is unfair. He HAS sustained 2 major injuries in his 3 years, however, and honestly, most of the rest of this post is arguing semantics, but I really think saying "he's missed significant time twice in 3 years" as though he's missed a bunch of starts is incorrect. He's only missing significant time now.

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[quote=jdlea;1088506]Technically no, unless you consider 6(?) quarters of football significant time in his rookie year. He missed very little of the Ravens game, the entire Browns game and very little of the Seattle playoff game. He then missed an offseason, training camp and the preseason, when he was asking to play, so really, this is the first time he's missed "significant" time.

Sure, the offseason after year 1 should have been great for his development and, instead, he was rehabbing. However, those aren't games, so saying he's missed significant time twice is unfair. He HAS sustained 2 major injuries in his 3 years, however, and honestly, most of the rest of this post is arguing semantics, but I really think saying "he's missed significant time twice in 3 years" as though he's missed a bunch of starts is incorrect. [B]He's only missing significant time now.[/B][/quote]

And not because of a careless or wreckless mistake either.

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[quote=skinsguy;1088503]There's no difference between Wilson's game and RGIII's. Both place themselves in danger of getting rocked. Wilson got rocked quite a few times in last night's game. The only difference is that Wilson does a better job of sliding than RGIII. Something in which seems like it was corrected over the offseason by Griffin. Once Wilson starts getting hurt, you guys will see they're mirror images of each other.[/quote]


Horse shit. There is a night and day difference. You will never see Wislon get hit like a pinball as he is going out of bounds. You will never see him slide late. Unlike RG3 he actually avoids getting hit because he can diagnose when there aren't any more yards to be hand and he is masterful at throwing the ball away.


Check the stats, one hasn't missed a game and the other is on the sidelines. It's not luck, it's better football IQ.

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Positives are Kirk looked better,made some great throws and had some drops
Negatives are too many to list
Haz seems to be catching a lot of hell and I am not a fan,but when all your drives start inside the 20 and most of them are 3 and out and the opponent is starting all their drives on the 40 yard line,well your defense is not going to look good.
I havent heard it brought up about the chop block put on Orakpo that made him leave the game.He's lucky that didnt end his season.Looked like the exact same block that the bronco's did to the Cardinal player to knock him out for the year

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I like how the thread title doesn't plural (pluralize?) Positive, but does Negatives

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As bad as Polumbus has been (and he wasn't great yesterday, although I've seen worse from him), Moses was a statue. On the first pass blocking play, I don't think he even raised his hands up to engage in a block - the D lineman just ran right past him. That was flat out scary -- I thought Cousins was going to be knocked into next week. How is that possible?

Overall, the time they provided Cousins was sufficient to crete some opportunities. He wasn't getting knocked around all day, and few of his throws seemd rushed. The run blocking was apalling (talking to you Niles Paul -- did the concussion cause you to forget how to block, bro?), although, again, going down 17-0 the Redskins understandably felt that they had to get away from the run game at least a bit.

Special teams? Sigh. Was anyone else screaming at the TV that the Seahawks were going to fake the punt? And why would't they with the way our ST unit has played? They had less than a yard and they weren't all that scared of our offense even had it backfired. And it's exactly the kind of thing Peter Carroll does.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1088513]I like how the thread title doesn't plural (pluralize?) Positive, but does Negatives[/quote]

Positive - We didn't get blown out.

Negatives - Everything else?

:saywhat:

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[quote=SmootSmack;1088513]I like how the thread title doesn't plural (pluralize?) Positive, but does Negatives[/quote]

Lol I think I got it right.

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"—The postgame locker room atmosphere was not exactly festive but in the opinion of many in the media there was too much laughter and joking around going on among players for a team that just lost to fall to 1-4. You don’t necessarily want the atmosphere to be funeral-like after a loss but it should be a bit more somber than it was. "

from Tandler article...thats a problem in my opinion.

Id like to see reporters ask Gruden about it today in the presser, but the Vets on the team should be handling that as well.

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Positive:
[LIST]Our punter. Tress Way average 49.9 yards per punt. Incredible.[/LIST][LIST]Kirk Cousins play in the second half. He started out slow in the first half, but seemed to get more aggressive as the game went on.[/LIST][LIST]Defensive adjustment in 2nd half.[/LIST][LIST]Kerrigan's pressure on Russell Wilson.[/LIST][LIST]Only 3 penalties the whole game.[/LIST]
Negatives:
[LIST]Special teams punt coverage (11.8 return average)[/LIST][LIST]kickoffs are still abysmal and led to good field position for Seattle.[/LIST][LIST]Defense in first half. What the fuck were these clowns doing for 10 days?[/LIST][LIST]Kerrigan and Orakpo over pursuing on their rushes to allow Wilson free reign to run. Kerrigan cleaned it up in 2nd half, but Orakpo still fell for it.[/LIST][LIST]Team's attitude after losses. As addressed by Jason Reid.
[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-leaders-laughing-while-on-field-performance-remains-a-joke/2014/10 /07/ce33906c-4e40-11e4-aa5e-7153e466a02d_story.html[/url][/LIST][LIST]Drops from guys in key situations.[/LIST][LIST]3-12 on third down conversions.[/LIST][LIST]Alfred Morris fumbling yet again and not effective last night.[/LIST][LIST]OL being dominated at the point of attack.[/LIST]
Not sure I should really put down "defensive adjustment in 2nd half" as a positive. Truth is, had Seattle not have shot themselves in the foot for most of the 1st half, this game wouldn't have even been remotely close. Twenty one points taken off the board due to stupid mental errors by Seattle. In fact, I'd say they were a bigger value to us than our defense. Not sure how you can neglect Russell Wilson as a runner. I mean for fucks sake, you allowed him damn near 100 yards rushing in the first half. It's too late to wait till the 2nd half for an adjustment because that game should have realistically been over at the half. Stopping Russell Wilson should have been in the game plan.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1088522]Not sure I should really put down "defensive adjustment in 2nd half" as a positive. [B]Truth is, had Seattle not have shot themselves in the foot for most of the 1st half, this game wouldn't have even been remotely close.[/B] Twenty one points taken off the board due to stupid mental errors by Seattle. In fact, I'd say they were a bigger value to us than our defense. Not sure how you can neglect Russell Wilson as a runner. I mean for fucks sake, you allowed him damn near 100 yards rushing in the first half. It's too late to wait till the 2nd half for an adjustment because that game should have realistically been over at the half. Stopping Russell Wilson should have been in the game plan.[/quote]

Mistakes are part of the game. Seattle is lucky their defense kept our offense very limited, otherwise we have a different ball game. Good teams capitalize on those mistakes, bad teams don't period.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1088522]<snip> Not sure I should really put down "defensive adjustment in 2nd half" as a positive. Truth is, had Seattle not have shot themselves in the foot for most of the 1st half, this game wouldn't have even been remotely close. Twenty one points taken off the board due to stupid mental errors by Seattle. In fact, I'd say they were a bigger value to us than our defense. <snip>[/quote]

Two of those Harvin touchdowns came on the same drive, and they ended up with a FG. The other drive with a called-back touchdown eventually resulted in a touchdown anyway. Not sure how to look at that...

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[quote=Ruhskins;1088462]Other than the RG3 trade, when was the last time we gave up picks? I'm all for criticism, but you seem to have pull that out of the Vinny Cerrato criticism bag.[/quote]

Those are the picks that should be at the peak of their careers now.

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[quote=Chico23231;1088519]"—The postgame locker room atmosphere was not exactly festive but in the opinion of many in the media there was too much laughter and joking around going on among players for a team that just lost to fall to 1-4. You don’t necessarily want the atmosphere to be funeral-like after a loss but it should be a bit more somber than it was. "

from Tandler article...thats a problem in my opinion.

Id like to see reporters ask Gruden about it today in the presser, but the Vets on the team should be handling that as well.[/quote]

That's a huge problem. It doesn't matter who plays QB, CB, or any other position if folks don't give a crap about losing.

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[quote=SirLK26;1088525]Two of those Harvin touchdowns came on the same drive, and they ended up with a FG. The other drive with a called-back touchdown eventually resulted in a touchdown anyway. Not sure how to look at that...[/quote]

I look at it as Seattle being unable to score at will on our D. To be clear, they are undoubtedly the better team across the board. But they're not invincible, and saying that the TDs that were called back means that we got lucky doesn't make sense to me. It wasn't as though any of them were bad calls that went our way, to my recollection.

Having said that, our inability to control the ball and run gave Seattle WAY too many chances -- such that they could squander several of them and still put up 27 points on us. And that isn't good.

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They need to kick out half the roster, but Snyder isn't gonna let them. He makes too much money off the team, team may be terrible long as he owns them.

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[quote=calia;1088528]I look at it as Seattle being unable to score at will on our D. To be clear, they are undoubtedly the better team across the board. But they're not invincible, and saying that the TDs that were called back means that we got lucky doesn't make sense to me. It wasn't as though any of them were bad calls that went our way, to my recollection.

Having said that, our inability to control the ball and run gave Seattle WAY too many chances -- such that they could squander several of them and still put up 27 points on us. And that isn't good.[/quote]

Just embarrassing that we let them score on a big play, Seattle gets penalized for something that really had no effect, and then we let them go right down and score again.

But this game was against one of the best teams in the league. Any positives we can get out of this game are positives indeed. Probably the most obvious one is that Cousins protected the football against a great defense.

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[quote=Chico23231;1088519]"—The postgame locker room atmosphere was not exactly festive but in the opinion of many in the media there was too much laughter and joking around going on among players for a team that just lost to fall to 1-4. You don’t necessarily want the atmosphere to be funeral-like after a loss but it should be a bit more somber than it was. "

from Tandler article...thats a problem in my opinion.

Id like to see reporters ask Gruden about it today in the presser, but the Vets on the team should be handling that as well.[/quote]

Some of the vets were part of the clowning going on.



This should be Jay Gruden.

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Gahhhh....already looking forward to the first 2015 draft thread.

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It's a lost season - there's no doubt about it. I'm not sure in hindsight how many of us were justified thinking that maybe things were going to be different this year. We were certainly right to have hope - afterall a new coach and some new players always initially brings some hope.

But we still had the same old typical redskins problems to begin the year - Questions about the offensive line, special teams, and defense. No solid identity at QB.

I also wonder how patient Dan Snyder will be with Jay Gruden - things don't look to good right now and I don't think it's crazy to imagine 1-15, or 3-13 team. Is there anybody out there that we could beat besides Jacksonville?

They say the plan is to start RG3 at week 8 - i don't think that's very smart because by then we are already playing for next year, and if by some reason we are still in the playoff hunt (most likely not possible), you might want to keep Kirk in there if by some way we are still in playoff contention....

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[quote=SirLK26;1088492][URL="http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/10/pierre-garcon-cant-shake-coverage-resorts-to-yanking-on-richard-shermans-dreadlocks"]Pierre, Pierre[/URL]... :laughing2[/quote]Great info, just commenting on the above. If Sherman got away with that pushing frequently, good job by Garcon.