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Yea the Colts and Seahawks are two of the better organizations in Sports. Not surprising those two young QB's are having success there.

Hopefully the Redskins will mimic what they do in order to be successful.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1055735]I would rather have Wilson and the 3 picks back. I think both guys are pretty close ability wise, one isn't significantly better than the other. But Wilson obviously plays for a better team and stronger organization.[/QUOTE]

Hey I want those picks back too lol in sure we all do but it's in the past, no need to be all down about the trade now. I think both will be starters in the league for a long time but I don't see Wilson being better in the long run just my opinion.

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Yep with hindsight being 50/50...lol....most of us would take the picks back and have Wilson, but we can't so we have to hope RG3 can become an elite QB.

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[quote=redskins5044;1055748]Yep with hindsight being 50/50...lol....most of us would take the picks back and have Wilson, but we can't so we have to hope RG3 can become an elite QB.[/quote]


Why? Wilson is nothing special. He's not asked to carry the load and has no pressure on him with Lynch and that defense. He rarely throws for 250 yards and doesn't even top 200 most games. He'll go a few games passing with 60-70% accuracy and then have a string where he completes 40-50%. Kaepernick is the same way. Put him on a team where he's forced to be the one to win games, like Griffin's spot or most other teams in the league and I doubt he'd succeed. Seattle and San Fran are mirror images make-up wise and they're unique situations in a league that has become a pass-first league that requires a franchise QB. These two teams are still wining in the old mold of defense and a strong run game. Both teams win despite who their QBs are, not because of them. Wilson and Kaep have their moments and highlights but neither are the reason their teams are in the NFC Championship.

Griffin has more raw talent than both. He's faster with a stronger arm and until this season, was more accurate. I believe this season will be an anomaly in his career when we look back. Cam Newton was written off by everyone, including myself after his sophomore slump and we're hearing the same things about Griffin. We've seen what he can do. Also, no one can be expected to come back immediately after his surgery without any offseason work and pick up where he left off. Mike Shanahan made a lot of mistakes but his benching of Griffin at the end of this season so he'll have a full offseason might end up being a blessing. I was in the "he needs reps" camp, but missing two straight offseasons could be a career and franchise killer.

He'll be the better QB in the long run. Luck may have more success, at least for the next few years, but both of them will prove to be worth what the teams paid for them.

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The Ravens are interviewing Kyle Shanahan for OC!


I'd love to see him ruin that team too.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000313849/article/manning-explains-what-omaha-means-kind-of?campaign=Twitter_atl]Peyton Manning explains 'Omaha' meaning (kind of) - NFL.com[/url]

The look he gives her when she asked the question was hilarious. :laughing-

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I was wondering why Omaha. I know what it's for, just wondering why that choice.

Also, I think the networks are cranking up a microphone on Manning. His snap counts are so much more audible than other QBs.


Love his reaction though. I bet pro athletes are so sick of dealing with nimrods in the media, whether they'd admit it or not.


Next game, he should change Omaha to El Paso just to confuse the reporters.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/16/jets-rex-ryan-agree-to-multi-year-contract/]Jets, Rex Ryan agree to multi-year contract | ProFootballTalk[/url]

good for the fat man

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Odd that "omaha" is just now getting attention, Eli and others have been saying it for years, among many other things they use for audibles or just part of the snap count. Is this really news?? Good lord.

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[quote=Chico23231;1055824][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/16/jets-rex-ryan-agree-to-multi-year-contract/]Jets, Rex Ryan agree to multi-year contract | ProFootballTalk[/url]

good for the fat man[/quote]

Good move, last thing they need is "coach in final year of contract" drama over there.



And I just had to laugh at this:

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10296932/jimmy-haslam-owner-cleveland-browns-preaches-patience]Jimmy Haslam, owner of Cleveland Browns, preaches patience - ESPN[/url]

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Good to see Zimmer finally get his chance. Well deserved. He has a tough job ahead of him though...

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[url=http://nfl.si.com/2014/01/16/davone-bess-marijuana-photo-cleveland-browns/]Davone Bess appears to tweet out photo of marijuana; Cleveland Browns to investigate | Audibles - SI.com[/url]

Athletes and twitter, a dangerous combination. How stupid are these guys?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1055832]Good to see Zimmer finally get his chance. Well deserved. He has a tough job ahead of him though...[/quote]


If I'm Min I shop AD and start rebuilding

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[quote=Mattyk;1055826]Odd that "omaha" is just now getting attention, Eli and others have been saying it for years, among many other things they use for audibles or just part of the snap count. Is this really news?? Good lord.[/quote]


It's called PEYTON MANNING, I love watching the guy but I'm ready for him and TB to retire. Gets old

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[quote=skinsfan69;1055832]Good to see Zimmer finally get his chance. Well deserved. He has a tough job ahead of him though...[/quote]

Yeah, he's paid his dues. Good luck to him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1055833][url=http://nfl.si.com/2014/01/16/davone-bess-marijuana-photo-cleveland-browns/]Davone Bess appears to tweet out photo of marijuana; Cleveland Browns to investigate | Audibles - SI.com[/url]

Athletes and twitter, a dangerous combination. How stupid are these guys?[/quote]

That is stupid. Everyone knows that Facebook is the place for weed photos. :)

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1055837]It's called PEYTON MANNING, I love watching the guy but I'm ready for him and TB to retire. Gets old[/quote]

ESPN's ready for life without them.

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9460737]ESPN The Mag Body Issue 2013: Colin Kaepernick - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10126704]Should Russell Wilson Try Baseball? - ESPN Video - ESPN[/url]

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Wikipedia has Norv as the Vikings OC.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10300259/calvin-johnson-detroit-lions-had-knee-finger-surgery-offseason]Calvin Johnson of Detroit Lions has had knee, finger surgery in offseason - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1055845]Wikipedia has Norv as the Vikings OC.[/quote]

Great source! This morning they were close to a deal.


One that is confirmed, our old guy Keenan McCardell has just taken the WR coaching position for the Terps.


Has anyone heard the outcome or any updates on Morocco Brown's interview with Tampa Bay?

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[quote=Monkeydad;1055848][B]Great source! This morning they were close to a deal.[/B]


One that is confirmed, our old guy Keenan McCardell has just taken the WR coaching position for the Terps.


Has anyone heard the outcome or any updates on Morocco Brown's interview with Tampa Bay?[/quote]

Yeah, that's why I didn't link, or make bold statements, but just put it out there. It would be a good place for Norv, and pretty good news for AP too.

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Good riddance, bad to suggest a name change when you know how the owner and fans feel about. Won't miss him at all.

[url=http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4610508]DeAngelo Hall: Redskins Name 'Probably Should' Change (VIDEO)[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1055836]If I'm Min I shop AD and start rebuilding[/quote]

I wonder what AP would command on the open market? So many teams with good RB's.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1055878]Good riddance, bad to suggest a name change when you know how the owner and fans feel about. Won't miss him at all.

[URL="http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4610508"]DeAngelo Hall: Redskins Name 'Probably Should' Change (VIDEO)[/URL][/quote]

Non issue.

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[quote=Chico23231;1055657][B]your right Matt Flynn woulda got them the title. obviously.

[/B]

Thats right Okie, Russell Wilson from the mean streets of Richmond Va.[B]HTTRW[/B]![/quote]

I don't remember saying that, but to say that they would be 8-8 with that defense, running game, and homefield advantage is a little stretching it.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1055878]Good riddance, bad to suggest a name change when you know how the owner and fans feel about. Won't miss him at all.

[url=http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4610508]DeAngelo Hall: Redskins Name 'Probably Should' Change (VIDEO)[/url][/quote]

Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind bringing him back at a short term deal. We're probably going to replace Josh Wilson, I don't think we need to get 2 new starters at cornerback especially with so many other holes on the team.

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Vontae Davis + David Amerson

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[quote=Mattyk;1055826]Odd that "omaha" is just now getting attention, Eli and others have been saying it for years, among many other things they use for audibles or just part of the snap count. Is this really news?? Good lord.[/quote]Instant news cycles take five years to set in.

Related: I really think the Shanahans have this team on the right track, should see some payoff soon.

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[quote=mooby;1055892]Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind bringing him back at a short term deal. We're probably going to replace Josh Wilson, I don't think we need to get 2 new starters at cornerback especially with so many other holes on the team.[/quote]

I agree. Maybe we can find another starter-quality CB and then have him, Amerson, and Hall playing in nickel packages.

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[quote=mooby;1055892][B]Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind bringing him back[/B] at a short term deal. We're probably going to replace Josh Wilson, I don't think we need to get 2 new starters at cornerback especially with so many other holes on the team.[/quote]

That's not crazy at all. We need to bring him back. Why would you create a hole in an already bad secondary by releasing your best DB?

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Think that everybody is getting sick and tired of Brady and Belichick to be honest with you all!

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[quote=JPPT1974;1055903]Think that everybody is getting sick and tired of Brady and Belichick to be honest with you all![/quote]



...never get sick of watching 2 of the very best ever .

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[url=http://www.tmz.com/2014/01/17/new-york-jets-star-kellen-winslow-jr-target-parking-lot/?adid=hero1]New York Jets Star -- Masturbated In Target Parking Lot ... Witness Says | TMZ.com[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1055961][URL="http://www.tmz.com/2014/01/17/new-york-jets-star-kellen-winslow-jr-target-parking-lot/?adid=hero1"]New York Jets Star -- Masturbated In Target Parking Lot ... Witness Says | TMZ.com[/URL][/quote]

Cut KW2 a break, he's a soldier remember?

Also in the running for the "not the smartest idea" prize is Davone Bess, for [URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/browns-receiver-davone-bess-arrested-assaulting-officer-144723126--nfl.html"]allegedly assaulting a cop[/URL].

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1055961][url=http://www.tmz.com/2014/01/17/new-york-jets-star-kellen-winslow-jr-target-parking-lot/?adid=hero1]New York Jets Star -- Masturbated In Target Parking Lot ... Witness Says | TMZ.com[/url][/quote]



Not as bad as this Eagles fan:

[url=http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/weird/Swiss-Cheese-Pervert-Arrest-240553061.html]"Swiss Cheese Pervert" Arrested: Police | NBC 10 Philadelphia[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1055965]Cut KW2 a break, he's a soldier remember?

Also in the running for the "not the smartest idea" prize is Davone Bess, for [URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/browns-receiver-davone-bess-arrested-assaulting-officer-144723126--nfl.html"]allegedly assaulting a cop[/URL].[/quote]

I posted about Bess in another thread before I saw this. Sorry, didn't mean to steal your thunder.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1055974]Not as bad as this Eagles fan:

[url=http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/weird/Swiss-Cheese-Pervert-Arrest-240553061.html]"Swiss Cheese Pervert" Arrested: Police | NBC 10 Philadelphia[/url][/quote]

His johnson can fit in a swiss cheese hole? Poor guy, that's puny.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1055793]Why? Wilson is nothing special. He's not asked to carry the load and has no pressure on him with Lynch and that defense. [B]He rarely throws for 250 yards and doesn't even top 200 most games. [/B]He'll go a few games passing with 60-70% accuracy and then have a string where he completes 40-50%. Kaepernick is the same way. Put him on a team where he's forced to be the one to win games, like Griffin's spot or most other teams in the league and I doubt he'd succeed. Seattle and San Fran are mirror images make-up wise and they're unique situations in a league that has become a pass-first league that requires a franchise QB. These two teams are still wining in the old mold of defense and a strong run game. Both teams win despite who their QBs are, not because of them. Wilson and Kaep have their moments and highlights but neither are the reason their teams are in the NFC Championship.

Griffin has more raw talent than both. He's faster with a stronger arm and until this season, was more accurate. I believe this season will be an anomaly in his career when we look back. Cam Newton was written off by everyone, including myself after his sophomore slump and we're hearing the same things about Griffin. We've seen what he can do. Also, no one can be expected to come back immediately after his surgery without any offseason work and pick up where he left off. Mike Shanahan made a lot of mistakes but his benching of Griffin at the end of this season so he'll have a full offseason might end up being a blessing. I was in the "he needs reps" camp, but missing two straight offseasons could be a career and franchise killer.

He'll be the better QB in the long run. Luck may have more success, at least for the next few years, but both of them will prove to be worth what the teams paid for them.[/quote]

Didn't Griffin have these same kind of games in 2012? When we clinched the division against Dallas I don't think Griffin had 100 yards passing. Nothing wrong with your Qb running a conservative offense when you have a dominant run game and great defense. I'll take our 2012 offense over the one I saw this year.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1055893]Vontae Davis + David Amerson[/quote]

I'd honestly rather have Hall and Amerson back, along with possibly a healthy Crawford and play a lot more bump and run.

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[quote=Lotus;1055982]I posted about Bess in another thread before I saw this. Sorry, didn't mean to steal your thunder.[/quote]

It's all good bro.