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[quote=Mattyk;1052029]Burns officially fired.[/quote]

thank the lord

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Who is the weakest NFL head coach still employed at the moment? Schiano? Garrett? Seems like the NFL has done a leaguewide purge of the my-way loser coaches. Redskins finally decided to join the party today.

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Well, back to square one now. Oh well. As far as the assistant coaches go, doesn't matter who we keep for now or who we let go, I expect the new coach will make final decisions as to who is on his staff.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1052035]Who is the weakest NFL head coach still employed at the moment? Schiano? Garrett? Seems like the NFL has done a leaguewide purge of the my-way loser coaches. Redskins finally decided to join the party today.[/quote]

Garrett and Schwartz by far

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I'm glad to see Danny eating that last 7 million dollars. How long til the Shanahan apologists come trolling in and start blaming Snyder for being an awful owner?

He hasn't always made the best decisions but dude wants to win, period.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1052042]I'm glad to see Danny eating that last 7 million dollars. How long til the Shanahan apologists come trolling in and start blaming Snyder for being an awful owner?

He hasn't always made the best decisions but dude wants to win, period.[/quote]

Snyder is not w/out blame here. Obviously he did some things that undermined his head coach.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1052042]I'm glad to see Danny eating that last 7 million dollars. How long til the Shanahan apologists come trolling in and start blaming Snyder for being an awful owner?

He hasn't always made the best decisions but dude wants to win, period.[/quote]

Closer to $13M for the whole staff, and another $10M or so to hire a new one. That's a lot of cheddar.

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[quote=Chico23231;1052038]Garrett and Schwartz by far[/quote]Schwartz is a meh coach.

I'd milk one more year out of him in 2014. You can still try to sell the 2011 playoff appearance to the fan base. If you wait until after 2014 to change coaches, you're one year closer to getting out of cap hell. If you change coaches now, it's auto failure for the next guy. Stafford isn't an NFL quarterback.

Exact same situation in Dallas with Garrett, except that I feel his decision making is actively part of the problem. Dallas can milk a rebuilding year out of him, but they have to change before they compete.

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[quote=irish;1052030]Absolutely. MS was the established pro coach the team thought it needed after the Zorn mess. Unfortunately the owner is still involved in draft decisions and being players buddies. Until that changes this team will continue to be a joke.[/quote]

I don't know if anything I can say to make you understand that Shannhan drafted RG3 to save his hide. Shannahan had complete control of personnel. All decisions were Shannhan's. Owners always have relationships with their super stars. To say Dan should not speak to RG3 is crazy.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1052048]Snyder is not w/out blame here. Obviously he did some things that undermined his head coach.[/quote]This head coach?

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I don't know how many MS apologizers still exist out there. This has gone from bad to worse to a total shit show in the last eight weeks.

Good Riddance on the ousting of MS and cronies.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1052052]Schwartz is a meh coach.

I'd milk one more year out of him in 2014. You can still try to sell the 2011 playoff appearance to the fan base. If you wait until after 2014 to change coaches, you're one year closer to getting out of cap hell. If you change coaches now, it's auto failure for the next guy. Stafford isn't an NFL quarterback.

Exact same situation in Dallas with Garrett, except that I feel his decision making is actively part of the problem. Dallas can milk a rebuilding year out of him, but they have to change before they compete.[/quote]

Schwartz ended what 0-4? They should have had control of that division with the Bears and Green Bay floundering. Schwartz convinced me in the last month he is horrible. He challenges Shanny and Garrett and I think may have my top spot as worse coach in the league.

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[quote=Mattyk;1052050]Closer to $13M for the whole staff, and another $10M or so to hire a new one. That's a lot of cheddar.[/quote]

Dan is spending the cheddar. Dan, it is your money, never hire someone that can position themselves to make you have to swallow in order to fire them. Make them accountable.

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[quote=Chico23231;1051986]can we re hire Burns again and then fire him again? Seems like he should be fired a couple times for that shit show[/quote]

Lmao, this made me almost a spit out my milk.

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Redskins football, wash, rinse, repeat. Doesn't matter who they hire, under Snyder they are never going to be what they were 20+ years ago.

Shanahan was a bad hire to begin with, someone who's best days were behind him. Snyder likes the splashy name though. The culture and attitude on this team is so rotten to the core though, it doesn't matter who comes in, they are 4-5 years from contending, if they're serious this time, but I doubt it.

Meh.

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[quote=Chico23231;1052060]Schwartz ended what 0-4? They should have had control of that division with the Bears and Green Bay floundering. Schwartz convinced me in the last month he is horrible. He challenges Shanny and Garrett and I think may have my top spot as worse coach in the league.[/quote]
He needed to put Stafford on the bench, and he can't be let off the hook for that. But by not doing so, he took a huge bullet for his organization. I hope everyone realizes that.

The Lions are a bad franchise.

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No one challenges Shanahan. We'll never see coaching that bad no matter how long the NFL is around. You'll be able to tell future generations tales of such incompetence.

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Shanahan failed but I for one thought it would work.
But [I]Shanahan[/I] failed.
I am not gonna blame Snyder for putting faith that Mike Shanahan could get it done as a GM/HC. I would have never expected his coaching would be a bigger problem then his GM skills.

Moving forward this team can have success fairly quickly they have many pieces in place and a lot of money/cap space.

We do need a new model in the front office. And it appears Bruce Allen has assumed that role.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1052048]Snyder is not w/out blame here. Obviously he did some things that undermined his head coach.[/quote]

Oh, please! The things that were reported as meddling by Snyder were small potatoes.

I think that Shanahan and his media mouthpieces blew up a few minor annoyances to Shanahan into the appearance that he was somehow hindered in doing his job by Snyder's meddling. What a crock that is!

We finished 3-13! We went 0-8 without a single win in the second half of the season! We didn't win a single division game! How bad does a team's performance have to be before the HC takes the blame?

A trained monkey, blindfolded and put in a straight jacket by Dan Snyder, could have coached this team to a win over [U]somebody[/U] in the second half of the season.

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Tweeted by Mike @Espngreeny: #Redskins
RT "@kentbabb: The roster is jacked, QB is a diva/head case, owner a meddlesome maniac, and there's no 1st-rd pick. Terrible job"

Can't say I disagree..


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[quote=skinsfan69;1052048]Snyder is not w/out blame here. Obviously he did some things that undermined his head coach.[/quote]

I think what is obvious is that Shanny is a very insecure person. I think Snyder did some things that the insecure Shanny considered "damaging" but that a confident well-adjusted HC would have been able to handle pretty easily. If being friends with the team's QB is what people want to hang their hats on to support Shanny and vilify Snyder then you have a tremendously weak argument.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1052074]I think that Shanahan and his media mouthpieces blew up a few [B]minor annoyances[/B] to Shanahan into the appearance that he was somehow hindered in doing his job by Snyder's meddling. What a crock that is![/quote]

That was the problem. What might seem like minor annoyances to us and probably most people were big problems for Shanahan. He was obsessed with controlling everything. Whenever he felt even remotely threatened he got all weaselly Machiavellian. I think he might actually be crazy.

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I know David Shaw might not be interested but I hope the Redskins make an attempt to reach out to him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1052048]Snyder is not w/out blame here. Obviously he did some things that undermined his head coach.[/quote]

Do you have proof of this?
You should if it's obvious.

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[quote=Brody81;1052084]Tweeted by Mike @Espngreeny: #Redskins
RT "@kentbabb: The roster is jacked, QB is a diva/head case, owner a meddlesome maniac, and there's no 1st-rd pick. Terrible job"

Can't say I disagree..


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Its one thing to say RG3 is a diva, then it's another to call him a headcase. I guess the insults just get easier to toss. I swear the media is redic, and then people agree? please.

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[quote=FRPLG;1052085]I think what is obvious is that Shanny is a very insecure person. I think Snyder did some things that the insecure Shanny considered "damaging" but that a confident well-adjusted HC would have been able to handle pretty easily. If being friends with the team's QB is what people want to hang their hats on to support Shanny and vilify Snyder then you have a tremendously weak argument.[/quote]

Well I will agree that he's probably insecure. That's something a Gibbs could probably handle. And as I've said before, if it's a more established player then it's fine. A rookie? Not a good thing at all. Hopefully the next coach won't have to put up with it, or is secure enough to ignore it.

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Well we'll disagree on whether in this situation it was much of a problem or whether the reporting on it is very accurate anyways but...

[quote=skinsfan69;1052093]Hopefully the next coach won't have to put up with it, or is secure enough to ignore it.[/quote]

It shouldn't be ignored. If (big if to me) it is some type of problem the HC has to handle it. Not by trying to manipulate the situation in a deceitful and shameless way but by dealing it with it like a damn responsible adult.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1052093]Well I will agree that he's probably insecure. That's something a Gibbs could probably handle. And as I've said before, if it's a more established player then it's fine. A rookie? Not a good thing at all. Hopefully the next coach won't have to put up with it, or is secure enough to ignore it.[/quote]


[url=http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20131230/Redskins-Shanahan.Fired/]Redskins fire coach Shanahan after 3-13 season | Comcast[/url]


Shanahan demanded - and received - contractual control over all football matters when he joined the Redskins, and he repeatedly emphasized the need to run a disciplined organization with a sense of decorum. He weeded out the disgruntled players - most notably Albert Haynesworth - but ultimately was unable to stymie what he called the ''circus atmosphere'' that has permeated the Redskins under Snyder. Leaks, rumors and power struggles were just as bad as before. He leaves with the same regular-season winning percentage (.375) in Washington as Spurrier and Zorn.
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[QUOTE=Giantone;1052098][url=http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/sports-nfl/20131230/Redskins-Shanahan.Fired/]Redskins fire coach Shanahan after 3-13 season | Comcast[/url]


Shanahan demanded - and received - contractual control over all football matters when he joined the Redskins, and he repeatedly emphasized the need to run a disciplined organization with a sense of decorum. He weeded out the disgruntled players - most notably Albert Haynesworth - but ultimately was unable to stymie what he called the ''circus atmosphere'' that has permeated the Redskins under Snyder. Leaks, rumors and power struggles were just as bad as before. He leaves with the same regular-season winning percentage (.375) in Washington as Spurrier and Zorn.
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If I remember correctly the whole Haynesworth situation was a circus atmosphere in itself.

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4 years ago we were all singing praises and saying how we finally have a legit football coach and how this is the last hope the skins have of turning things around.

1 year ago the football world was ours. ROY stud qb, high scoring dynamic offense.

Present day, most skins fans are either cursing the coach, the young qb and owner.

This isnt good. I dont know why people are acting so happy right now.

This means we as a franchise has failed miserably yet again. This means the last hope we had 4 years ago and last year is gone . . .

Shanahan had to go as i do believe he leaked that story of him wanting to leave in an attempt to jump ahead in the PR war over his dismal record.

I give DS tons of credit for holding steady until after the season and actually showing some sort of patience. If he had fired mike 3 games ago i believe his rep as an owner would have taken another hit . . .despite this fanbase foaming at the mouth for blood.

DS i give you props. You actually showed more restraint than our impatient knee-jerk fair fan brethren.

Another great thing is that (like mike said in his presser), we as a franchise are finally done with cap problems. no more AH, portis, arch deluxe etc bad contracts or cap penalties. Of course bruce allen deserves alot of credit for cleaning up our salary cap.

cap wise we are a better franchise. bruce is better than vinny. i wonder how much of an influence bruce had on keeping dan patient and waiting until the end of the season?

I don't get all the happiness either.

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[quote=Brody81;1052084]Tweeted by Mike @Espngreeny: #Redskins
RT "@kentbabb: The roster is jacked, QB is a diva/head case, owner a meddlesome maniac, and there's no 1st-rd pick. Terrible job"

Can't say I disagree..

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[QUOTE=30gut;1052103]Wait, let me guess....you're Mike Shanahan?[/QUOTE]


I wish!! I would be 6 million heavier in the pocket to sit home for a year..


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[quote=over the mountain;1052100]4 years ago we were all singing praises and saying how we finally have a legit football coach and how this is the last hope the skins have of turning things around.

1 year ago the football world was ours. ROY stud qb, high scoring dynamic offense.

Present day, most skins fans are either cursing the coach, the young qb and owner.

This isnt good. I dont know why people are acting so happy right now.

This means we as a franchise has failed miserably yet again. This means the last hope we had 4 years ago and last year is gone . . .

Shanahan had to go as i do believe he leaked that story of him wanting to leave in an attempt to jump ahead in the PR war over his dismal record.

I give DS tons of credit for holding steady until after the season and actually showing some sort of patience. If he had fired mike 3 games ago i believe his rep as an owner would have taken another hit . . .despite this fanbase foaming at the mouth for blood.

DS i give you props. You actually showed more restraint than our impatient knee-jerk fair fan brethren.

Another great thing is that (like mike said in his presser), we as a franchise are finally done with cap problems. no more AH, portis, arch deluxe etc bad contracts or cap penalties. Of course bruce allen deserves alot of credit for cleaning up our salary cap.

cap wise we are a better franchise. bruce is better than vinny. i wonder how much of an influence bruce had on keeping dan patient and waiting until the end of the season?[/quote]
1000% agree. Really sad day.

Vinny walking out was awesome but this is just horrible.

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I think what I will miss most is his ready smile.

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[quote=over the mountain;1052100]4 years ago we were all singing praises and saying how we finally have a legit football coach and how this is the last hope the skins have of turning things around.

1 year ago the football world was ours. ROY stud qb, high scoring dynamic offense.

Present day, most skins fans are either cursing the coach, the young qb and owner.

This isnt good. I dont know why people are acting so happy right now.

This means we as a franchise has failed miserably yet again. This means the last hope we had 4 years ago and last year is gone . . .

Shanahan had to go as i do believe he leaked that story of him wanting to leave in an attempt to jump ahead in the PR war over his dismal record.

I give DS tons of credit for holding steady until after the season and actually showing some sort of patience. If he had fired mike 3 games ago i believe his rep as an owner would have taken another hit . . .despite this fanbase foaming at the mouth for blood.

DS i give you props. You actually showed more restraint than our impatient knee-jerk fair fan brethren.

[B]Another great thing is that (like mike said in his presser), we as a franchise are finally done with cap problems. no more AH, portis, arch deluxe etc bad contracts or cap penalties. Of course bruce allen deserves alot of credit for cleaning up our salary cap. [/B]

[B]cap wise we are a better franchise. bruce is better than vinny. i wonder how much of an influence bruce had on keeping dan patient and waiting until the end of the season?[/quote][/B]

On the business side we're better, but on the field we're still a bad team w/out that 2nd overall pick... and are going the free agent route to improve the team. That model hasn't worked here. We need to really hit on some draft picks...a few more Jordan Reed's and Alfred Morris types. Even another Amerson who I think has the skills to be a great player.

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It's finally over. I hope we all can get behind the next HC and direction of the team. There's lots of great candidates out there for HC, DC, and OC.

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I thought Shanahan deserved one more year to get things right. Bring back the crew (including Haslett) to right the ship that went off course. Sad day indeed.





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[quote=skinsfan69;1052113][/B]

On the business side we're better, but on the field we're still a bad team w/out that 2nd overall pick... and are going the free agent route to improve the team. That model hasn't worked here. We need to really hit on some draft picks...a few more Jordan Reed's and Alfred Morris types. Even another Amerson who I think has the skills to be a great player.[/quote]

Agreed. Free Agency should be viewed as the accessories to a house but not the foundation to build upon.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1052123]I thought Shanahan deserved one more year to get things right. Bring back the crew (including Haslett) to right the ship that went off course. Sad day indeed.





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Agreed. Would have liked to see the continuity in this offense with RG3 completing a full offseason at improving at the QB position and seeing what we could have done with almost $40 million in cap space *sigh*