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What kind of adjustments can Haslett make when they can't make the tackles and also hit and fill the gaps? It is his fault though that they can't tackle.

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I hate that Kyle is keeping Griffin in the pocket like a sitting duck. Where are the bootlegs to get him to the edge? That was a staple in Shanny's Super Bowl years in Denver, and was used very successfully last year in Kirk's win over Cleveland.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1025878]What kind of adjustments can Haslett make when they can't make the tackles and also hit and fill the gaps? It is his fault though that they can't tackle.[/quote]


The tackling portion is on the players, but it wasn't just tackling.

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RG3 is not 100% no matter what they say. Offense is exposed because of this. They key on Morris for the run and our o-line can't pass protect. This hurts the defense but there are way to many miss tackles being made.... Haslett - if defense does no better in the next 2 weeks should be gone... never liked him anyway. MS has to protect RG3. Makes me wonder if we should have waited until after the bye week to have RG3 start....

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[quote=NC_Skins;1025880]The tackling portion is on the players, but it wasn't just tackling.[/quote]

Everything starts with tackling. And it also is Hasletts fault. I'm not going to sit here and argue the importance of tackling with anyone again. If you tackle, those quick passes are less effective and maybe they get away from that.

It changes the whole complexion of the game.

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If tackling is an issue, there needs to be some major time put into fixing that. They need to focus on the basics again. Tackling, catching, man coverage. In that order. They fixed the (rb) ball protection from last week but they still have these major issues still.

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Pathetic display all around, again. Hype has given way to complete embarrassment. It all starts with poor preparation and attitude. Again Shanahan fails to have them ready to play on either side of the ball. People can sugar coat things all they want but this is a mess. They still are taking bad penalties (personal fouls, etc seem to be a hallmark of Shanahan's time here) and overall playing awful football with a depressing lack of fundamentals. I guess months of offseason wasn't enough time to get ready.

Loved Merriweather celebrating making a tackle, after his man picked up ten yards and a first down. Well done. That's the kind of attitude this team has had for months, just like the Nationals. Read their overhyped press clippings and basically figured they didn't have to work. And the Eagles and Packers have carved them up like roasts.

Ugly business.

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I'm not as down on Merriweather as everyone else is. At least he tackles and he hits hard. He is the best Redskins db on the field when he's out there.

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Everything went downhill after we cut Pat White.

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In all seriousness, it could be argued that the Redskins defense and the game turned for the worse when Merriweather was injured and left the game.

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Pathetic pitiful performance.

Going into the bye at 1-3 is the best case scenario.

I'm disgusted.

^ Oakland obviously isn't a push over. They have played well 2 weeks in a row. Even though today was against jax

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1025875]I think the bad offense exposes our bad defense.

[B]People act like they were expecting to have a top 10 defense, hell we were 28th in defense last year. We have rookies in the secondary, no #1 CB, an old ass linebacker who should've hung it up... Did you expect something better?[/B]

One of the reasons we did so well last season? ...We had a functioning on all cylinders offense. When your offense works, then your defense doesn't HAVE to work as hard.

What you're seeing now is what we really are and always have been as of late. Don't act surprised now.[/quote]

People are expecting that, because Cofield, Orakpo and other Redskins were saying "Theres no reason we shouldn't be a top 10 defense".

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1025874]U guys say Griffin didn't play well? He had over 300 yards and 3 tds. When is the last time we had a QB do that in back to back games?? Exactly.

Kerrigan is a beast
Orakpo is not
Merriweather needs to be cut anyway.
Garcon is solid
Reed looks like he'll be a beast
Morris did OK nothing great.
Trent Williams is a monster

Other than that we really have some major major issues everywhere else[/quote]

I didn't think RGIII played well when it mattered and the game was still winnable.

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My point is simple, missed tackles will lose you the game. I don't feel like looking it up, but how many missed tackles do we have through the first two weeks? I'm sure we are close to leading the leauge in that stat. We have got to do better when we have a shot at getting a guy down.

As far as the O goes, it's whatever. Nobody looks on the same page, and the numbers we are putting up are when the other team is up 20 points. PG had a big day, Morris had over 100 yards, but that was after GB was up by so much at the half. I'm all about RGIII, but a few more weeks like this (the sky is not falling) and I'll start to wonder what happened, and why we haven't taken a look at Kurt. We are far from being out of the running since all the NFC East looked like hell today. Just gotta figure some sh@t out....

^ Kurt? Warner?

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This feels like we're making excuses for our pitiful performance. Honestly we're bad enough that I think our next improvement will be a competitive game. I don't expect us to be this bad in the second half of the season, but then again I didn't think we would look so terrible right now.

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Yeah, the Redskins could VERY likely go 0-4 until they show me otherwise. Raiders aren't good, but they can still beat us. Plus Haslett sucks at making a gameplan against a mobile QB.

The Lions, Reggie Bush can break off huge runs against us, and Calvin Johnson makes great secondaries look bad. Plus the Lions have a good front 7 that can shut down our running game making us one dimensional and make Griffin throw the ball out quick.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1025897]People are expecting that, because Cofield, Orakpo and other Redskins were saying "Theres no reason we shouldn't be a top 10 defense".[/quote]

They should know better, but I wouldn't expect them to come out and say they suck and still need work.

But we should know better as well. I'll admit I thought with a healthy front 4 we'd take some heat off our secondary but they're still just as bad as ever.

As much as I lay the majority of the blame on the O, the defense still needs to do better, mostly in the stretch (after the half).

The Redskins D is just fundamentally bad. Crazy penalties, mind-boggling horrible tackling... I don't know how this can happen so consistently at the pro level.

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For The record: Redskins have been out gained in yards 695-230 in the first half this season. They have been out scored 50-7, with the lone TD coming from a defensive TD against Philadelphia.

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^ But I'll remain optimistic and say 2-2 at the Bye.

The Bye which happened to come at a great time seeing how off we look.

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The problem is if rg3 struggles than shanny will be on the hot seat ....yes we won the divison but out of the 4 years as a head coach his win lose season would be 1 out of the 4 seasons and that's not good espically with his resume of bad defense.


If rg3 doesn't improve than that's not good....people also don't point out that he will likely get injured and that alone is a worry!!!.

If kirk starts that's trouble since I believe at this point with all this rg3 rusty stuff would be than our best choice .

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I think we lose to detroit and oakland is not a bad team infact they might beat us we are not good against oakland and mcfadden going to have 100 yards could be trouble. I think our first win is against dallas.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1025884]If tackling is an issue, there needs to be some major time put into fixing that. They need to focus on the basics again. Tackling, catching, man coverage. In that order. They fixed the (rb) ball protection from last week but they still have these major issues still.[/quote]

I would make them practice in full pads, full contact. This is a pitiful tackling team.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1025912]I would make them practice in full pads, full contact. This is a pitiful tackling team.[/quote]

Are they even allowed to do that at this point? I know every team is at the same "disadvantage" but I think the lack of hitting in training camps is a big reason for a lot of the sloppy play.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1025903]Yeah, the Redskins could VERY likely go 0-4 until they show me otherwise. Raiders aren't good, but they can still beat us. Plus [B]Haslett sucks at making a gameplan against a mobile QB[/B].

The Lions, Reggie Bush can break off huge runs against us, and Calvin Johnson makes great secondaries look bad. Plus the Lions have a good front 7 that can shut down our running game making us one dimensional and make Griffin throw the ball out quick.[/quote]

I think you're right about Haslett against mobile quarterbacks. That might've came into play when they were deciding to a make a deal to try to draft RGIII. Who else would have a greater appreciation for a mobile qb other than a defensive coordinator that has trouble against them?

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New NFL rules make it extremely difficult to have full padded practices. Tackling has been bad throughout the league.

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[quote][B]Best Defender:[/B] In the first half Sunday, it was probably the end zone pylon. After James Jones fumbled the ball late in the half, the pylon cleverly knocked the ball out of bounds, leading to a touchback and saving the Redskins’ defense from more damage. It was a play that came out of nowhere, a play that saved seven points and kept the deficit at least somewhat reasonable at halftime. The pylon didn’t even celebrate its performance, nor did it talk trash to Jones. For its performance, the pylon was given a game ball and offered a special parking space over the next week. Expect a run on “Pylon” jerseys this week. Man, I love that pylon.[/quote]


[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/09/15/redskins-packers-best-and-worst/]Redskins-Packers best and worst[/url]

This picture sums it up.


[IMG]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/files/2013/09/madshanny913a.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=donofriose;1025917]New NFL rules make it extremely difficult to have full padded practices. Tackling has been bad throughout the league.[/quote]

I don't think any other team has been blown out by this much in the first half of games because of poor tackling.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1025916]I think you're right about Haslett against mobile quarterbacks. That might've came into play when they were deciding to a make a deal to try to draft RGIII. Who else would have a greater appreciation for a mobile qb other than a defensive coordinator that has trouble against them?[/quote]

I remember that Joe Webb game a few years ago. Ponder gets hurt, you think "oh their backup QB is coming in, we got this." And webb goes out and runs and throws all over us.

that game told me a lot about Haslett. He never adjusted to the player. He kept in his Ponder game plan. He did the same thing when Amedola torched us last year. He doesn't adjust in games.

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[quote=warriorzpath;1025919]I don't think any other team has been blown out by this much in the first half of games because of poor tackling.[/quote]

Skins are being blown out for a lot of different reasons, one of the big ones being poor tackling.

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Can we just stop trusting RG3 to make the best decision about his body in regards to his injury?

He's not a 100%.

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[quote=Bushead;1025924]Can we just stop trusting RG3 to make the best decision about his body in regards to his injury?

He's not a 100%.[/quote]

Why do people keep saying this? RGIII looks fine out there health wise. He was fast on his scramble, and he's moving around very well. This isn't a health issue. I feel it's more of a scheme issue than anything. We seem to do well with a up tempo pace on offense, so why not run that? Also some OL issues when we try to run the normal offense.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1025830]Not so much the D but the offense is historically bad.

If the offense could get rolling I think if we didn't win games, they'd at least be competitive.

For the life of me, I don't understand why they've got the handcuffs on RG3. He's a terrible pocket passer and when he is paying attention to the pocket, he looks constantly paranoid. They need to be using rollouts, bootlegs and for the love of God, get rid of that horrible toss play and use the read option.[/

If a QB that we gave 2 fist rounds picks for can't play from the pocket then we blew that trade. Personally I don't think he's a "terrible" QB in the pocket, but he will never be Aaron Rodgers....and the price we paid paid to get him, he needs to be that guy.

And someone here compared RG3 to Warren Moon? Really? You're talking about one of the best pure ever.

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So what is a realistic guess, based on the way we have played so far, for a win and loss record?

I am looking at the schedule right now, and thinking of the way we've been playing, and how bad our defense is, i am very nervous looking at the whole entire schedule. We play some tough teams.

We could very well be 0-4 going into the bye, and the teams just get tougher after that. We are going to need things to turn around very quick or this could be a long year.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1025907]^ But I'll remain optimistic and say 2-2 at the Bye.

The Bye which happened to come at a great time seeing how off we look.[/quote]

Are u serious? We can't beat Detriot and will have trouble with Oakland. Count on it.

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Things that need to change:

Stop the stupid ST penalties (kill us 2 weeks in a row and gotten shitty field position because of it)

Stop the stupid personal fouls, lots the last 2 weeks (killing drives and momentum)

Learn how to tackle again

Have Morris spend extra time with teaching Rambo and Amerson on what to do out there.

Promote Chase Minnifield and get rid of Meriweather (being injured all the time doesn't help the team and is a waste of a roster spot)

OL needs to protect RGIII

Play Fred Davis (he looks like the invisible man)

Have the CB's be aggressive instead of giving large cushions

Fire Haslett, he has some good players this year, yet the defense seems to get worse.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1025927]So what is a realistic guess, based on the way we have played so far, for a win and loss record?

I am looking at the schedule right now, and thinking of the way we've been playing, and how bad our defense is, i am very nervous looking at the whole entire schedule. We play some tough teams.

We could very well be 0-4 going into the bye, and the teams just get tougher after that. We are going to need things to turn around very quick or this could be a long year.[/quote]

Based purely upon how we've played the first 2 games and looking at the schedule... 4-12

Wins against Raiders, Cowboys, Vikes and Chiefs.

I'm gonna need to see hard evidence of a turn around both offensively and defensively (and even special teams since they stunk it up today too. I'm looking at you, Rocca) before I feel comfortable boosting that W/L.

^ Detroit lost to ARZ today. So they are not that great but it'll be hard to pick us at this point

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We winning the next 2 games. Put it down