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[quote=Mattyk;963259]I would say finding ways to win games on a consistent basis makes you "competitive".

Not losing close ones all the time.[/quote]

Exactly; this is the NFL not NBA, MLB and/or NHL. A two win difference between teams is huge here.

If the Skins were 5-4 right now vs. 3-6; it be a lot sunnier around here. Two win difference any other league means jack.

I wonder if there is a metric that would compare how good the best NFL teams are compared how good NBA/MLB/NHL best teams are.

For example who is the worst team:

CLE Browns or the NO Hornets

Or the best team:

ATL Falcons or MIA Heat

I guess I am trying to say what is the dealt of quality between good teams in the NFL and poor teams versus other leagues.

I think without any research that the level of quality between NFL teams is higher then other leagues. Basically it takes more energy/talent for the Falcons to roll the Browns then the Heat to roll the Hornets.

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[quote=mredskins;963240]There really is not a lot of blow outs in the NFL. Most games are relatively close.

This article does a good job explaining it. Basically good teams find a way to win in the NFL; it is not the margin of victory that determines they are good but the victory itself.

[url=http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/content/statistical-tour-de-douche-history-the-nfl-elite/7529/]Statistical tour de douche: history of the NFL elite[/url][/quote]

Thank you. All this stat illustrates is how competitive the NFL is -- where one of the lesser teams (us) manages to keep a lot of games interesting.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;963263]Exactly; this is the NFL not NBA, MLB and/or NHL. A two win difference between teams is huge here.

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yea NFL season is also like 70 games shorter than some of the other leagues....

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Here you go thread closed:

NFL's Circle of Parity

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[quote=Meks;963269][QUOTE=mredskins;963263]Exactly; this is the NFL not NBA, MLB and/or NHL. A two win difference between teams is huge here.

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[B]yea NFL season is also like 70 games shorter[/B] than some of the other leagues....[/quote]

Really? Thanks.

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[quote=Mechanix544;962954]This means absolutely nothing, btw. Look at the teams at the top, the best in the league over that span, and look at the teams on the bottom, the worst. Its a damning figure, not one to take and try to squeeze optimism out of. Anytime you are compared with the Clevelands and Detroits of the NFL, thats usually not a good thing, no matter how the shanahan apologists (or anyone) want to spin it.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;963265]Thank you. All this stat illustrates is how competitive the NFL is -- where one of the lesser teams (us) manages to keep a lot of games interesting.[/quote]

Exactly. The league has done everything in it's power to create parity since the days of Rozelle. All GM's and HC's are not the same. Some know how to build and coach better than others. Some owners are better equipped and have the ego to turn things over to those who are more qualified to run a team. Consistently losing close games is not much of an endorsement for a franchise. Especially the longer it goes on. BTW.....Your sig may be my all time favorite.

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[quote=mredskins;963271][quote=Meks;963269]

Really? Thanks.[/quote]

lol, i meant to finish that with 'that's why u see alot more blowouts... cuz theres a ton more games'

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[quote=CultBrennan59;962860]This tells me that we are a great team that can't seem to finish games. We know how to be competitive, but we just don't have that extra push from either our players or our coaches or both.[/quote]it tells me the opposite. Great teams finish games, great team don't lose close games they win by blowout.

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Makes it sound like we're a lot better than our bad record indicates! :D

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Basically when the day is done the Skins over the past decade have been a bad franchise. If you helps you sleep better at night that a lot of games were close so be it, but we are still a bad franchise.

[B][I]"Ask any racer. Any real racer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning."[/I][/B]- Dom

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[quote=53Fan;963262][B]So we're the worse at finishing or completing games? It's pretty hard for me to find a positive in that.[/B] I guess it's better than getting blown out all the time but as mredskin just wrote...there aren't that many blowouts anyway. Good teams find ways to win...bad teams don't. It's as simple as that. We get a lead but know in our hearts it's not over because we have a history of allowing teams to come back and beat us. I appreciate your optimism and I would honestly be the last person to ask about my sister. Personally I would rather kiss my Jack Russell.[/quote]

See this is the thing about this thread; I said see how you interpret this stat. It can be interpreted in more than one way. (You and most people here see it as a negative; I and a couple others see some positives out of it)

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[quote=CultBrennan59;963292]See this is the thing about this thread; I said see how you interpret this stat. It can be interpreted in more than one way. (You and most people here see it as a negative; I and a couple others see some positives out of it)[/quote]

I'm not much for the phrase garbage time, but the stat you made doesn't really reflect at all whether the game was close the whole way, or we just got garbage scores against prevent style defenses. I don't see a lot of use from just a blind number, good or bad.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;963292]See this is the thing about this thread; I said see how you interpret this stat. It can be interpreted in more than one way. (You and most people here see it as a negative; I and a couple others see some positives out of it)[/quote]

Funny that you see it as a positive, since you were the same guy that wanted the team to tank for a better draft position in the past two seasons.

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Think this can be a bit deceiving. A lot of games we only were close in (besides really last year) because defenses go to prevent which allows us to drive easier. The other ones, that we were in, of course, are because the team STILL doesn't play for four full quarters.

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[quote=Ruhskins;963306]Funny that you see it as a positive, since you were the same guy that wanted the team to tank for a better draft position in the past two seasons.[/quote]

I wouldn't say I think this stat is a complete positive, but there are some positives to it. It's a two sided stat.

Your not gonna let that go are you? We would have been a better team for the future if we MS plan had worked. It back fired a couple times to get us out of the first overall pick range. Oh we'll it's in the past and I'm happy with griffin.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;963292]See this is the thing about this thread; I said see how you interpret this stat. It can be interpreted in more than one way. (You and most people here see it as a negative; I and a couple others see some positives out of it)[/quote]

I'm not coming down on you CB...
You obviously put some time and effort into this. It's really a shame to go through all that to try and find a positive. Sounds like something Lions fans probably did through the Millen years. Any way you look at it we're not very good and coming close through the last few years doesn't change that. A good coach would.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;963315]I wouldn't say I think this stat is a complete positive, but there are some positives to it. It's a two sided stat.

Your not gonna let that go are you? We would have been a better team for the future if we MS plan had worked. It back fired a couple times to get us out of the first overall pick range. Oh we'll it's in the past and I'm happy with griffin.[/quote]

Given your own negativity over the past two seasons, it surprised me that you seemed surprised at the negativity of others.

Anyway, it is hard for me to see this stat as a positive, when a lot of these close games have been against teams that are not good. I do want to say that now more than ever I think we have a future and better days are (hopefully) ahead. But I think at least this year we are going to continue with the same mantra of keeping games close against good and bad teams alike.

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Losing is losing anyway you look at it.

There's no style points for coming close.

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[quote=mredskins;963289]Basically when the day is done the Skins over the past decade have been a bad franchise. If you helps you sleep better at night that a lot of games were close so be it, but we are still a bad franchise.

[B][I]"Ask any racer. Any real racer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning."[/I][/B]- Dom[/quote]

The Redskins have been a bad team because under Snyder's ownership the team has mostly been a damn circus. 7 head coaches in 12 years. Firing Norv Turner when the Redskins were still in playoff contention, firing Marty Schottenheimer after a dramatic turnaround, hiring Steve Spurrier who was not qualified to be a head coach in the NFL, and hiring Zorn as an offensive coordinator with no head coach and then giving him head coaching duties that he wasn't qualified for. It's all decisions like these that have held this franchise back.

Thanks a lot, Mr. Snyder. While the Steelers, Giants, and Patriots play in Super Bowls year after year we Redskins fans are buried deep in our own crap because of the decisions of Daniel Snyder.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;963343]The Redskins have been a bad team because under Snyder's ownership the team has mostly been a damn circus. 7 head coaches in 12 years. Firing Norv Turner when the Redskins were still in playoff contention, firing Marty Schottenheimer after a dramatic turnaround, hiring Steve Spurrier who was not qualified to be a head coach in the NFL, and hiring Zorn as an offensive coordinator with no head coach and then giving him head coaching duties that he wasn't qualified for. It's all decisions like these that have held this franchise back.

Thanks a lot, Mr. Snyder. While the Steelers, Giants, and Patriots play in Super Bowls year after year we Redskins fans are buried deep in our own crap because of the decisions of Daniel Snyder.[/quote]

Always the easy thing to do, just blame Snyder

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[quote=SmootSmack;963344]Always the easy thing to do, just blame Snyder[/quote]

You played for this team once. A lot of this franchise's mediocrity can be traced to Daniel Snyder. The decisions he's made has had a bad impact on what's happened on the field. The only thing he did right was beg Joe Gibbs to come out of retirement and with that, the Redskins went to the playoffs 2 out of the 4 years Gibbs with coaching the Redskins again.

But even when Gibbs stepped down the head coaching vacancy should have gone to Greg Williams but Snyder even fouled that up too. Of course Vinny Cerrato has played a hand by making stupid trades, being incompetent by selecting bad draft choices, and allowing top notch safeties such as Ryan Clark to hit the open market.

But who's the moron who fired Charley Casserly in favor of Cerrato in the first place? That's whose fault it is then.

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Last I remembered, Clark wasn't an all world safety when he played here, nor is he one with the Steelers. Good player, yes, but I guess with our current situation, a move made over 7 years ago still shouldn't be a reason for our abysmal situation.

He only had 3 interceptions over his first four years, and some questioned his tackling, which was one of the reasons the Giants let him go. Sucks that he turned out to be solid, but he is in no way a world beater............Plus, we filled his slot quite nicely in the subsequent years with a much better safety, ST21.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;962860]Alright so I've always noticed how we always seem to lose games closely. So I went through the years from 2002-2011 (10 seasons) and I considered close losses to be by one possesion (aka a max of 8 points or less). So I counted the number of 8 point losses we've had over ten years compared to all the other teams in the NFL. The results I found were pretty interesting/Somewhat shocking/somewhat surprising:

The number 1 team who loses the most 'Close' games in the NFL since 02:

1. Redskins [B]60[/B] close losses the past 10 years; thats an average of 6 close losses a season.
2. (Tie) Detroit and Cleveland w/ 53 close losses.
3. Cincinnatti with 47

Teams with the fewest close losses:

1. New England with 19
2. Indy with 26
3. NY Giants 28

This tells me that we are a great team that can't seem to finish games. We know how to be competitive, but we just don't have that extra push from either our players or our coaches or both.

If you think about it, if we got half, 3/4, or all of those close loss games to wins, we'd be a playoff team most years.

Discuss![/quote]

Most interesting point. Nice dig there. New England and Giants on top of spread and Detroit, Cleveland and Washington on bottom of spread. Yes it does say a lot.

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Nice, now i feel officially like a Browns fan. :censored:

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**** it. Decide to do the research.


[B]2003[/B]- 4th rounder (Trung Candidate trade)

[B]2004[/B]- 2nd rounder (in Portis trade)

[B]2005[/B]- 3rd rounder (JC trade)

[B]2006[/B]- 1st rounder (JC trade)
3rd rounder (duckett trade)
3rd rounder(Lloyd trade)
4th rounder (JC trade)
[B]
2007[/B]- 4th rounder (Lloyd trade)

[B]2008[/B]- 2nd rounder (jason taylor trade)

[B]2009[/B]- 4th rounder (Pete Kendall trade)
7th rounder (Erasmus James trade)

[B]2010[/B]- 6th rounder (Jason Taylor trade)


1st round totals: 1
2nd round totals: 2
3rd round totals: 3
4th round totals: 4
5th round totals:
6th round totals: 1
7th round totals: 1



These are the draft picks that were pissed away from 2003-2009. You want to know why this team still doesn't have depth? Well, there you go. Even if you land on just 3 of those picks, that's 3 players still on this team that would be starting or providing depth.

Cliffnotes: FU Joe Gibbs 2.0 and Vinny Bugeyes. :madani:

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Don't forget our castoff saviour McNabb. Didn't we give up a 3rd rounder for a QB that confused receivers feet with their hands?

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[quote=53Fan;963467]Don't forget our castoff saviour McNabb. Didn't we give up a 3rd rounder for a QB that confused receivers feet with their hands?[/quote]

I added up all the crap trades up till Shanahan's arrival. I didn't include any trades during his tenure.

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[quote=NC_Skins;963468]I added up all the crap trades up till Shanahan's arrival. I didn't include any trades during his tenure.[/quote]

I noticed that...but Shanahan giving away picks for used up has been QB's is another reason this team doesn't have depth. He makes plenty of mistakes on his own. His personell decisions on defense in Denver probably cost him his job in Denver as much as anything. Hard to have good depth when you can't even pick quality starters.

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[quote=53Fan;963478]I noticed that...but Shanahan giving away picks for used up has been QB's is another reason this team doesn't have depth. He makes plenty of mistakes on his own. His personell decisions on defense in Denver probably cost him his job in Denver as much as anything. Hard to have good depth when you can't even pick quality starters.[/quote]

I concur. No argument there. I think he overestimated his coaching skills and roster and thought he could win now with little compensation, while still rebuilding. He was incorrect.

If Mike could find somebody to pick defensive talent, he would be set. As it is, his defensive drafting appears sketchy to say the least.

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[quote=NC_Skins;963481]I concur. No argument there. I think he overestimated his coaching skills and roster and thought he could win now with little compensation, while still rebuilding. He was incorrect.

If Mike could find somebody to pick defensive talent, he would be set. As it is, his defensive drafting appears sketchy to say the least.[/quote]

I think you nailed it perfectly. That about sums it up.

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[quote=NC_Skins;963481]I concur. No argument there. I think he overestimated his coaching skills and roster and thought he could win now with little compensation, while still rebuilding. He was incorrect.

If Mike could find somebody to pick defensive talent, he would be set. As it is, his defensive drafting appears sketchy to say the least.[/quote]

Completely agree. Mike Shanahan shouldn't be selecting the players. Bruce Allen should be doing that. I've been saying this for the past few days. The GM selects the players in the draft, makes the trades, and signs the best free agents he can find. The head coach meanwhile coaches all of these players. Mike Shanahan needs a have a coke and a smile and just coach the damn players. He'll never succeed at being the head coach and selecting the talent.

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[QUOTE]1st round totals: 1
2nd round totals: 2
3rd round totals: 3
4th round totals: 4
5th round totals:
6th round totals: 1
7th round totals: 1[/QUOTE]

Insane!!!

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I can't wait.

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Not sure if there is a stat for this or not, but our biggest problem right now is the fact that every time we cross the 50 on offense, we end up acquiring a penalty that usually stalls our progress.

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[quote=3MiamiDade21egend6;963766]Not sure if there is a stat for this or not, but our biggest problem right now is the fact that every time we cross the 50 on offense, we end up acquiring a penalty that usually stalls our progress.[/quote]

Welcome.


Penalties are generally a sign of lack of discipline.

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[quote=3MiamiDade21egend6;963766]Not sure if there is a stat for this or not, but our biggest problem right now is the fact that every time we cross the 50 on offense, we end up acquiring a penalty that usually stalls our progress.[/quote]

Holding mostly. Wide receivers jumping offsides. False starts. One day this offense will be disciplined enough where they don't commit these kinds of boneheaded mistakes.