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[quote=KI Skins Fan;961837]My original point was that I don't think it is reasonable to think that a person should be expected to have all of the answers to a problem before he dares to express his opinion that there is a problem. That is all.

The thread is fine. Everybody have fun speculating.[/quote]

Speculating is what we do here

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[quote=punch it in;961839]Russ Grimm?
Perry Fewell?
What are everyones thoughts on these two guys? Just curious?[/quote]

Mentioned Fewell. Think he'd be a great candidate

Not sure about Grimm

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[quote=punch it in;961839]Russ Grimm?
Perry Fewell?
What are everyones thoughts on these two guys? Just curious?[/quote]

Both good coaches, i would consider Fewell before Sherman or Shottenheimer. Roman would still be my first choice.

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[quote=SmootSmack;961845]Mentioned Fewell. Think he'd be a great candidate

Not sure about Grimm[/quote]

I think it's quite telling that Grimm has been in the HC discussion for so long throughout the league and he has never gotten a shot. Guess he's just not that intriguing...

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;961838]Andrew Luck sure benefited from him and RGIII would be a perfect fit. You watch, someone will hire him and i'll remind you about it.[/quote]

I gotta give you credit SFFEDSKIN, you nailed Harbaugh. I'm not sure what he's doing that Singletary and Nolan couldn't do but it's really working. He's given than team a identity and that's something we're lacking in the worst way. I'm not sure who the next Harbaugh is but I really hope we find him.

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Is there a third brother?

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[quote=Paintrain;961732]Spinning off of the Should We Fire Mike Shanahan thread..

If you are one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?

Who would you have picking personnel?
Who would you hire as head coach?
What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?

Be detailed.[/quote]

1. Someone that has a proven history at picking players in the draft. Not free agency but the draft.
2. Someone that can motivate the players and can X and O and make game day adjustments plus manage the clock. I'd look into getting Bill O'brien. He can coach offense and could bring out the best in RG3.
3. Run what RG does best..hurry up, fast paced offense where the field is spread out..like New England does. That's what he did best in college.
4. Go back to the 4-3. We don't have the front 7 to run the 3-4. It's been a total failure.
5. Offense..RG3, Cousins, Morris, Young, Williams, Garcon, Davis, Hank
Defense. Rak, Kerrigan, Riley, Carriker, K.Robinson, Jenkins

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Mike Shanahan will live out his 5 year contract. Snyder would be foolish to fire him now. He told Snyder from day 1 that the Redskins were a rebuilding project.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;961860]Mike Shanahan will live out his 5 year contract. Snyder would be foolish to fire him now. He told Snyder from day 1 that the Redskins were a rebuilding project.[/quote]

He will, some of are just dreaming. Shanahan needs to do changes fire Smith and Haslett.

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[quote=skinsfan69;961859]1. Someone that has a proven history at picking players in the draft. Not free agency but the draft.
2. Someone that can motivate the players and can X and O and make game day adjustments plus manage the clock. I'd look into getting Bill O'brien. He can coach offense and could bring out the best in RG3.
3. Run what RG does best..hurry up, fast paced offense where the field is spread out..like New England does. That's what he did best in college.
4. Go back to the 4-3. We don't have the front 7 to run the 3-4. It's been a total failure.
5. Offense..RG3, Cousins, Morris, Young, Williams, Garcon, Davis, Hank
Defense. Rak, Kerrigan, Riley, Carriker, K.Robinson, Jenkins[/quote]

You want to go back to a 4-3 but named 4 LB unless you move Rak and Kerrigan to DE and then what to do with Carriker and Jenkins. We are locked into the 3-4 with our personnel.

If we changed coaches I like your idea of a hurry up, no huddle attack.

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[quote=mbedner3420;961850]I think it's quite telling that Grimm has been in the HC discussion for so long throughout the league and he has never gotten a shot. Guess he's just not that intriguing...[/quote]

More to it, but not gonna get into that here.

[QUOTE=calia;961857]Is there a third brother?[/QUOTE]

Lmao

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[quote=SmootSmack;961868]More to it, but not gonna get into that here.[/quote]

Did he sleep with every owners wife?

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[quote=calia;961857]Is there a third brother?[/quote]

Chet Harbaugh, tractor salesman in Butte, MT. Should we give him a call?

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[quote=Paintrain;961874]Chet Harbaugh, tractor salesman in Butte, MT. Should we give him a call?[/quote]he can't leave the state, long story

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[quote=Paintrain;961874]Chet Harbaugh, tractor salesman in Butte, MT. Should we give him a call?[/quote]

No but you could call jim and john's dad who used to coach and is old as dirt.

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[quote=Paintrain;961866]You want to go back to a 4-3 but named 4 LB unless you move Rak and Kerrigan to DE and then what to do with Carriker and Jenkins. We are locked into the 3-4 with our personnel.

If we changed coaches I like your idea of a hurry up, no huddle attack.[/quote]

I believe both Rak and Kerrigan played DE in college.

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Here's a doozy for DC- Mark Banker out of Oregon State. His defenses overachieve, considering the talent they recruit.

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SO 4 pages, and not a single hater has come up with anything. Zero. Zilch. Nothing. Nada.


Reminds me of this.


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[quote=KI Skins Fan;961814]No, not common sense because I'm not a professional football executive and I'm not qualified to figure out the solution.[/quote]

If you aren't qualified to figure out the solution, what on earth makes you qualified to point out the problem?

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i know all the answers and forgot all the questions

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[quote=los panda;961897]i know all the answers and forgot all the questions[/quote]

You've been killing me lately. Keep up the good stuff man. Enjoying the laughs. (ref comment was hilarious as well)

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[quote=Paintrain;961732]Spinning off of the Should We Fire Mike Shanahan thread..

If you are one of the 'Fire Shanahan' proponents, what is your SPECIFIC plan to get this team back on the right path?[/quote]

Who would you have picking personnel?
Bruce Allen keeps reigns as GM with final personnel say so. Campbell and scouting dept. stay.

Who would you hire as head coach?
Really depends on who is available after the season. i wouldn't go with a college coach.
Some thoughts would be: Brian Shotty, Cam Cameron, Ray Horton

What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
I'd like to run a Pats type system, but don't like the quantity of option routes in the system. I would combine this with the Air Coryell system (playcalling/route numbering) with fixed routes and reads. Run game would be a more power based game, rather than the zone system we run.

I'd want either of the two mentioned above or someone from the Coryell, Gibbs, Norv Turner coaching tree (not Norv himself tho). Sarkisian maybe as OC if Shotty or Cameron.

What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Defensive system would be the Bum Phillips one-gap 3-4 or Dick Lebeau's attacking zone-blitz scheme.

Rod Woodson possible DC or someone who was under Wade Phillips.

Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?
Offense: RG3, Morris, Young, Chester, T. Williams (although if I could move him to get a draft pick and get a LT more suited for the power game, i would), Garcon (if he recovers from injury), Davis (if he recovers), Paulsen.

Defense: Jenkins, Bowen, Cofield, Carriker, Kerrigan, Orakpo

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[quote=NC_Skins;961900]You've been killing me lately. Keep up the good stuff man. Enjoying the laughs. (ref comment was hilarious as well)[/quote]glad to hear it, thanks nc. i was put on this planet to make people laugh

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[quote=NC_Skins;961896]If you aren't qualified to figure out the solution, what on earth makes you qualified to point out the problem?[/quote]

Thanks for asking, Vince Lombardi. I think my primary issue, which is poor leadership at the top, is apparent enough that even an ignoramus like me can figure it out.

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[quote=NC_Skins;961895]SO 4 pages, and not a single hater has come up with anything. Zero. Zilch. Nothing. Nada.[/quote]

I prefer to be called a hatter.

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[quote=NC_Skins;961896]If you aren't qualified to figure out the solution, what on earth makes you qualified to point out the problem?[/quote]

WHOOMP! There it is.......

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;961904]Check the standings.[/quote]

The standings only tells you something is wrong. It doesn't pinpoint the problem. So....back to this....

[B]
If you aren't qualified to figure out the solution, what on earth makes you qualified to point out the problem?[/B]

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[quote=NC_Skins;961909]The standings only tells you something is wrong. It doesn't pinpoint the problem. So....back to this....

[B]
If you aren't qualified to figure out the solution, what on earth makes you qualified to point out the problem?[/B][/quote]

See revised post #65 above, Vince.

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Difficult to answer as this is an open ended question midway thru the season. But as a speculative venture under the presumption the season ends poorly in Washington, here are a few suggestions.

As a possible GM, [B]Eric DeCosta[/B], 41, asst GM for the Ravens under Ozzie Newsome. Worked his way up from the bottom and has a nice resume.

Consider Bill Polian as he has been successful everywhere he's been.

Consider also keeping Bruce Allen as a figure head to work contracts, but hire and empower a director of player personnel from a strong drafting organization like the Giants, Packers, 49ers, or Falcons.

Head Coach is very difficult at this point because the season needs to play out. I would consider [B]Jay Gruden [/B] if the Bengals offense plays well down the stretch. Greg Roman of the 49ers has been suggested here, and has a strong buzz. I would prefer to have an offensive minded coach.

However I do believe that a black Head Coach may be the best option for the organization given the makeup of the team and the city. Don't want to bring race into it per se, but honestly do feel an AA coach here offers certain intangibles that should be factored in. Relating to the players, dealing with the local media and fanbase, diffusing certain criticisms and speculations. My 2 choices would be [B]Roy Horton[/B], DC of Ari, or Perry Fewell, DC of NYG. Both have impressive resumes and are great with players and media. Both are defensive minded, which may be more of a necessity.

I am also very enamored with [B]Chip Kelly [/B]of Oregon, the Spurrier debacle not withstanding. Kelly has reportedly strong organizational skills which Spurrier did not. The Patriots employ parts of their high octane offense successfully, so it should translate. I want to see the Ducks play Alabama for the Title first. Bama has virtually an NFL defense, and an impressive showing against them puts Kelly at the top of my list. Kelly's offense would be explosive with Griffin and with the appropriate speed around him. Kelly might jump with a Title and RG as his QB. Enticing possibilities and a track meet on sundays. Scary going back to a college coach though.

As far as coordinators go, that is up to the HC. Also want to see who gets fired at the end, but Rex Ryan, [B]Mike Zimmer [/B]are options with an offensive HC. 1st timers might be [B]Vance Joseph[/B], DB coach of Texans, or [B]Greg Jackson[/B], DB coach of 9ers if a defensive HC is hired.

Offense might be, if fired, [B]Jason Garrett [/B]or Rob Chudzinski as possible options with a defensive HC. Dark horse might be Brian Callahan, asst with Denver, who helped with Tebow transformation midseason last year, and now breaks down film with Peyton Manning. Young though.

Have a more specific plan when the season ends pending each team's performances. Of course, it's all moot if the Skins finish strong. Nice to keep your options open however, and be ready to pounce if the opportunity presents itself. Dallas, more than likely will get first choice, but RG offers something special to snag top dog as well. Snyder has to be prepared for any contingency as a sound business practice.

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Can you imagine Chip Kelly calling this offense? I mean, hell, you don't even need a problem to think that's a great solution.

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[quote=NC_Skins;961895]SO 4 pages, and not a single hater has come up with anything. Zero. Zilch. Nothing. Nada.[/quote]That's not what happened at all.

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[quote=GTripp0012;961937]Can you imagine Chip Kelly calling this offense? I mean, hell, you don't even need a problem to think that's a great solution.[/quote]

People were all over Spurrier when he got here with his florida offense, and we know how that turned out. I'm skeptical now for us ever getting a college coach again.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;961895]SO 4 pages, and not a single hater has come up with anything. Zero. Zilch. Nothing. Nada.


Reminds me of this.


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You would say that no matter what we came up with. Are you saying there hasnt been names tossed out?

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;961938]That's not what happened at all.[/QUOTE]

Seriously.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;961941]People were all over Spurrier when he got here with his florida offense, and we know how that turned out. I'm skeptical now for us ever getting a college coach again.[/quote]Have you seen our offense this year?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;961901]Who would you have picking personnel?
Bruce Allen keeps reigns as GM with final personnel say so. Campbell and scouting dept. stay.

Who would you hire as head coach?
Really depends on who is available after the season. i wouldn't go with a college coach.
Some thoughts would be: Brian Shotty, Cam Cameron, Ray Horton

What offensive system would you want in place and who (OC) will run it?
I'd like to run a Pats type system, but don't like the quantity of option routes in the system. I would combine this with the Air Coryell system (playcalling/route numbering) with fixed routes and reads. Run game would be a more power based game, rather than the zone system we run.

I'd want either of the two mentioned above or someone from the Coryell, Gibbs, Norv Turner coaching tree (not Norv himself tho). Sarkisian maybe as OC if Shotty or Cameron.

What defensive system would you want in place and who (DC) will run it?
Defensive system would be the Bum Phillips one-gap 3-4 or Dick Lebeau's attacking zone-blitz scheme.

Rod Woodson possible DC or someone who was under Wade Phillips.

Who are your building block players for the systems you recommend?
Offense: RG3, Morris, Young, Chester, T. Williams (although if I could move him to get a draft pick and get a LT more suited for the power game, i would), Garcon (if he recovers from injury), Davis (if he recovers), Paulsen.

Defense: Jenkins, Bowen, Cofield, Carriker, Kerrigan, Orakpo[/quote]

No Montgomery? I don't think people realize how much of a stud he is this year. He's rated like #2 center in some people's performance evaluations this year, and he's only given up 1 sack.

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[quote=GTripp0012;961944]Have you seen our offense this year?[/quote]

Have you seen how bad our organization is..?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;961954]Have you seen how bad our organization is..?[/quote]

I think he was commenting on how you didn't think college coaches are successful, and he was talking about how our offense is similar to a college offense.

Even though besides the option play we run from time to time, it's nothing like a college offense. Although, I can see the misconception.

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[quote=Bucket;961955]I think he was commenting on how you didn't think college coaches are successful, and he was talking about how our offense is similar to a college offense.

Even though besides the option play we run from time to time, it's nothing like a college offense. Although, I can see the misconception.[/quote]

Ok well if thats the case, then all I have to say is that our 'college offense' will only work for so long, until the nfl stops it, which should be soon. Because gimmick offenses typically start to die down by the midway point of the season. Theres a reason the option isn't in the nfl.