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[quote=NC_Skins;959773]Wilson in our best CB by far. Can't say much about the rest of them though.[/quote]

Yes your are so right!! Josh Wilson is the least smellest piece of sh!t out there!! But the problem is the whole secondary is complete sh!t!!! THEY ALL SUCK. New Englands secondary probably feels bad for us and thats saying something!

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[quote=53Fan;959713]In 2009 Halls contract was structuted to where he got his signing bonus money in 2010 instead of prorating it over years like most contracts. So releasing him in 2013 wouldn't be much of a cap hit. Like SS said...
Hall's gone.[/quote]

Actually releasing Hall before March 1st frees up 8mil in Cap Room according to Pat Kerwin on Moving the Chains. Go use all that money for one or two other Cbs.

Monty and Chester are fine as well as KL. Keep those guys and replace Brown and we have a good Oline.

Fix the back end of the D, add a pass rusher, add a RT, and another playmaker and bang here we go in 2013. Beware NFC East.

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josh wilson just hasnt been playing the same since he got his head knocked around.. he was pretty solid for us last year.. and now? .. he just looks lost and like his EQ is off.. i hope he improves but week in and week out i find myself yelling at the TV screaming DAMN YOU WILSON!! lol .. right now i'd take hall over wilson.. but that can change.. we need to see if Merriweather can step in and provide some help at safety... ugh.. secondary is a mess and our vanilla ass looks EVERY snap on defense kills me... that and our 10 yard cushion ;)

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[quote=NC_Skins;959780]No, he's not. The numbers and stats show otherwise. You guys ahve just taken key plays and it's been burned into your head that he's bad. He's not. Many of the times you think it's him, it's been the safety.[/quote]

I agree, Wilson is a good player and add a key shutdown CB and a slot CB and we are good. Now I know they dont grow on trees but it is doable.

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We need to hang onto Wilson unless we can pull a Dallas and pick up a top CD draft pick and FA in the same year with Claiborne and Carr.

Without a 1st-round pick and missing $18mil cap space, I don't see that happening.




Hall - Cut...we need the cap space.

Wilson - Keep. We need a capable CB and he's more than capable. He's easily our best and maybe only good secondary player this season. He's having a solid year.

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I know injuries hit every team, every year, but man have they smacked this team where it hurts this year. Neither projected Week 1 Safety is playing, no Orakpo, No Carriker, AND you don't have your number 1 and 2 receivers. Its a wonder they are ven competitive.... Oh the have Superman at QB, that's why.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959774]U think Josh Wilson is better than d hall? How? Wilson is toast every week lol. Hall isn't great but he's better than Wilson[/quote]

Respectfully disagree!! . . . Hall is absolutely, brutally horrendous!!! . . . Wilson seems to play ok some of the time, but then tries to make up for the poor play of his fellow secondary mates (lol) and tends to get beat some because of it . . .

the worst part about hall is that he can be good to great if he'd just play smart disciplined football . . . he won't as he is strictly looking for the big play as that is when he gets all praise . . .

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[quote=CultBrennan59;959799]You think we'll get him in the offseason or what?[/quote]

Sure

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[quote=SmootSmack;959691]Chester's not going anywhere, and I doubt Montgomery is either. Not sure Garcon would restructure his contract[/quote]

These guys have been VERY surprising this year. I keep saying it, interior Oline has been the biggest surprise this outside of RG3 and Alfmo. Kory L has recovered nicely. This interior Oline has been outstanding.

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[quote=Chico23231;959820]These guys have been VERY surprising this year. I keep saying it, interior Oline has been the biggest surprise this outside of RG3 and Alfmo. Kory L has recovered nicely. This interior Oline has been outstanding.[/quote]

I'm not surprised by Chester, especially not surprised by KL. Very surprised by Montgomery

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Completely agree Chico. Add a RT to go with that group and we are good to go.

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[quote=SmootSmack;959819]Sure[/quote]

great, another player who stays injuried. 5 different injuries the last couple years, missing 13 games. Lets hope we dont do something stupid.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959693]Chester is good and I doubt hall is gone.[/quote]

Chester is a main component of that offensive line. This is only his second season in Washington and he's played well. Hall is gone. Too much money to pay someone who is not playing good football overall. He's getting too much money to under perform the way he has. Unless Hall starts playing better and begins to shut WRs down on a consistent basis, then I don't see how he can return next year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;959822]I'm not surprised by Chester, especially not surprised by KL. Very surprised by Montgomery[/quote]

Gotta say Chester worried me after last season. Montgomery was inconsistent last year. KL injury really worried me, that was a bad knee injury. KL was dominanting last year until he got hurt, wasnt sure if he could bring it again this year. Obviously I was wrong.

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[quote=53Fan;959713]In 2009 Halls contract was structuted to where he got his signing bonus money in 2010 instead of prorating it over years like most contracts. So releasing him in 2013 wouldn't be much of a cap hit. Like SS said...
Hall's gone.[/quote]

I am looking forward more to not having to hear people b*tch and whine about Hall than not having to deal with his antics/inconsistencies.

That being said, I still think our needs for next season are as follow:

1. Safeties
2. CBs
3. RT
4. ILBs

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959768]I'm a dhall fan not a huge one but let's ask a serious question. Who is better than him on our team right now? Exactly[/quote]

Every CB we have. Not kidding. Have you watched him. He simply cannot cover. He is consistently beat.

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[quote=FRPLG;959836]Every CB we have. Not kidding. Have you watched him. He simply cannot cover. He is consistently beat.[/quote]

Wilson has been playing just as bad if not even worst at times (just ask Rave). Still our DBs are bad and our safeties are worst.

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[quote=SmootSmack;959723]Derek Cox[/quote]



In case people don't know who he is.


[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/05/31/secret-superstar-derek-cox-cb-jacksonville-jaguars/[/url]

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[quote=Monkeydad;959813]Hall - Cut...we need the cap space.

Wilson - Keep. We need a capable CB and he's more than capable. He's easily our best and maybe only good secondary player this season. He's having a solid year.[/quote]

Not sure how good or solid Wilson has been this year, but I agree he's probably the only one worth salvaging in our secondary. Can't comment on Meri, CGriff, Tanard... but I'm not holding my breath.

Hall is gone. I'd bet Schneed's house on it.

The hate for dhall is ridiculous, when u watch the games sorry ass Josh Wilson has been beat so many times, every game thread people are always bitching about JW, but now all of the sudden he and all our other corners are better than hall? Lmao OK so I guess our coaching staff knows that too since hall is benched right? O wait he's still our number 1 corner smh

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959842]The hate for dhall is ridiculous, when u watch the games sorry ass Josh Wilson has been beat so many times, every game thread people are always bitching about JW, but now all of the sudden he and all our other corners are better than hall? Lmao OK so I guess our coaching staff knows that too since hall is benched right? O wait he's still our number 1 corner smh[/quote]


I'm in total agreement with you!!!!!

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Neither D Hall or Wilson are number 1 CB. We need a no.1.

With Hall's contract, he needs to go.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959842]The hate for dhall is ridiculous, when u watch the games sorry ass Josh Wilson has been beat so many times, every game thread people are always bitching about JW, but now all of the sudden he and all our other corners are better than hall? Lmao OK so I guess our coaching staff knows that too since hall is benched right? O wait he's still our number 1 corner smh[/quote]

indeed.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;959844]Neither D Hall or Wilson are number 1 CB. We need a no.1.

With Hall's contract, he needs to go.[/QUOTE]

Agree but right now hall is our best cb period, I understand he's not very good and I would love to see a new corp. Next season but ATM it is what it is

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hall is not our best cb period. he's trash.

[QUOTE=That Guy;959849]hall is not our best cb period. he's trash.[/QUOTE]

Who is? Don't say Wilson

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Hall has always graded out poorly in coverage, near the bottom of the league in fact. Not sure what anyone really sees in him. In fact, Pro Football Focus has Hall rated as the No. 97 best cornerback out of 102 this season. Ugh.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;959855]Hall has always graded out poorly in coverage, near the bottom of the league in fact. Not sure what anyone really sees in him. In fact, Pro Football Focus has Hall rated as the No. 97 best cornerback out of 102 this season. Ugh.[/QUOTE]

Again the whole defense is bad though and right now we can't just sit hall because no one else can step up apparently.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959852]Who is? Don't say Wilson[/quote]

it's wilson. i honestly have no idea what you're watching on sunday's to be defending hall so vehemently. he's awful. check outsiders, check game tape, check his lowlight reels. awful.

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[quote=That Guy;959858]it's wilson. i honestly have no idea what you're watching on sunday's to be defending hall so vehemently. he's awful. check outsiders, check game tape, check his lowlight reels. awful.[/quote]yeah but he always gives his best effort like when he brought gronkowski down...

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The only way the Skins defense wins is when the opposing team's QB is inaccurate. They have no pass rush or coverage skills, so we have to hope for an errant pass or a dropped ball. Its totally frustrating. No coverage what so ever.

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[quote=los panda;959859]yeah but he always gives his best effort like when he brought gronkowski down...[/quote]

Unlike Hall who just stood there like the play was over

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[quote=Mattyk;959863]Unlike Hall who just stood there like the play was over[/quote]oh man i was joking, i was referring to hall. you just reminded me that it [I][B]was[/B][/I] wilson who ended up bringing him down!

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[quote=Mattyk;959855]Hall has always graded out poorly in coverage, near the bottom of the league in fact. Not sure what anyone really sees in him. In fact, Pro Football Focus has Hall rated as the No. 97 best cornerback out of 102 this season. Ugh.[/quote]

He has been rated near the worst CB in the league for like 3 years running now. Not to be an ass honestly but those who think he isn't terrible and can't see that he is pretty clearly our worst CB just don't know how to evaluate the position. I'm not sure what they're seeing that makes them think that even sorry-ass C. Griffin isn't better. It baffles me. To be clear I am not saying our other CBs are any good. I am saying that DHall is undoubtedly a lot worse than even them.

There is a point of course where it doesn't matter how bad you are. DHall would be a better CB than say Perry Riley but I bet they'd both get beat just as much...because DHall is ALWAYS beat. You can't be worse than ALWAYS beat.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;959857]Again the whole defense is bad though and right now we can't just sit hall because no one else can step up apparently.[/quote]

No one? No one can go out there and get thrown at on 65% of the pass plays and get beat on 95% of them? I bet we have 10 guys on the team that can. They only thing he brings to the table in terms of value versus other CBs, and this is of clear value, is his ability to make plays on the ball when the situation presents itself. He has good hands and is very good at advancing turnovers. He is also a competent tackler for a CB. I do think DHall could play a decent safety for us. His coverage skills and play making ability could translate to mroe value at the position. I ma not sure why that hasn't happened. What we're doing now clearly is not working. I increasingly doubt Haslet's ability to use players appropriately.

[QUOTE=That Guy;959858]it's wilson. i honestly have no idea what you're watching on sunday's to be defending hall so vehemently. he's awful. check outsiders, check game tape, check his lowlight reels. awful.[/QUOTE]

I'm not defending the guy or saying he's so great, I would love to see him and jw both gone, I'm just saying Wilson isn't any better . Watch and see how much he gets burned it's just as much

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[quote=Mattyk;959855]Hall has always graded out poorly in coverage, near the bottom of the league in fact. Not sure what anyone really sees in him. In fact, Pro Football Focus has Hall rated as the No. 97 best cornerback out of 102 this season. Ugh.[/quote]

eh .. thats a piss poor ranking for overall performance IMO .. but thats just like the ranking, an opinion.

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[quote=Mattyk;959863]Unlike Hall who just stood there like the play was over[/quote]

was that the same play that Gomes and Reed tried to tackle Gronk and he broke both tackles at the same time? Ugh that safety play was just terrible, and hasnt really changed...

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I don't think you can identify the No. 1 CB just based on watching their scheme. You'd have to ask coaches, I've heard he is viewed as the third CB. Maybe someone else can chime in. Wilson isn't great for sure, but his coverage is better then Hall.

thanks for the link Smoot