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as long as we have a deficiency at the safety position we will ALWAYS be susceptible to the big play. we can play a team good all day except those 2 or 3 plays where we get beat deep and that will be the difference in the game

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[quote=imaskin4life;954875]2 safeties were there but williams thought it was more important to defend the short pass than the deep pass and let cruz get behind him in that situation[/quote]

When I say back.... I mean way back..... the front four were getting pressure. The safeties should have been way back..... That is either on the Coach or the players, I would love to hear who screwed that one up.

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We have to send a message to our team and our fans that we want to win this year and I think firing Haslett is the way to do it. I really find it hard to believe that him not being part of this team will hurt us. It is in-excusable that Cruz was behind our entire secondary. Since we cant fire the secondary than fire Haslett.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;954884]Wonder if it would've made a difference if Meriweather was playing.[/quote]

Probably...I still feel that the D was protecting the short pass on that play.

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[quote=punch it in;954865]Good:
Rob Jackson
Griff
Morris
Bad:
Polumbus
The three run plays by kyle in the fourth
HASLETT's piss poor inability to keep the defense behind cruz.
**** u jim ****ing haslett - you have sucked ur entire career and i dont know how the hell u have a job in the nfl still.


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Huh? Haslett had the double team called up. Its not his fault Williams moves as fas then maybe a High School athlete.

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Good:
1. RG3 - Absolute stud, still learning though. Made some rookie mistakes, to be expected.
2. Rob Jackson - The INT & the sack were huge plays, has stepped up in Raks absence.
3. Almo
4. Moss (minus the fumble)
5. Run blocking - Nice holes, making it easy for Morris to cut and go.

Bad:
1. TURNOVERS
2. Madieu Williams - He's oblivious.
3. Josh Wilson - looks like he lost a step this year.
4. Pass blocking was spotty
5. A couple bad play calls on O. (second consecutive FB dive, option play with Niles)
6. Turnovers
7. Turnovers
100. Turnovers

Side notes:
1. Injury bug... we can't catch a break.
2. Some really ticky-tac, POS penalties called on us today
3. Kerrigan was non existent today. Possibly due to the boat loads of missed holding calls?

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[quote=punch it in;954888]We have to send a message to our team and our fans that we want to win this year and [B]I think firing Haslett is the way to do it.[/B] I really find it hard to believe that him not being part of this team will hurt us. It is in-excusable that Cruz was behind our entire secondary. Since we cant fire the secondary than fire Haslett.[/quote]

Lets not start this Sh** again...

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[quote=Bucket;954890]Huh? Haslett had the double team called up. Its not his fault Williams moves as fas then maybe a High School athlete.[/quote]

they were playing the short pass -that is evident. you have to at all costs have a safety deep there - I understand williams sucks but you cant fire him - someone has to be held accountable for that - Haslett.

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Its not Haslett. Players play the game. Wilson wws getting beat, so you put the double team on Cruz and they BOTH got beat...

Haslett called a good game... He doesnt play.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;954884]Wonder if it would've made a difference if Meriweather was playing.[/quote]

we dont know for sure but its hard to comprehend why a professional SAFETY would think that there is anything more important than covering the deep pass in that situation.

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RG3 is by far the R.O.Y and maybe the damn MVP be years end, he literally carries this team. JH will be fired after this season, my god how do u let CRUZ that wide open???????????????????????????

sad

we should be 4-3 and in 1st

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[quote=DynamiteRave;954869]I hope I either see a replay, or someone on the board can breakdown that play, because all I saw was 3 Redskins behind Cruz. Either that play call was REALLY terrible, our secondary is about as good as a bunch of monkeys in uniforms.[/quote]Williams blown coverage, plain & simple. Didn't DVR it, but I believe call was Man-2.

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[quote=44ever;954895]Lets not start this Sh** again...[/quote]

What shit? im not saying fire the coach, im not giving up on the season. I still think we are going to win the division when its all said and done. Hasletts track record as a DC and HC in this league are well documented - he is a loser. I dont think a single player on the team will miss him.

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[quote=Bucket;954898]Its not Haslett. Players play the game. Wilson wws getting beat, so you put the double team on Cruz and they BOTH got beat...

Haslett called a good game... He doesnt play.[/quote]

agree 100%. Not his fault at all.

[QUOTE=Jayroc24;954887]When I say back.... I mean way back..... the front four were getting pressure. The safeties should have been way back..... That is either on the Coach or the players, I would love to hear who screwed that one up.[/QUOTE]

They only needed a fg,I'm sure haslet was playing to stop fg so you don't have your safety's drop way back


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[quote=punch it in;954897]they were playing the short pass -that is evident. you have to at all costs have a safety deep there - I understand williams sucks but you cant fire him - someone has to be held accountable for that - Haslett.[/quote]

Just like you fire Kyle when we had Rex throwing pics last year? Just stop it.

He wasnt playing the short pass. Williams played the short pass. When you call a double coverage its up to the DBs to situate the situation on the field. Not Haslett.. He calls the defense, he doesnt tell Williams how to make the play.

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[quote=Bucket;954898]Its not Haslett. Players play the game. Wilson wws getting beat, so you put the double team on Cruz and they BOTH got beat...

Haslett called a good game... He doesnt play.[/quote]

Our offense and the long drives resulting in points basically kept eli off the field for the entire first half. Not sure I would say Haslett called a good game. Eli misfired on a lot of passes or it would never have been close. It is hasletts job to make sure someone is deep on that last drive. He failed.

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[quote=Bucket;954905]Just like you fire Kyle when we had Rex throwing pics last year? Just stop it.

He wasnt playing the short pass. Williams played the short pass. When you call a double coverage its up to the DBs to situate the situation on the field. Not Haslett.. He calls the defense, he doesnt tell Williams how to make the play.[/quote]

I never said fire KS last year so not sure where you are going with that. If you think Haslett will be the DC on this team next year than I want some of what you are smoking. lol - why wait is all im saying.

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[quote=punch it in;954897]they were playing the short pass -that is evident. you have to at all costs have a safety deep there - I understand williams sucks but you cant fire him - someone has to be held accountable for that - Haslett.[/quote]

Williams stared right at the guy running down the field passed him and decided to go only after Cruz had him in his rearview. Maideu needs to make a play. He looked like a fish out of water on that one.

I may sound like a know it all but its honestly not that hard. You know you're up with a minute and some change to go. You watch the out and corner since Wilson had inside leverage, but you play the deep ball at all costs. You play the deep ball and react to the short throw. You DONT just say, "welp, Haslett called short coverage so even though i see the leagues best deep threat running straight towards the end zone - I'm just gonna stay here in my zone."

btw, i seriously doubt Haslett called "all short coverage" or whatever we want to call it. He's bad, but not mentally challenged.

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Lots to knock, starting with the first FG instead of running Morris. BUT, we were in it even given:

6 turnovers (extremely uncharacteristic)
Loss of our starting TE
Loss of Gomes (not a big deal)
Loss of Fletcher at the end

Ultimately, we had every opportunity to win, and our D came up with a few stops, thanks to TO's mostly which they continue to get.

If anyone isn't excited by this team's future they are crazy. Not that there's anything wrong with that

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Well, Win or Loss today, I already thought we had lost, because losing Fred Davis is crucial for our offense. Sure Paulsen looked good, and Paul has speed, but neither is FD. Get ready for us to sign Cooley.

The turnovers were crucial as well. I said to one of my buddies that I just saw us blowing this game by fumbling it...hate it when I'm negatively right.

Robert played like a rookie a few times today, but overall he's still a top 10 QB.

From the start of the season I said our secondary sucks. So I feel like this isn't a surprise to anyone here that we would blow games or allow huge plays or both this season with that POS secondary we have. This offseason we better be looking at secondary guys in FA and Drafting CBs and S's in that draft all around.

I LOVED that our team was so competitive though with the "Best team in the NFC" at their place. Imagine how this game will be later in the season when we play these guys again AT our place.

I think even though our OL allowed 3 sacks, we still are ok there at that position. Sure Polumbus is the worst on that line, but he's still better than a lot of other teams RTs.

The penalty in the opening drive on FD not resetting killed us, but all in all, we still had a chance later in the game (2 chances actually) and blew it.

Oh well, on to the Steelers. A team that has problems all over their defense; but also has fast WRs that can and will beat you deep...

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The secondary should be charged with crimes against humanity.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;954900]RG3 is by far the R.O.Y and maybe the damn MVP be years end, he literally carries this team. JH will be fired after this season, my god how do u let CRUZ that wide open???????????????????????????

sad

we should be 4-3 and in 1st[/quote]

Haslett didn't LET anyone get open. He was on the sideline last i checked.

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anyway - ill let the Redskins decide what to do about Haslett. I know what I would do.
We played on the road against the Giants and out played them. We shot ourselves in the foot - if we get BW back and Garcon we are going to be dangerous. Even if we dont - I will say again that we are going to win this division. So this is not be wanting to blow anything up - Im actually encouraged by what I saw today. I just think Haslett brings nothing to the table - at all.

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Skins future is so bright , this one burns folks but we aren't a playoff team anyway. The D is too bad to be that kind of a team. I'm still saying 8-8

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[quote=punch it in;954902]What shit? im not saying fire the coach, im not giving up on the season. I still think we are going to win the division when its all said and done. Hasletts track record as a DC and HC in this league are well documented - he is a loser. I dont think a single player on the team will miss him.[/quote]

We have to have stability and let everyone settle in as we continue to build around RG3 and fill in the holes on Def. If we keep starting over with new coaching, we will go nowhere. You say you believe we will win the division, you cant do that with bad coaching. be patient...

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it looked to me like they were in man coverage with 2 safeties deep -each covering a half of the field. on that play wilson got beat in man and madieu williams sucks -dont know what williams was thinking or doing there

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[quote=punch it in;954907]Our offense and the long drives resulting in points basically kept eli off the field for the entire first half. Not sure I would say Haslett called a good game. Eli misfired on a lot of passes or it would never have been close. It is hasletts job to make sure someone is deep on that last drive. He failed.[/quote]

No use trying to convince you. You have blinders on.. You just dont understand schemes and how its played or you are just being critical of anything. Haslett calls the defense .. Williams and Wilson were orchestrated to double team Cruz. Now take in to effect tbat the Giants still have 3photoshop timeoits and 1:50+ on the clock. They only need a FG. So throwing 2 safeties 30 yards back is not a good call.

Double man OVER was an excellent call for the situation. Ive watched it 3 times now, and Williams simply didnt REACT fast enough. He didnt react to the short or the deep. He just didnt do anything..

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Cant believe how good RG3 is. wow

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[quote=Chico23231;954923]Cant believe how good RG3 is. wow[/quote]


he's elite status already imo

right now after 7 weeks name me 10 QBs better than RG3

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[quote=44ever;954918]We have to have stability and let everyone settle in as we continue to build around RG3 and fill in the holes on Def. If we keep starting over with new coaching, we will go nowhere. You say you believe we will win the division, you cant do that with bad coaching. be patient...[/quote]

We will win despite him. KS and MS have won and had success in other places - Haslett has a track record of losing and fielding mediocre to bad defenses. I dont think replacing your DC midseason is a blow it up and start all over again move by any stretch of the imagination. The guy is a liability.

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[quote=punch it in;954908]I never said fire KS last year so not sure where you are going with that. If you think Haslett will be the DC on this team next year than I want some of what you are smoking. lol - why wait is all im saying.[/quote]

Huh? Are you in the Redskins front office or own a time machine? Maybe they dont plan on firing Haslett and plan on working on the secondary in the offseason like they did with the QB position this year?

No ofcourse not.. Thats to much like building a team. Lets just fire Haslett and bring in a new scheme again.

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[quote=Ruhskins;954871]RG3 threw a horrible pick and fumbled the ball. This was an entire team loss, lots of blame to go around.[/quote]

I agree but he redeem himself...at least in my eyes after he threw what should have been the game winning TD. It was a team loss of course but the Cruz TD broke our back.

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On that last TD for Cruz, Judging by the way that Wilson was playing, he was expecting Williams over the top. Thats why he lets Cruz past him and undercuts him. It was a Hi-Lo double coverage that Williams went to sleep on.

I used to help coach on the youth level a while back and one thing I always told boys was "Nobody is a hero, Everybody is a team mate". Williams went for the hero play expecting Cruz to go short. He wanted to jump the route and be the hero. That Cruz TD is all on Williams. He cared about his stats over the team win. And thats exactly what happens when someone wants to be the hero.

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They had Victor Cruz double covered on his touchdown pass, Williams just got blown out of the water and Eli put up a great throw. Can't blame Haslett on that one.

Turnovers is the main reason we lost today. When you turn the ball over 4 times in one half, most of the time you are going to lose. I'm not going to panic though because this is the only game this year where that has happened. Learn from it and move on.

And also give kudos to Blackburn or whomever it was that ripped the ball out from Moss on that last drive. He covered it up with both arms and their guy just had his arm in the right place at the right time. Moss has never been known for his ball security but it wasn't like he was being careless there.

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[quote=Bucket;954922]No use trying to convince you. You have blinders on.. You just dont understand schemes and how its played or you are just being critical of anything. Haslett calls the defense .. Williams and Wilson were orchestrated to double team Cruz. Now take in to effect tbat the Giants still have 3photoshop timeoits and 1:50+ on the clock. They only need a FG. So throwing 2 safeties 30 yards back is not a good call.

Double man OVER was an excellent call for the situation. Ive watched it 3 times now, and Williams simply didnt REACT fast enough. He didnt react to the short or the deep. He just didnt do anything..[/quote]

That is your philosophy - mine is that you consider the situation. The situation is that Eli Manning has a minute and a half to go down the field (which he does almost on a weekly basis). We KNOW our secondary sucks. So to put Wilson and Williams in a postion to do anything other than prevent seven is asking them to do to much. With our D and Eli Manning at home on a potential game winning drive - you play to hold them to three - you play it safe there. Yes - you are rite - if you are trying to convince me that we have the rite guy in charge of our Defense I will NEVER EVER agree with you

Are we going to be in the playoffs? Probably not but I think we are definitely good enough to be in the playoffs.

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[quote=Gtothearry;954937]Are we going to be in the playoffs? Probably not but I think we are definitely good enough to be in the playoffs.[/quote]


we need to get on a 3 - 4 game roll now and i just dont see us doing it with our horrible d.. Next week is a win imo because Pitt isn't really scary on O

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Raheem Morris been a difference in our secondary? Big NOPE

Fire all the coordinators, they all suck. We have all pro players all over the field, has to be the coaches. JK.
This loss in on both the offense and defense, we turned the ball over too much.