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Whether people agree with it or not, I just cannot fathom why other people should be afforded less rights than others. That's the bottom line.

I mean take POLITICS out of it even, it's just a basic human right.

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You say less rights but they can marry a person of the opposit sex like us, so they do have the same rights. People could say you want to grant them additional rights. So while we are at it I want to have the right to marry 3 women.

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They don't have the same rights. I was able to marry the woman I love. My neighbor down the street can't marry the man he loves

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Robert Ingersoll on rights:

"The true civilization is where every man gives to every other man every right he claims for himself."

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[quote=firstdown;916338]You say less rights but they can marry a person of the opposit sex like us, so they do have the same rights. People could say you want to grant them additional rights. [B]So while we are at it I want to have the right to marry 3 women.[/B][/quote]

And you should be able to. As long as everybody is a voluntary, willing, adult participant, there should be no restrictions.

Why there are so many people who think that adults engaging in consentual acts with other adults need the approval or permission of other adults in a country that calls itself "free" is baffling.

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[quote=SmootSmack;916349]They don't have the same rights. I was able to marry the woman I love. My neighbor down the street can't marry the man he loves[/quote]

But like you he can marry a woman. You know I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. I love three women is that also ok?

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[quote=SmootSmack;916349]They don't have the same rights. I was able to marry the woman I love. My neighbor down the street can't marry the man he loves[/quote]

Amen. firstdown, really? I mean step aside from religion for just a hot second. What's the big deal? I'd love to hear a non-religion based argument.

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[quote=firstdown;916361]But like you he can marry a woman. You know I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. [B]I love three women is that also ok?[/B][/quote]

The question should be rephrased as "I love three women, why isn't OK to marry them all?"

...the second and the third question then become "can firstdown handle three women" and "are there three women on the planet with low enough self-esteem to want to marry firstdown?"

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I think there is plenty enough ignorance to go around on both sides of the argument...I've already been witness to that in this thread by all the childish name calling.

Look, here's the thing, it comes down to simply this: state sponsored benefits. The state recognizing heterosexual marriage was mainly intended to encourage those married couples to procreate and populate. More population = more taxable income from future generations, at least in the government's eyes. The government can care less, or should care less, about the sanctity of marriage or who loves whom, so forth and so on. That isn't really the purpose of this.

My point is, the government is going about this the wrong way. You people who are still arguing hot and heavy in favor of gay marriage are still supporting discrimination, because you have flat out ignored those loving couples who have children together but are not married nor believe in marriage, yet have a loving home together. Should they be left out in the dark as well? Might I add that not all of the states in the union recognize a couple living together for so many years as being legally married. At least that isn't the case in NC. But, my point is, I have not heard any of the high and mighty here be a voice for any of those people either!

The thing is, the arugment has gone into a polarizing way where you're a homophobe if you don't agree with homosexuality, or your ignorant or whatever. You're just as ignorant for trying to down people's beliefs and belittling them in hopes of changing their views. That's a third grade way of going about doing things. It's just as intolerant. There would be absolutely no argument from either side if the government stayed out the marriage business like it should. If it was so gun-ho on giving benefits to couples who could procreate or wanting to adopt, then it should have just left it at that - benefits to those who are living together and have children together either through natural means or adoption. That way, nobody is left out. But, people will continue to argue and fight the wrong fight, and as long as it's about trying to convince somebody that their views are right or wrong, this country will never get passed this issue.

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The gays will eventually win, it's just a matter of time. All these GOP/Conservative efforts will eventually die and we will look back and say "WTF were those morons thinking?"

In time victory shall belong to the gays, resistance is merely a temporary gimmick.

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[quote=skinsguy;916380]The thing is, the arugment has gone into a polarizing way where you're a homophobe if you don't agree with homosexuality, or your ignorant or whatever. You're just as ignorant for trying to down people's beliefs and belittling them in hopes of changing their views. That's a third grade way of going about doing things. It's just as intolerant. [/quote]

Not sure you are referring to me because I've used the term ignorant on a few occasions in here, but it wasn't for their views on homosexuality. It was for their inability to see that all people should have rights as human beings, and that these marriages affect them in absolutely no way whatsoever. So what do you call a guy who's mad at somebody for doing something that doesn't affect him whatsoever?

I could care less if people want to view homosexuality as a sin or what not. That's their choosing just as other religions choose to believe what they want.

However, when your religion interferes with others rights, it then becomes a problem.

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[quote=skinsguy;916380]I think there is plenty enough ignorance to go around on both sides of the argument...I've already been witness to that in this thread by all the childish name calling.

[B]Look, here's the thing, it comes down to simply this: state sponsored benefits. The state recognizing heterosexual marriage was mainly intended to encourage those married couples to procreate and populate. More population = more taxable income from future generations, at least in the government's eyes. The government can care less, or should care less, about the sanctity of marriage or who loves whom, so forth and so on. That isn't really the purpose of this. [/B]

My point is, the government is going about this the wrong way. You people who are still arguing hot and heavy in favor of gay marriage are still supporting discrimination, because you have flat out ignored those loving couples who have children together but are not married nor believe in marriage, yet have a loving home together. Should they be left out in the dark as well? Might I add that not all of the states in the union recognize a couple living together for so many years as being legally married. At least that isn't the case in NC. But, my point is, I have not heard any of the high and mighty here be a voice for any of those people either!

The thing is, the arugment has gone into a polarizing way where you're a homophobe if you don't agree with homosexuality, or your ignorant or whatever. You're just as ignorant for trying to down people's beliefs and belittling them in hopes of changing their views. That's a third grade way of going about doing things. It's just as intolerant. There would be absolutely no argument from either side if the government stayed out the marriage business like it should. If it was so gun-ho on giving benefits to couples who could procreate or wanting to adopt, then it should have just left it at that - benefits to those who are living together and have children together either through natural means or adoption. That way, nobody is left out. But, people will continue to argue and fight the wrong fight, and as long as it's about trying to convince somebody that their views are right or wrong, this country will never get passed this issue.[/quote]

I am not sure how much thought you've put into the above paragraph but two things stick out to me immediately:

a) unmarried/single people pay more in taxes
b) less population less expenditure

With the way things are right now in this country you want more unmarried/single people pay more taxes and population growth to dwindle or even go into the negative.

If the government truly wants to have more money in it's coffers it should discourage marriage.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;916366]Amen. firstdown, really? I mean step aside from religion for just a hot second. What's the big deal? I'd love to hear a non-religion based argument.[/quote]

If you read my prior post I said I had no problem with gay marriage.

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[quote=NC_Skins;916383]Not sure you are referring to me because I've used the term ignorant on a few occasions in here, but it wasn't for their views on homosexuality. It was for their inability to see that all people should have rights as human beings, and that these marriages affect them in absolutely no way whatsoever. So what do you call a guy who's mad at somebody for doing something that doesn't affect him whatsoever?

I could care less if people want to view homosexuality as a sin or what not. That's their choosing just as other religions choose to believe what they want.

However, when your religion interferes with others rights, it then becomes a problem.[/quote]

That being said, skinsguy really does break it down to a pretty decent bottom-line. I think the problem is that it comes from a place of hate/intolerance from (most) people who oppose gay marriage. There are many, many intangible things in this whole argument, but the tangible one is also a VERY important one that skinsguy elaborated on.

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[quote=skinsguy;916380]
My point is, the government is going about this the wrong way. You people who are still arguing hot and heavy in favor of gay marriage are still supporting discrimination, because you have flat out ignored those loving couples who have children together but are not married nor believe in marriage, yet have a loving home together. Should they be left out in the dark as well? Might I add that not all of the states in the union recognize a couple living together for so many years as being legally married. At least that isn't the case in NC. But, my point is, I have not heard any of the high and mighty here be a voice for any of those people either!

The thing is, the arugment has gone into a polarizing way where you're a homophobe if you don't agree with homosexuality, or your ignorant or whatever. You're just as ignorant for trying to down people's beliefs and belittling them in hopes of changing their views. That's a third grade way of going about doing things. It's just as intolerant. There would be absolutely no argument from either side if the government stayed out the marriage business like it should. If it was so gun-ho on giving benefits to couples who could procreate or wanting to adopt, then it should have just left it at that - benefits to those who are living together and have children together either through natural means or adoption. That way, nobody is left out. But, people will continue to argue and fight the wrong fight, and as long as it's about trying to convince somebody that their views are right or wrong, this country will never get passed this issue.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Very well said. I took out the first part though because its not really state sponsored benefits, at least in my research and opinion.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I tried a while back to see why government, and in particular the federal government, became involved in marriage in the first place. As best as I can tell it deals with basic record keeping by individual states followed by federal law for property/ownership rights relating to women (back when women didn’t have many rights) and for federal taxation of income and property. And finally for welfare entitlements starting in the 30’s. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Im nearly certain initial “dependency” type elections (your spouse is on your employer’s healthcare plan) all initially originated by goodwill from private corporations, much like how some corporations are starting to offer dependency rights for gay couples now-a-days. However, at some point initial goodwill morphed into public policy and became enforceable via federal law. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So now you have certain “rights” but more appropriately these things should be called certain laws/restrictions and penalties governing traditional marriage.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So to me the issue isn’t that gay people cant get married to the person they love, its that in order to be subjected to certain rights/laws/restrictions/penalties we have to get married. But on top of that marriage is defined in a way to specifically exclude certain people/groups.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Ive mentioned here before that I think gays being denied the ability to have marriage laws imposed on their relationships is the biggest civil rights issue of our day. However, I think im changing my opinion. We should all have the right to elect “Traditional Marriage” laws be imposed on any type of relationship we are involved in with another competent adult(s). We should also be free to not elect those “rights”[/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Skinsguy you are so right in the unfairness couples face who choose not to wed which deny them from certain rules imposed on their relationship. Everyone should be able to elect the same set of rules for their relationship. It should be without restriction but otherwise left as it is now; as a purely contractual legal matter.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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The only issue with all this is that the certain rights/laws/restrictions/penalties all need to be modified. They were created for a specific set of principals and if those principles change you need to change these certain rights/laws/restrictions/penalties.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=saden1;916400]I am not sure how much thought you've put into the above paragraph but two things stick out to me immediately:

a) unmarried/single people pay more in taxes
b) less population less expenditure

With the way things are right now in this country you want more unmarried/single people pay more taxes and population growth to dwindle or even go into the negative.

If the government truly wants to have more money in it's coffers it should discourage marriage.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I dont think either of you guys are right. But i guess i think youre more wrong: [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]a) If youre subject to entitlements dont get married. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]That is unless your spouse to be makes a lot of money relative to your income. Getting married in this situtation can cut your rate down significantly. Perhaps progressively in "half", but "progressively in half" isnt real in half[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]b) less population also means less revenue [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]A and B are arguable but i completely disagree with your last sentence.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Entitlement reform needs to change because it discourages marriage. 47% of us pay no income tax. 20 some percent pay a negative income tax (get money for showing up). 10-20% pay a negative income so high they effectively pay no payroll tax. If all these people were married they would loose out on a lot of loot. [/FONT][/COLOR]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Social security benefits straight up hook married people up. You never worked a day in your life, but your husband made tons and is subject to the full benefit amount? Cool, you get half of his straight up. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=NC_Skins;916157]Not sure why really. Could be the age groups in those areas, it could be that more locals go to the other schools as compared to locals go to ECU. As for why my ignorant gay hating community voted yes? Well, it's because they are a ignorant gay hating community. Nothing else to say on that.

[B]Guess I paid more attention in classes than some people.[/B]

A degree doesn't mean you aren't ignorant. You can be ignorant and still have a degree.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So people that dont believe in same sex marriage just need to take some classes at ECU and pay attention? Out of curiosity what was your major? [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mooby;916163]? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you actually disagree with my statement. It should be obvious by now I disagree with all the bible-thumpers wanting to protect the sanctity of marriage and its' 55% divorce rate.[/quote]


I just thought your statement was funny, my bad wasnt trying to be a dick or anything.

I think most of us are the same way though. People are morons or whatever if they impose rules on us and those we agree with. But we all like it when they impose rules on those or for those we disagree with.

Maybe we just need less rules.

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[quote=saden1;916378]The question should be rephrased as "I love three women, why isn't OK to marry them all?"

...the second and the third question then become "can firstdown handle three women" and "are there three women on the planet with low enough self-esteem to want to marry firstdown?"[/quote]

edit not worth my time.

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[quote=firstdown;916304]Well they said that in NC it would come down to a 50/50 vote and would be very close. Well it won with something like 62 or 64 % of the vote so you might be wishing for the wrong thing. I also lioke how you feel the need to call people who don't agree with gay marriage "homophobes". That's straight out of the left wing hand book. If they don't agree with you call them names.[/quote]

Why else would they vote for ammendment 1? Gay marriage was already illegal but that wasn't enough so they took it a step furthered and stripped away the rights provided by Civil Unions. If it isn't homophobia I don't know what it is.

The thing that makes me sick though is that this is religion getting involved in government and this is the type of stuff that separation of church and state is suppose to stop.

I have not heard a single argument from another person against gay marriage that isn't based on religion and divine mandates.

The rest of the world is laughing at us while we keep beating our chest calling ourselves the land of the free. In the short term it makes me sick and pissed off but I have realized that it's getting within striking distance now and within 10 or 20 years that 39% vote will become the 61% if not more.

Remember the majority of people in the south were against interracial marriage all the way through the Civil Rights. Those people who "disagreed" with interracial marriage are now called racist. Just like the people who "disagree" with gay marriage if not now will eventually be referred to as homophobes. Just for reference think back to how people who supported separate but equal have been remembered.

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[quote]“all marriages between a white person and a Negro or between a white person and a person of Negro descent to the third generation inclusive are, hereby, forever prohibited.”[/quote]

And this pattern has repeated itself through history. Women's sufferage, slavery, basic human rights for women like owning property. Heck at one point gay sex was illegal in 49 states. Majorities were against those same issues. Doesn't make them right.

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[quote=SmootSmack;916349]They don't have the same rights. I was able to marry the woman I love. My neighbor down the street can't marry the man he loves[/quote]

Right. Because you're already married.

:Smoker:

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Live and let live.

It's all horseshit, it shouldn't be an issue in the hands of voters. Just another BS hot button issue to distract voters.

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[quote=mlmpetert;916420][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I dont think either of you guys are right. But i guess [B]i think youre more wrong[/B]: [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]a) If youre subject to entitlements dont get married. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]That is unless your spouse to be makes a lot of money relative to your income. Getting married in this situtation can cut your rate down significantly. Perhaps progressively in "half", but "progressively in half" isnt real in half[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]b) less population also means less revenue [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]A and B are arguable but i completely disagree with your last sentence.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Entitlement reform needs to change because it discourages marriage. 47% of us pay no income tax. 20 some percent pay a negative income tax (get money for showing up). 10-20% pay a negative income so high they effectively pay no payroll tax. If all these people were married they would loose out on a lot of loot. [/FONT][/COLOR]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Social security benefits straight up hook married people up. You never worked a day in your life, but your husband made tons and is subject to the full benefit amount? Cool, you get half of his straight up. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]


You should reconsider and reevaluate your thoughts. What part of what I said offends basic logic? Is it the fact that people who are single pay more in taxes than married people? You know, the tax law that requires two unmarried people to file separately and thus forfeit certain tax benefits afforded to married couples? Or is it the part where having less people means less spending on infrastructure, entitlement and various other general welfare such as student loans and educational grants?

Here's is a simple brain exercise that can help you sort out your thoughts. Ask yourself what would happen to this country's revenues and expenditures if:

a) You eliminate tax breaks for married couples.
b) You kill off 2.5% of all those over the age 65 and increase the infant mortality rate to 2.5%. Or if you wish just kill off 5% of the population.

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[quote=Mattyk;916492]Live and let live.

It's all horseshit, it shouldn't be an issue in the hands of voters. Just another BS hot button issue to distract voters.[/quote]

I totally agree.

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I didn't read the whole thread but I live here in nc and the amendment 1 was about a lot more then gay marriage. That was just a front for it to pass. It had a lot to do with Medicaid for children and seniors. Also I guess if you're gf and bf it's ok to beat on each other because it's only domestic violence if you're married according to amendment 1. It's horrible and I hate that it passed

This whole thing is a shame. In 20 to 30 years we will be looking back at this ban and thinking it was ridiculous. Its crazy how history just continues to repeat itself, especially when it comes to rights.

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[quote=johnwayne;916537]I didn't read the whole thread but I live here in nc and the amendment 1 was about a lot more then gay marriage. That was just a front for it to pass. It had a lot to do with Medicaid for children and seniors. Also I guess if you're gf and bf it's ok to beat on each other because it's only domestic violence if you're married according to amendment 1. It's horrible and I hate that it passed[/quote]

Correct. Most of these idiots don't even realize they've squashed rights for not only homosexuals, but for heterosexuals as well. Goodbye to civil unions and domestic partnerships between men and women.

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I think this map makes a even better statement than the other.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;916457]Remember the majority of people in the south were against interracial marriage all the way through the Civil Rights. Those people who "disagreed" with interracial marriage are now called racist. Just like the people who "disagree" with gay marriage if not now will eventually be referred to as homophobes. Just for reference think back to how people who supported separate but equal have been remembered. [/quote]



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[quote=mlmpetert;916422][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So people that dont believe in same sex marriage just need to take some classes at ECU and pay attention? Out of curiosity what was your major? [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

I was being a smart ass when I said that I guessed I just paid better attention than others in class. My degree is a B.S. in industrial tech: (electronics)...with minor in business. My focus was more into networking...aka cisco routers and switches. I have to say, my funnest moment was making a clock out of LEDs, capacitors, and a circuit board.


If you look at the numbers on the education level and look at the way the voting went, it would show you everything you need to know.

I used to be one those people. I believed that being gay was a choice. I believed homosexuality was wrong. I believe it was against nature. Twenty one years ago and I would have voted for this amendment. Life change the moment I started broadening my mind. I attribute a great deal of my growth to a simple philosophy class.

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TO show you that a degree doesn't mean you aren't ignorant, I present you this following FB exhange from a girl who just finished her bachelors degree in nursing.


[B]Girl's FB status:[/B] Its so scarey to think about what will be the social norm and socially accepted in years to come. Start praying for your children now!


[B]My response:[/B] Funny, people said the same thing when the topic of women's rights came about. /shrug

[B]Girl's reply:[/B] Well to tell you the truth I would rather have my children growing up then...before we had any "rights" than I would now. Its just scarey to me...thats all I was saying.


If that doesn't make you facepalm, I don't know what will. She's rather undo all of women's rights just to see homosexuals denied the right to be married. If that isn't ignorance, then I'm clueless to what it is then.

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[quote=Mattyk;916492]Live and let live.

It's all horseshit, it shouldn't be an issue in the hands of voters. Just another BS hot button issue to distract voters.[/quote]

Exactly. If my boss were to say "Hey SmootSmack, so listen I'm gay and I want to marry my boyfriend" I'd say "Congratulations" and get back to work. If he says "I'm gay, and my boyfriend dumped me" I'd say "Sorry to hear that" and get back to work. But if he says "Business isn't going well. We're going to have shut things down and let you go"....then we've got problems

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;916560]Exactly. If my boss were to say "Hey SmootSmack, so listen I'm gay and I want to marry my boyfriend" I'd say "Congratulations" and get back to work. If he says "I'm gay, and my boyfriend dumped me" I'd say "Sorry to hear that" and get back to work. But if he says "Business isn't going well. We're going to have shut things down and let you go"....then we've got problems[/QUOTE]

But the way "traditional" marriage and unions are viewed there has to be clear legislation or ammendment (or a mandate) for same sex couples to officially declare their partnership and receive the same benefits hetro couples can.

Those two factors matter quite a bit to heterosexuals county couples so why wouldn't they for homosexuals? The fact that it's gotten politicized is a by product of democracy and a lack of education. If this weren't a political issue, it would have already been legal and we wouldn't be talking about it.

And to be clear, I'm talking about the same sex "debate" at a high level not just North Carolina.

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[quote=NC_Skins;916551]TO show you that a degree doesn't mean you aren't ignorant, I present you this following FB exhange from a girl who just finished her bachelors degree in nursing.


[B]Girl's FB status:[/B] Its so scarey to think about what will be the social norm and socially accepted in years to come. Start praying for your children now!


[B]My response:[/B] Funny, people said the same thing when the topic of women's rights came about. /shrug

[B]Girl's reply:[/B] Well to tell you the truth I would rather have my children growing up then...before we had any "rights" than I would now. Its just scarey to me...thats all I was saying.


If that doesn't make you facepalm, I don't know what will. She's rather undo all of women's rights just to see homosexuals denied the right to be married. If that isn't ignorance, then I'm clueless to what it is then.[/quote]

I'm not going to get into this any more, but I definitely had a few similar Facebook experiences with stuff like that. Love that people act like homosexuality is the ultimate sin. Had to call one of them out on Facebook for the divorce as well... :doh:

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[quote=NC_Skins;916383]Not sure you are referring to me because I've used the term ignorant on a few occasions in here, but it wasn't for their views on homosexuality. It was for their inability to see that all people should have rights as human beings, and that these marriages affect them in absolutely no way whatsoever. So what do you call a guy who's mad at somebody for doing something that doesn't affect him whatsoever?

I could care less if people want to view homosexuality as a sin or what not. That's their choosing just as other religions choose to believe what they want.

However, when your religion interferes with others rights, it then becomes a problem.[/quote]

The thing is, you're really arguing for the religious to compromise their beliefs by agreeing to vote for something they feel is sin. So then, the shoe is really on the other foot. Their religious beliefs are then interfered with, and I believe that is just as much as problem as you say the opposite way. Either way, someone's beliefs are going to be interfered with. That is why I said before, government should have never got into the "marriage" business to begin with. If those in government truly wanted a separation of church and state, they should have never messed with marriage.

Re: North Carolina passes same-sex marriage ban
 

[quote=saden1;916400]I am not sure how much thought you've put into the above paragraph but two things stick out to me immediately:

a) unmarried/single people pay more in taxes
b) less population less expenditure

With the way things are right now in this country you want more unmarried/single people pay more taxes and population growth to dwindle or even go into the negative.

If the government truly wants to have more money in it's coffers it should discourage marriage.[/quote]

Right, but you're missing the point I was making. The point is, unmarried, single people are likely to not have children, which means there is no generation of new tax payers. That is what the government was looking at. Also, less population less expenditure = less population, less taxes, (income, sales, personal property, etc) being paid back into the state. The government wanted to encourage what it felt like were stable unions (married couples who could biological procreate) in order to keep a steady flow of generations of tax payers, and to keep the population up. It's possible that by now, there is not a need to have such a high population, and maybe the government should revisit its tax and benefits breaks for married couples with children, but I believe this is where it all comes from. After all, if it was simply a case of the government wanting to side with one religion or another, then what benefit would it be getting from that? That's what people fail to think about.