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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/2/10/2789996/what-kind-of-contract-will-redskins-offer-ufa-tim-hightower]What Kind of Contract will Redskins Offer UFA Tim Hightower? - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think we should offer him.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;884035][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/2/10/2789996/what-kind-of-contract-will-redskins-offer-ufa-tim-hightower]What Kind of Contract will Redskins Offer UFA Tim Hightower? - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think we should offer him.[/quote]

I'd like to see him back with a reasonable short term deal. I don't think he's going to be in high demand and we already have two young backs that have shown they can get it done.

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PCinOZ has a finance and business management background, is in contact with multiple in side sources, and assumes as little as possible on his pages. He has the Skins at as much as 43 million under as of today.

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[quote=Rat_Boy;884080]PCinOZ has a finance and business management background, is in contact with multiple in side sources, and assumes as little as possible on his pages. He has the Skins at as much as 43 million under as of today.[/quote]

Welcome and thanks for the bio.... would you be PCinOZ?

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;884035][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/2/10/2789996/what-kind-of-contract-will-redskins-offer-ufa-tim-hightower]What Kind of Contract will Redskins Offer UFA Tim Hightower? - Hogs Haven[/url]

What do you think we should offer him.[/quote]

if healthy and comes back and can play in a similar fashion, 2 year 3.5 million would probably lock him up as your 3rd RB/3rd down back.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;884089]Welcome and thanks for the bio.... would you be PCinOZ?[/quote]

LOL.. Nah..

PC has an account here as well, but he was banned for some reason.

Me and him both admin a different forum.

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[quote=Rat_Boy;884094]LOL.. Nah..

PC has an account here as well, but he was banned for some reason.

Me and him both admin a different forum.[/quote]

Yes I know your forum and PC's cap sheets.

Not sure why he was banned, will have to look into it.

Also PC's $43M cap room number is assuming a salary cap of $120M, when most projections are closer to $125M.

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He spammed the forum until he had enough posts to start a new thread.

He wasn't very clever about it either, he literally went like

Post 1

Post 2

Post 3

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[quote=Mattyk;884131]He spammed the forum until he had enough posts to start a new thread.

He wasn't very clever about it either, he literally went like

Post 1

Post 2

Post 3[/quote]

Ah...

Yea, that rule frustrated me too.

I wanted to post about a Redskins meetup at a Sports Bar in Georgia and couldn't post the thread.

Of course, I didn't post junk to get my post count up.

Guess he wanted to start a thread pretty bad. LOL...

As far as the cap number goes, either way, that is a ton of space. I hope the FO puts it to real good use.

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I'll go ahead and un-ban him, I didn't realize who he was otherwise I probably wouldn't have

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Maybe you should wait until Valentines Day?

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Thanks Matty!

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[quote=Mattyk;884278]I'll go ahead and un-ban him, I didn't realize who he was otherwise I probably wouldn't have[/quote]

Let there be Light.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;885282][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7570116/nfl-plenty-cap-room-improve]NFL - Plenty of (cap) room to improve - ESPN[/url]

Dan Snyder of the Washington Redskins has plenty of room to get quarterback and receiver help, thanks to $47.56 million of cap space.[/quote]

Thanks to Dirt for the link.

Note I have added the $13.6M credit to my cap sheets. I've seen this number reported multiple times.

That brings my cap room to $49.5M, using a 2012 cap limit of $125M. Not sure what number Clayton is using for the 2012 cap limit, but looks like we're pretty close.

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50m......amazing

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i'm out of a lot of loops. i didn't realize that the formula for franchise players pay had changed. i really like this new formula compared to the old

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[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2012/under-cap-nfc-east-cap-overview]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Under the Cap: NFC East Cap Overview[/url]

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;886999][url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/under-cap/2012/under-cap-nfc-east-cap-overview]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Under the Cap: NFC East Cap Overview[/url][/quote]

Good find CC, we just need to spend wisely IMO.

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i'd rather tag landry and sign davis than vice versa

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;887025]Good find CC, we just need to spend wisely IMO.[/quote]

I like the comment, "I don't want to live in a world where the Redskins are almost $50 mil under the cap. Nothing makes sense anymore."

Hilarious;)

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[quote=44Deezel;887117]I like the comment, "I don't want to live in a world where the Redskins are almost $50 mil under the cap. Nothing makes sense anymore."

Hilarious;)[/quote]

Don't it feel like we're in the Twilight Zone.

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i wonder vinny thinks to himself

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[quote=GTripp0012;877657]Taken from Evan Silva's [URL="http://rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/39667/59/nfl-free-agent-master-list?pg=1"]indispensable rotoworld article[/URL]:



I would imagine of all the defensive positions the Redskins are likely to draft at, corner and safety are among the most likely.

There are about nine guys on that list at the top (eight minus Rogers) who would be intriguing options opposite Josh Wilson, and about half this list would be a nice upgrade over what Hall offers. For six million dollars of used cap space, that is:

The league against DeAngelo Hall, QB passer rating (on passes where Hall is targeted):

2010 - 105.8
2011 - 100.4[/quote]

Those number are worthless without knowing how many times they actually threw his way.

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[B]**UPDATED (February 29, 2012)** Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Info[/B]

[U]2012 Salary Cap Situation[/U]
1. Salary Cap Projection = [COLOR="Silver"]$124 million[/COLOR] $120.375 million <-- No projected salary cap increase
2a. Number of players under contract for the Redskins = [COLOR="Silver"]47[/COLOR] 53
2b. Redskins Cap Number, February 2012 = [COLOR="Silver"]$86.3 million[/COLOR] $93.5 million
2c. Difference between adjusted 2012 cap number and projected cap = $26.875 million
2d. Redskins 2011 Salary Cap Rollover = $13 million
[B]3. Salary Cap space, February 2012 + cap rollover = $39.875 million[/B]

4. Potential player releases from $86.3 million cap number (plus 375k UDFA val):[INDENT]DeAngelo Hall, $6.2 million-375k = $5.8 million net gain
O.J. Atogwe, $2.3 million-375k = $1.9 million net gain
Jammal Brown, -$650k-375k = -$1.0 million [net loss]
John Beck, $1 million-375k = $0.6 million net gain
Mike Sellers, $925k-375k = $0.55 million net gain
Reed Doughty, $1.15 million+375k = $0.8 million net gain
Santana Moss, $484k-375k = $0.11 million net gain
Chris Cooley, $2.07 million-375k = $1.69 million net gain

Total = $10.45 million retrievable[/INDENT]
5. Space for potential releases PLUS existing cap space = [B]$50.325 million available[/B] (does not include June 1 release flexibility)

[COLOR="Silver"]6a. [I]Rule of 51 = 4 contracts at league min (375k) = $1.5 million[/I][/COLOR] <--the Redskins now have more than 51 players under contract
6b. Redskins Exclusive Rights Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per)[INDENT]Graham Gano, 2012 Cap Number = $0.6 million-375k = $0.225 million

Total as of January 17 = $225k[/INDENT]
6c. Redskins Restricted Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per)[INDENT]Kory Lichtensteiger, 2012 Cap Number = $1.875 million-375k = $1.5 million (projected 2nd round tender)
Byron Westbrook, 2012 Cap Number = $1.2 million-375k = $0.825 million (projected low tender)

Total as of January 17 = $2.325 million[/INDENT]
6d. Redskins Unrestricted Free Agents and PROJECTED CAP FIGURES, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per):[INDENT]London Fletcher, 2011 Cap Number = $5.67 million-375k = $5.3 million
LaRon Landry, 2011 Cap Number = $6.45 million-375k = $6.08 million
Fred Davis, 2011 Cap Number = $5.0 million-375k = $4.63 million
[B]Will Montgomery, 2012 Cap Number = $3.5 million-375k =$3.125 million CONFIRMED[/B]
Adam Carriker, 2011 Cap Number = $3.25 million-375k = $2.95 million
Tim Hightower, 2011 Cap Number = $1.5 million-375k = $1.125 million
[B]Darrion Scott, 2012 Cap Number = $650k-$375k =$275k[/B]

Rex Grossman
Rocky McIntosh
Kedric Golston
Donte Stallworth
David Anderson
Sean Locklear
Phillip Buchanon
Keyaron Fox

PROJECTED Total as of January 17 = $20.085 million
PROJECTED Total as of February 29 = $23.485 million
[B]ACCUMULATED Total as of February 29 = $3.4 million[/B][/INDENT]
6e. Combined (PROJECTED) Unresticted Free Agent Costs = $26.035 million
6f. [B]Accumulated UFA Costs = $3.4 million[/B]

7. Signed unrestricted free agents from other teams:
[Indent] [/Indent]
Total as of January 17: N/A

8. [B]Salary Cap space after projected re-signings, February 29, 2012 [/B]=[B]$13.84 million[/B]
Actual salary cap space as of Feburary 29, 2012 (minus allowances for tenders including TE franchise tag): [SIZE="4"] $28.45 million ($33.95 million w/o franchise tag allowance)[/SIZE]

[COLOR="silver"][I]9. Rolled-over deadcap obligation for Haynesworth/McNabb/Hicks/Rabach = up to $7.3 million[/COLOR]

The NFL accounts for this in their "list of 51 cap numbers" it sent out, so the Redskins are working with about $7 million less cap room than the highest estimates.[/I]

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The numbers aren't changing all that much from the last update, but the main changes:

-adjusted salary cap estimate down
-raised the [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/28/2012-top-51-cap-numbers-as-of-february-2/"]total of committed money[/URL] from $86.3 million to $93.5 million (most of the difference is deadcap from Haynesworth, McNabb et al)
-added the cap numbers for Montgomery and Scott
-put allowances for outstanding or impending contract tenders with Gano, Westbrook, Lichtenstiger, as well as showed the cap room with and without the Fred Davis franchise tender.

The Redskins are working with an estimated $14 million to improve the team if they resign all five of the their top UFAs (Fletcher, Landry, Davis, Carriker, Hightower). If they let all these guys walk, it's $34 million. If they franchise Davis, and let the rest walk, it's $28.5 million.

As always, they can recoup some salary cap space by working restructures and releases, namely with Hall. They sit on about $10 million of available cap room with existing players.

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[quote=GTripp0012;890460][COLOR="silver"][I]9. Rolled-over deadcap obligation for Haynesworth/McNabb/Hicks/Rabach = up to $7.3 million[/COLOR]

The NFL accounts for this in their "list of 51 cap numbers" it sent out, so the Redskins are working with about $7 million less cap room than the highest estimates.[/I][/quote]

Not sure where you get this. Our deadcap is $2.4M including $2M for AH.

- My current sheets have our 51 number at $87M. Add in the $2.4M deadcap, Monty's contract, and another $1M for Stallworth's deal and I get to $93.1M, pretty close to the article.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;890484]Not sure where you get this. Our deadcap is $2.4M including $2M for AH.

- My current sheets have our 51 number at $87M. Add in the $2.4M deadcap, Monty's contract, and another $1M for Stallworth's deal and I get to $93.1M, pretty close to the article.[/quote]$93.5 is the NFLs number. I really don't think it includes the recent moves of Montgomery, etc. I could be wrong on that.

There was also the Rabach release, as well as the Mike Williams release and McNabb trade, which all would create deadcap the same way as Haynesworth, just because they were post June 1 moves.

I still think it's dumb that they had moves that went post 6/1 in the accounting when there was a lockout for three months leading up to 6/1.

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[quote=GTripp0012;890505]$93.5 is the NFLs number. I really don't think it includes the recent moves of Montgomery, etc. I could be wrong on that.[/quote]

You could be right I'm not sure either, but it came out on the 28th so Monty's deal could be in there.

[quote=GTripp0012;890505]There was also the Rabach release, as well as the Mike Williams release and McNabb trade, which all would create deadcap the same way as Haynesworth, just because they were post June 1 moves.

I still think it's dumb that they had moves that went post 6/1 in the accounting when there was a lockout for three months leading up to 6/1.[/quote]

I think it worked a little different this year due to the lockout. There was a grace period with no deadcap charges which exempted guys like Portis, McNabb, etc. Haynesworth got a deadcap charge cuz he was traded later on.

It doesn't matter anyways, all our figures are in the same ballpark.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;890533]
I think it worked a little different this year due to the lockout. There was a grace period with no deadcap charges which exempted guys like Portis, McNabb, etc. Haynesworth got a deadcap charge cuz he was traded later on.
[/quote]

This is also my understanding.

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[B]**UPDATED (March 2, 2012)** Redskins 2012 Salary Cap Info[/B]

[U]2012 Salary Cap Situation[/U]
1. Salary Cap Projection = [COLOR="Silver"]$124 million[/COLOR] $120.375 million <-- No projected salary cap increase
2a. Number of players under contract for the Redskins = [COLOR="Silver"]47[/COLOR] 56
2b. Redskins Cap Number, February 2012 = [COLOR="Silver"]$86.3 million[/COLOR] $93.5 million
2c. Difference between adjusted 2012 cap number and projected cap = $26.875 million
2d. Redskins 2011 Salary Cap Rollover = $13 million
[B]3. Salary Cap space, February 2012 + cap rollover = $39.875 million[/B]

4. Potential player releases from $86.3 million cap number (plus 375k UDFA val):[INDENT]DeAngelo Hall, $6.2 million-375k = $5.8 million net gain
O.J. Atogwe, $2.3 million-375k = $1.9 million net gain
Jammal Brown, -$650k-375k = -$1.0 million [net loss]
John Beck, $1 million-375k = $0.6 million net gain
Mike Sellers, $925k-375k = $0.55 million net gain
Reed Doughty, $1.15 million+375k = $0.8 million net gain
Santana Moss, $484k-375k = $0.11 million net gain
Chris Cooley, $2.07 million-375k = $1.69 million net gain

Total = $10.45 million retrievable[/INDENT]
5. Space for potential releases PLUS existing cap space = [B]$50.325 million available[/B] (does not include June 1 release flexibility)

[COLOR="Silver"]6a. [I]Rule of 51 = 4 contracts at league min (375k) = $1.5 million[/I][/COLOR] <--the Redskins now have more than 51 players under contract
6b. Redskins Exclusive Rights Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per)[INDENT][B]Graham Gano, 2012 Cap Number = $0.6 million-375k = $0.225 million[/B]

Total as of January 17 = $225k[/INDENT]
6c. Redskins Restricted Free Agents, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per)[INDENT][B]Kory Lichtensteiger, 2012 Cap Number = [COLOR="Silver"]$1.875 million-375k = $1.5 million (projected 2nd round tender)[/COLOR] $1.2 million-375k = $0.825 million (original round (4th) tender) CONFIRMED[/B]
[COLOR="Silver"]Byron Westbrook, 2012 Cap Number = $1.2 million-375k = $0.825 million (projected low tender) [/COLOR]<-- Rich Tandler reports Redskins will not offer RFA tender to Westbrook

Total as of January 17 = $0.825 million[/INDENT]
6d. Redskins Unrestricted Free Agents and PROJECTED CAP FIGURES, less UDFA rookie minimum (375k per):[INDENT]London Fletcher, 2011 Cap Number = $5.67 million-375k = $5.3 million
[B]Fred Davis, 2011 FRANCHISE TENDER = $5.416 million-375k = $5.041 million[/B]
[B]Will Montgomery, 2012 Cap Number = $3.5 million-375k =$3.125 million CONFIRMED[/B]
Adam Carriker, 2011 Cap Number = $3.25 million-375k = $2.95 million
Tim Hightower, 2011 Cap Number = $1.5 million-375k = $1.125 million
[B]Darrion Scott, 2012 Cap Number = $650k-$375k =$275k[/B]

Rex Grossman
Rocky McIntosh
Kedric Golston
Donte Stallworth
David Anderson
Sean Locklear
Phillip Buchanon
Keyaron Fox
Byron Westbrook <-- added

[COLOR="Silver"]PROJECTED Total as of January 17 = $20.085 million[/COLOR] <--Removed Landry's projection
PROJECTED Total as of March 2 = $18.911 million
[B]ACCUMULATED Total as of March 2 = $9.489 million[/B][/INDENT]
6f. [B]Accumulated re-signings = $9.489 million[/B]

7. Signed unrestricted free agents from other teams:
[Indent] [/Indent]
Total as of January 17: N/A

8. [B]Salary Cap space after projected re-signings, March 2, 2012 [/B]=[B]$20.964 million[/B]
Actual salary cap space as of March 2, 2012 (minus allowances for tenders including TE franchise tag): [SIZE="4"] $30.41 million[/SIZE]

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Updated with Davis' franchise tender:

We're working with [B]$30.4 million[/B]. I estimate it would cost about $11.5 million more to bring everyone back. And remember, Davis cap number can be brought down via long term deal.

I have also changed the overall cap projection w/o Landry in the picture.

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Moved Westbrook to UFA, and adjusted the numbers. Nothing much changes.

And I'm pulling Landry as a projected re-signing due to multiple reports that the Redskins are no longer serious suitors for his services next season. Will put him back if something unexpected gets done.

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this thread is beautiful. thank you to everyone who works on the cap charts

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GTripp touched on these above but FYI:

- Davis - franchise tag - $5.4M
- Gano - exclusive rights tender - $540K
- Lich - 4th round tender - $1.2M

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Does your $20.964 million number include draft pick projections? Also what is this cap rollover of 13 million? I'm not too up to date on the new rules of the new cba, but I thought the only way to rollover money from year to year was when LTBE incentives were not met?

So assuming we get Carriker, Hightower, and Fletcher, we'll have roughly $11.5 million more to spend? Its sounds like we can sign 2 more starting players without re-structuring. I'm rooting for either Thomas or Carr to pair up with either Garcon or Colston (but if I know Shanny he'll go for the physical phenom in V-Jax if we get a WR).

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[quote=skinster;892321]Does your $20.964 million number include draft pick projections? Also what is this cap rollover of 13 million? I'm not too up to date on the new rules of the new cba, but I thought the only way to rollover money from year to year was when LTBE incentives were not met?

So assuming we get Carriker, Hightower, and Fletcher, we'll have roughly $11.5 million more to spend? Its sounds like we can sign 2 more starting players without re-structuring. I'm rooting for either Thomas or Carr to pair up with either Garcon or Colston (but if I know Shanny he'll go for the physical phenom in V-Jax if we get a WR).[/quote]

whos Thomas?

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;892323]whos Thomas?[/quote]

you know, Devin Thomas, big time player with the Giants


j/k :cheeky-sm

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;892323]whos Thomas?[/quote]

Terrell, giants CB

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[quote=skinster;892325]Terrell, giants CB[/quote]

gotcha, dont forget about finnegan as well he will be available. im starting to worry about safety now.

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[quote=skinster;892321]Does your $20.964 million number include draft pick projections? Also what is this cap rollover of 13 million? I'm not too up to date on the new rules of the new cba, but I thought the only way to rollover money from year to year was when LTBE incentives were not met?

So assuming we get Carriker, Hightower, and Fletcher, we'll have roughly $11.5 million more to spend? Its sounds like we can sign 2 more starting players without re-structuring. I'm rooting for either Thomas or Carr to pair up with either Garcon or Colston (but if I know Shanny he'll go for the physical phenom in V-Jax if we get a WR).[/quote]Nope, that number does not. I'll feel better about estimating a rookie cap if/when we know if the Redskins will/will not be picking at no. 6.

Even with the no. 2 pick, it will not exceed 5 to 7 million. And remember, you get like $2 million of that back thanks to the Rule of 51.