Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

When is the day or game that the team stands up and says I WILL BE DEFEATED NO MORE; next game, next year, next decade. I admit I'm a dinosaur, but I say draw a line in the sand and toe the line.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

its all about unchecked aggression dude.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=Dogtag;862396]I don't ever want this team to lose. Draft pick(s) be damned. Losing becomes a mindset and is a cancer against the team's foundations of pride, poise, discipline, respect and honor. You can't respect yourself or your team mates if you are paid to perform and win and don't do everything you can to prepare and execute a winning effort. You certainly pay no honor to those Redskins before you who gave it their all and came out with their heads held high. My respect for this team would be diminished if they played to win a draft pick instead of a game. I guess my priorities are different than most...[/quote]

The team is still playing hard and I believe they still care and have pride it what they're doing.

Don't confuse what we want as fans and what the players want. I'm sure the team could care less about what draft pick they end up with.

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[quote=Mattyk;862408]The team is still playing hard and I believe they still care and have pride it what they're doing.

Don't confuse what we want as fans and what the players want. I'm sure the team could care less about what draft pick they end up with.[/quote]

Thanks. I mean no disrespect for anyones opinion on the matter; however, I'm still a passionate warrior in heart if not so much in body anymore. Each loss is like a dagger...

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

I just did ESPN's "Playoff Predictor" thing where you pick winners for all of the remaining games and it spits out the playoff & record outcomes.

I just wanted to point out that I had picked us to beat Seattle and Minnesota and lose all of the rest, finishing 5-11.

THEN what I noticed was by picking the games the way I did, we would end up tied for the 8th worst record in the NFL.... with Seattle.

MEANING... There IS a logical chance that we could finish tied with Seattle if we do beat them this weekend, which would suck, if RGIII or Jones doesn't come out.

Seattle will DEFINITELY pick Barkley (Not only do they need a QB, ummm... Pete Carroll anyone??) if he is there at 8 and we are at 9, meaning we'd have to get into some kind of bidding war to get above them to take him, giving away the picks we desperately need to really rebuild.

This game, honestly, COULD... POSSIBLY... mean a HUGE DEAL to the future of the Redskins QB situation... something to keep in mind, one way or the other.

With all of that being said... It's not like I'm the "Schwam" or anything... I have no clue how the games will actually turn out, I'm just saying, we definitely will be AROUND the same final record as the Seahawks, the team we could be competing with most... in April

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

but I don't think head to head matters in draft slot (i am not sure of that though)

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

Draft Slot Tiebreakers

• Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage. The team with the lowest strength of schedule percentage wins the tiebreaker and picks ahead of all other teams with the same record.

• Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.

• As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

Its true picking higher doesn't guarantee you a better pick, but if you a targeting someone, it does mean it you are more likely to be able to get that person. And personally I think RG3 will succeed as well as Luck. I'm not sold on Jones but he does look good. I don't want to see the skins draft Barkley. He looks like the next rex grossman, plays great some time other times makes awful choices/throws.

credskinsrule- RG3 is getting a masters degree. I don't know how close he is to getting it but if he hasn't finished it could keep him there.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

I agree 100% with the first poster. Seasons done. Time to be competitive and lose, so we get a high draft pick and decide whose really worth keeping.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

I understand where you are coming from, but the draft is going to be so frigging deep with quality Qbs a top 10 pick would garner us getting a franchise QB, plus a young backup(guys like my fav Dan Persa) in the middle rounds. If the QB pool was very limited I would go along with your reasoning, but this is a list of the top QBs coming out: Luck, Landry, Griffith, Tannehill, Barkely, Keenum, Moore, Foles. I don't think everyone is going to be drafting a QB in the first 10-15 picks so we would be relatively safe in getting one of these guys. I am not impressed with Luck in watching him against his big games against Oregon and USC. He looked above average in them. The best of the above group is Griffith, Barkely, and Tannehill in my opinion and the ones we should target in April. The second tier of decent QBs(Persa, QB from Wisconsin, any QB from the SEC) will go in the second to fourth rounds, so if our FO wanted to indulge themselves with decent backups they could do so. Another thing, losing is very bad for the lockerroom. You have guys like London Fletcher trying his best every game only to lose in the end. We need Fletch to stay at least one more season, if not two. He just might get sick of this stuff and bolt to a contender. He is too old to **** around with a team that might not have a winning record til a few years from now. The same goes for any other decent FA player we have. We have too many holes to fill as is, and losing important pieces will just give us more holes to fill.

Re: Confession: I want the Skins to lose to Seattle.
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;862300]Yes, I'm a horrible fan because I actually want the Skins to lose to Seattle.

I admit it. But, at least, my motive is as pure as the driven slush. It's because this season is lost, we're finally rebuilding, and I believe that this is the draft class where we will be able to acquire our Franchise QB - [U]if[/U] we have a high enough draft pick.

Since this season is lost, at this point there is no way that I want Seattle to finish with a worse record than ours. If they draft before we do, I can easily imagine them snatching away the QB we so desperately need. Let them win on Sunday and we'll score big in the draft.

Look, if Landry Jones and RGIII stay in school, that leaves us with one shot at our franchise QB - we need to draft Matt Barkley. There is no way we'll get him if Seattle (or Miami, for that matter) drafts ahead of us.

This season is lost, so forget about it. I actually hope we finish with the second worst record in the league and end up having our choice of Barkley, Landry, or RGIII. That way, no other team can get the next QB after the POS Colts draft Luck and we won't need to give up picks to move up. Plus we'll be drafting very high in the remaining rounds.

If we don't get the QB we need, we're all going to be miserable for a lot longer than the rest of this season.[/quote]

As a Redskin fan I understand your pain and your desire for the Redskins to be winners in the future. I'm always hoping that the Redskins win, but I know the reality of what's ahead that will corner them into a 4-12 or 5-11 finish. Either way that rolls, the Redskins would be good for a 4th or 5th overall draft choice.

If Barkley, Jones, or Robert Griffin III or even Luck is considered heavily by Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan then they will trade whatever they have to in order to move up to take the QB that they want. Even if they miraculously win all of their remaining games and end up 9-7, Bruce and Mike will find a way to draft into the top 5.

As a fan, you should always want your team to win no matter what.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

We picked 13th last year, and came away with a good draft. I can't put myself in a position to hope for a loss. I understand the logic behind it though.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=hagams;862600]We picked 13th last year, and came away with a good draft. I can't put myself in a position to hope for a loss. I understand the logic behind it though.[/quote]

Actually we were slated to pick 10th but trading with Jacksonville and ended up selecting Kerrigan with the 16th overall draft choice, not the 13th.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

We really don't have to have the second pick in the draft. We just have to finish worse than Miami and Seattle to get the our number two qb choice b/c Luck will be gone. And hope none of the other teams lacking quality qbs will trade up to get one because as of now everyone ranked lower than us other than the colts has recently drafted a qb that they seem pleased with (Carolina- Newton, St louis- Braford, and Minnesota- Ponder).

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=over the mountain;862404]its all about unchecked aggression dude.[/quote]

Calmer than you are, dude.

Mark it 8 dude

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

I never want the Redskins to lose a game. I however understand that our problem has been the QB positon for many years. I truly want us to draft a QB in the 1st round and groom him to be our guy for many years. But if Shanny and Bruce do draft a QB in the 1st round you fair weather fans most understand that Mike needs to bee here to see this thing through. Part of our losing is due to every 2-3 years changing coaches and QB's this has to stop or expect the losing to continue. So I want us to go out and try to win and if we come up short while playing our youngs guys then I can handle the losing to get in postion to slect a QB like Robert Griffin III.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=skins89moss;862778]I never want the Redskins to lose a game. I however understand that our problem has been the QB positon for many years. I truly want us to draft a QB in the 1st round and groom him to be our guy for many years. But if Shanny and Bruce do draft a QB in the 1st round you fair weather fans most understand that Mike needs to bee here to see this thing through. Part of our losing is due to every 2-3 years changing coaches and QB's this has to stop or expect the losing to continue. So I want us to go out and try to win and if we come up short while playing our youngs guys then I can handle the losing to get in postion to slect a QB like Robert Griffin III.[/quote]

I understand your position, I really do. I hate seeing the Skins lose any games, when they are competing for a playoff spot or even just a winning record. However this season neither of those things is going to happen(obviously the playoffs are long gone and we would have to win out to finish with a winning record(neither of those things are happening).

So lose a few extra games this year and draft our starting QB for the next 10 years or go into another season with a re-tread QB or a low round pick? Remember it now seems like barkley and even jones might be going back for the final year

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

I dont know if anyone said this yet, I didnt read through the entire thread, but....

Im not sure we have a lot of say or choice in losing most of our final games. We have a really hard schedule.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/11/ten-observations-redskins-23-seahawks-17]Ten observations: Redskins 23, Seahawks 17 | John Keim | NFL | Washington Examiner[/url]


[quote]4. Before we get to a few other things, have to address this: the notion that they shouldn’t win to preserve their draft pick. Have to say, I don’t understand that thinking. In the NBA? Sure. In that league there might be four or five potential impact players in a draft. In the NFL, there’s a heck of a lot more. That’s one point. The other: who knows which players will even come out? Matt Barkley doesn’t have to, for example. Maybe he will but do you know for sure? Besides, what if the QB you really like is, say, a guy who doesn’t project to a top-5 pick for whatever reason. And you really don’t know which direction you’re going to go until after the season, when you’ve had a chance to study these players. Besides, Mike Shanahan will be very aggressive trying to move up if there’s a guy he thinks he can get.

5. But here’s the biggest reason why you don’t do it: when you’re trying to establish a foundation for a winning franchise, you don’t get there by going 3-13 and losing 12 straight. That’s unbelievably short-sighted thinking. You go places by creating an atmosphere of success. If they go 3-13, then you’d be a heck of a lot less confident in the coaching staff, right? Well, so would some of the players. That’s a lock. Is that really what you want? If they go 4-12 they have many more issues than one QB can solve. And it would take a few years longer. I’d much rather see a team do what the Redskins did today: show some fight, overcome adversity and win. Yeah, the Seahawks aren’t very good. Yeah it could end up giving them a lower draft choice. But, again, while it’s obviously important to develop talent it’s just as important to establish a culture. I’d rather see a guy like Helu, clearly a part of the future in some way, have a big game and help lead a win.
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Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;862483]I agree 100% with the first poster. Seasons done. [SIZE="4"][COLOR="Magenta"]Time to be competitive and lose[/COLOR][/SIZE], so we get a high draft pick and decide whose really worth keeping.[/quote]

How do you create a winning tradition by losing?
:smashfrea

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[quote=Alvin Walton;863767]How do you create a winning tradition by losing?
:smashfrea[/quote]
I can't really see how you sell the Suck for Luck philosophy to the locker room with a straight face?
Like "Okay boys we're gonna lose today...for success...and then we'll kick ass and win next season....RIGHT"?
Okay Al your in.....

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

I can't believe that we beat the Seahawks. I was routing against the Redskins with everything I had. We have a chance to get a great QB like Mat Barkley and we blow it. I am a season ticket holder, I have seats in the lower level 9th row, on th 5 yard line. I will give them up if they dont get an aceptable Quarterback. I just cant watch this crap anymore. The article in the examiner summed it up best. The Redskins are turning a lost season into a lost draft, by winning.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

There are too many top notch caliber Qbs in this draft to want to "Suck for Luck". Luck is very good, but might not be the best fit for us or he may even not make the transitiion to the NFl very well. A guy we have left out of the equation is Brandon Weeden from OSU. He is 6'4" 215 lbs and can gun the thing down the field. Sure it helps he had the next stud WR as his main target, but he still is a fine QB. Of course you have Luck, Barkely, RG III, and some lesser QBs, that at least will give you a decent backup.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;863806]I can't believe that we beat the Seahawks. I was routing against the Redskins with everything I had. We have a chance to get a great QB like Mat Barkley and we blow it. [B] I am a season ticket holder, I will give th I have seats in the lower level 9th row, on th 5 yard line. em up if they dont get an aceptable Quarterback[/B]. I just cant watch this crap anymore. The article in the examiner summed it up best. The Redskins are turning a lost season into a lost draft, by winning.[/quote]
So be it...
You cannot build a winning attitude and tradition by........taking a dive..

[QUOTE=T.O.Killa;863806]I can't believe that we beat the Seahawks. I was routing against the Redskins with everything I had. We have a chance to get a great QB like Mat Barkley and we blow it. I am a season ticket holder, I have seats in the lower level 9th row, on th 5 yard line. I will give them up if they dont get an aceptable Quarterback. I just cant watch this crap anymore. The article in the examiner summed it up best. The Redskins are turning a lost season into a lost draft, by winning.[/QUOTE]

What Examiner article was this?

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;863833]What Examiner article was this?[/quote][url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/sports/nfl/2011/11/rick-snider-winning-now-all-rage]Rick Snider: Winning now all the rage for Redskins | Rick Snider | NFL | Washington Examiner[/url]

It is the right link.

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[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]After a decent effort in the 27-24 overtime loss to Dallas and a middling victory over Seattle, is Washington finally turning a lost season into a lost draft? Each win further distances the Redskins from getting a franchise quarterback. Or is it merely that teams always have a chance in the NFL and Washington simply outlasted another bad team?"


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Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

You play to win the game. Nuff said.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

Very true Matty, but TOKilla is one of many skins fans that are pissed, like me, over a dying team. The skins this year remind me of a fish being caught during fishing. The fisherman catchs it, it seems like it could be a promising fish at first glance, he thinks he's having a big dinner off this fish (first 4 games this year), then he gets it in and its just a small fish (the past 6 games) he wants to throw it away so he can get a better fish (Barkley, Griffin, Luck) but decides to be greedy and keep it incase he wants to save it for just himself and not his family (beating seattle).


Yes I just compared the Redskins season to fishing.

But really this site is going to have a major following of die hard skins fans I respect that, but the majority of skins fans in the rest of society know we aren't good and know we need to get a great QB to win, and have had it up to here with losing all the time.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=Mattyk;863855]You play to win the game. Nuff said.[/quote]

Some people just don't get this. I hope we win out and then let the chips fall where they may in the draft.

Jesus. what a bunch of loser fans. This thread is aptly titled.

Just so we are clear, I am a diehard fan, I know we suck, and I know we need a QB to build on. None of this changes my hope that they win every game they play. The draft is a crap shoot - you don't lose just to get a better seat at the table of randomness.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;863857]Very true Matty, but TOKilla is one of many skins fans that are pissed, like me, over a dying team. The skins this year remind me of a fish being caught during fishing. The fisherman catchs it, it seems like it could be a promising fish at first glance, he thinks he's having a big dinner off this fish (first 4 games this year), then he gets it in and its just a small fish (the past 6 games) he wants to throw it away so he can get a better fish (Barkley, Griffin, Luck) but decides to be greedy and keep it incase he wants to save it for just himself and not his family (beating seattle).


Yes I just compared the Redskins season to fishing.

But really this site is going to have a major following of die hard skins fans I respect that, but the majority of skins fans in the rest of society know we aren't good and know we need to get a great QB to win, and have had it up to here with losing all the time.[/quote]

If Shanahan doesn't get the QB he wants next offseason, that's all on him and not because we won late in the season. You all act like just picking up one of these guys will cure everything, yet we have no idea what QB Mike Shanahan wants. After the McNabb fiasco, I want to make sure that Shanahan gets the QB he wants, and it won't be easy.

I would rather give up a few picks and get the QB that Shanahan wants, rather than tank the rest of the season. What's the point of getting young guys playing time if they are going to lose? I would rather finish out strong, have our young guys develop a winning attitude and come back stronger next offseason.

In the end, there will be a way for our team to get a franchise quarterback and you have to trust the front office to do that next offseason. But please everyone shut the f*ck up with this "we need to lose sh*t". If that is your attitude, go be a f*cking Cowpuke fan and get the hell off this board.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;863857]Very true Matty, but TOKilla is one of many skins fans that are pissed, like me, over a dying team. The skins this year remind me of a fish being caught during fishing. The fisherman catchs it, it seems like it could be a promising fish at first glance, he thinks he's having a big dinner off this fish (first 4 games this year), then he gets it in and its just a small fish (the past 6 games) he wants to throw it away so he can get a better fish (Barkley, Griffin, Luck) but decides to be greedy and keep it incase he wants to save it for just himself and not his family (beating seattle).


Yes I just compared the Redskins season to fishing.

But really this site is going to have a major following of die hard skins fans I respect that, but the majority of skins fans in the rest of society know we aren't good and know we need to get a great QB to win, and have had it up to here with losing all the time.[/quote]

The way to breath life into a dying team is not more losing.

You can't have it both ways. You can't be pissed about losing, but then get pissed when they win.

We're going to be in position to get a QB whether we win 3 games or 6.

As far as your fishing story, that's why you wait til the end of the day to judge your haul. The season is 16 games, not 4, not 8. Those that got their hopes up too high after a 3-1 start only have themselves to blame.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=Ruhskins;863907]If Shanahan doesn't get the QB he wants next offseason, that's all on him and not because we won late in the season. You all act like just picking up one of these guys will cure everything, yet we have no idea what QB Mike Shanahan wants. After the McNabb fiasco, I want to make sure that Shanahan gets the QB he wants, and it won't be easy.

I would rather give up a few picks and get the QB that Shanahan wants, rather than tank the rest of the season. What's the point of getting young guys playing time if they are going to lose? I would rather finish out strong, have our young guys develop a winning attitude and come back stronger next offseason.

[B]In the end, there will be a way for our team to get a franchise quarterback and you have to trust the front office to do that next offseason. But please everyone shut the f*ck up with this "we need to lose sh*t". If that is your attitude, go be a f*cking Cowpuke fan and get the hell off this board.[/B][/quote]

And that's the attitude I'm referring to folks. You need wake up call as to where your team is bud.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

If you think tanking a season will land you a franchise QB for years to come, let me introduce you to Heath Shuler.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;863931]And that's the attitude I'm referring to folks. You need wake up call as to where your team is bud.[/quote]

Tanking and losing is not the only way to get a franchise QB. But please, go to Ashburn and tell these guys that they need to lose and see the reaction that you get.

I swear some fans can be so narrow-minded.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

Ok, so what if the team loses and gets that #2 pick and selects their "franchise QB"?

What happens if the players you were expecting to come out do not come out and you openly root the team to lose for nothing?


What happens in 5 years if said "franchise QB" ends up a bust? Do you continue hoping your team loses to get another chance at a "franchise QB"?


What happens after you get your "franchise QB"? Do you hope they lose so you can get a "franchise WR" the following year? You know, you'll have to be in the top 5 again to get a calibur guy like AJ Green or Calvin Johson.

[SIZE="3"][B][U]Fan's guide to building the Washington Redskins.[/U]

2011: Tank season for "Franchise QB" in 2012.
2012: Tank season for "Franchise WR" in 2013.
2013: Tank season for "Franchise MLB" in 2014.
2014: Tank season for "Franchise Safety" in 2015.
2015: Tank season for "Franchise DL" in 2016.[/B][/SIZE]

Yup, we are well on our way to being competitive with this formula!!!


To openly hope your team loses to better your shot at a chance on a player that you don't even know is going to be in the draft is beyond ludicrous. It's pathetic.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=NC_Skins;863939]Ok, so what if the team loses and gets that #2 pick and selects their "franchise QB"?

What happens if the players you were expecting to come out do not come out and you openly root the team to lose for nothing?


What happens in 5 years if said "franchise QB" ends up a bust? Do you continue hoping your team loses to get another chance at a "franchise QB"?


What happens after you get your "franchise QB"? Do you hope they lose so you can get a "franchise WR" the following year? You know, you'll have to be in the top 5 again to get a calibur guy like AJ Green or Calvin Johson.

[SIZE="3"][B][U]Fan's guide to building the Washington Redskins.[/U]

2011: Tank season for "Franchise QB" in 2012.
2012: Tank season for "Franchise WR" in 2013.
2013: Tank season for "Franchise MLB" in 2014.
2014: Tank season for "Franchise Safety" in 2015.
2015: Tank season for "Franchise DL" in 2016.[/B][/SIZE]

Yup, we are well on our way to being competitive with this formula!!!


To openly hope your team loses to better your shot at a chance on a player that you don't even know is going to be in the draft is beyond ludicrous. It's pathetic.[/quote]

CultBrennan is secretly a Cowboys fan (I've been saying that for years), that's the problem.

I kid of course (or am I?). At the end of the day, while we must have a QB, tanking is not the only way to do it. This isn't Vinny running the show, I trust our FO to find a way.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=T.O.Killa;863806]I can't believe that we beat the Seahawks. I was routing against the Redskins with everything I had. We have a chance to get a great QB like Mat Barkley and we blow it. I am a season ticket holder, I have seats in the lower level 9th row, on th 5 yard line. I will give them up if they dont get an aceptable Quarterback. I just cant watch this crap anymore. The article in the examiner summed it up best. The Redskins are turning a lost season into a lost draft, by winning.[/quote]

I'd give up my season tickets quicker if the team gave up.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=NC_Skins;863939][SIZE="3"][B][U]Fan's guide to building the Washington Redskins.[/U]

2011: Tank season for "Franchise QB" in 2012.
2012: Tank season for "Franchise WR" in 2013.
2013: Tank season for "Franchise MLB" in 2014.
2014: Tank season for "Franchise Safety" in 2015.
2015: Tank season for "Franchise DL" in 2016.[/B][/SIZE]

Yup, we are well on our way to being competitive with this formula!!![/quote]You forgot to add "let ass clown franchise QB walk in free agency because he didn't win enough games." Which of course is the biggest problem with all of the tanking talk: you never know how good your roster is.

Re: I am a horrible, rotten excuse for a Redskins fan.
 

[quote=firstdown;863954]I'd give up my season tickets quicker if the team gave up.[/quote]
Yeah that sounds good, and makes you tingle inside. But the truthe of the matter is the Redskins have been medicore to bad for 20 years. Most of that is the lack of a franchise QB. Its sucks to go to the stadium and see the fans leave at halh time. As far as I am concerned the can tank every season until they get a franchise QB. All anyone has to do is look at the Colts. They go from 13 wins every year to none. They go from have low sacks on their QB, to horrible. All their recievers look worse than ours now. There defense sucks. One guy makes that much difference. Yeah, we need a QB, and you have to do what ever it takes to get one. If you draft one and he sucks you try again and again till you get one. I have been saying this same thing since I became a blogger here.