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[QUOTE]Thanks for your concern for my sense of calm.[/QUOTE]

Hey, it's your season, you can be angry or zen, or anywhere in between. The only thing you can't do is change the decisions of the coaching staff. /shrug

[QUOTE]If that were the case, and he were less erratic with the ball, ala Jason Campbell, we would probably be staring at a 3 in the win column.[/QUOTE]

Don't get me wrong; I was a HUGE JC17 supporter here (check my post history). I am pulling for him in Chokeland. But the knock on him was "he's a mediocre game manager and will never be able get you a win if you need to put the ball in his hands" and that's largely continued to be true in OAK. They aren't winning because of him, he's just there not to eff it up.

Rex is definitely who we thought he was, which is to say, Favre-lite, minus the dong pics. But the coaches obviously felt that they needed that big-play gunslinger mentality more than a dink-and-dunk game manager, which is what Campbell has become.

[quote]
The fact that you infatically claim to know how Beck will play without the evidentiary material to back it up is pretty shortsighted.[/quote]

I don't claim to know. I leave that up to Mike and Kyle Shanahan.

[QUOTE]Do I know, unequivocally, that Beck can do that. No. But the point is I know Rex can't.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying Beck can't either (though again, I think he's had ample time to prove that he is markedly better than Rex and failed, which is fairly damning in and of itself). I'm just saying I don't really think a QB controversy and rebooting the offense right now in the name of chasing wins, under the very Snyder-esque pretense that we're close to being a contender, is a very productive thing to do.

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[quote=Mattyk;841561]Guess so.

Amazing we started 2-0 with such bad performances.[/quote]

We could have very easily been 1-1 though. I guess I'm wanting to know what people are really expecting from Rex? I'm expecting him to play as an average QB who can make some better decisions than what Jason Campbell did, but I'm not expecting him to turn into Steve Young. And, if the former is what we're getting, then that's OK for now - I'll continue to back Grossman, but I'm not so sure he's the long term answers as well as I'm not sure Beck is. I still think that is a vital piece that we need to get before this team can make a realistic Super Bowl run. I hope I'm wrong on that and I hope Rex Grossman makes me look foolish for saying that.

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[quote=dgack;841562]Hey, it's your season, you can be angry or zen, or anywhere in between. The only thing you can't do is change the decisions of the coaching staff. /shrug[/quote]

I do recogize the things which are in my power to control. I'm not deluded and the governing of existential emotion doesn't elude me. But this is a forum where I am afforded the opportunity to speak candidly on my personal position.


[quote=dgack;841562]Rex is definitely who we thought he was, which is to say, Favre-lite, minus the dong pics. But the coaches obviously felt that they needed that big-play gunslinger mentality more than a dink-and-dunk game manager, which is what Campbell has become.[/quote]

I don't think I could disagree more vehemently with this statement as long as we're not purely speaking stats. The stats, in the int department, are somewhat similiar. But the similarities between Farve and Grossman stop there. I abhor this mentality of applying the "gun slinger" euphemism to any player who is careless with the rock. Rex doesn't throw darts he throws balloons, and he'll dress like a clown and perform a spasmodic magic routine at your childs birthday party for $7 an hour. And where are these mythological big-plays you speak of. All I've seen are underthrown long balls and floating out routes in that catagory. There have been a number of missed opportunities in that realm though.



[quote=dgack;841562]I don't claim to know. I leave that up to Mike and Kyle Shanahan.[/quote]

I simply don't trust them enough to make the right player personel decisions based on what I've seen so far. Kyle seems like an arrogant coat tail climber who wants things his way, and he'll throw a temper tantrum to Daddy if he doesn't get them. It was clear from the genesis of his tenure here that he wanted Rex to be his QB. Because Rex is pandering, calling his offense brilliant, and him a genius, it fed his ego, and it also helped that Rex was malleable and did exactly what he was told without criticism.



[quote=dgack;841562]I'm not saying Beck can't either (though again, I think he's had ample time to prove that he is markedly better than Rex and failed, which is fairly damning in and of itself). I'm just saying I don't really think a QB controversy and rebooting the offense right now in the name of chasing wins, under the very Snyder-esque pretense that we're close to being a contender, is a very productive thing to do.[/quote]

I don't know what you consider ample time. Is it being picked up from the Ravens just before the first preseason game in 2010. Or is it vying for a job as a starter in a lockout addled offseason. Or maybe missing the first preseason game this year due to injury.

I don't believe that there is a reboot to Kyle's offense. It is what it is. And there is no controversy if you make a definitive decision to change QBs without fluctuation. I don't believe we're close to being a contender which is the fundamental reason I would make a change to the guy who doesn't have real game film, or experience vs playing the guy who will forever remain a carbon copy of his former self.

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Grossman has made several big plays, not just this year but also at the end of last year. The fumble at the end of the game was terrible. But let's not pretend like he hasn't made any plays for us

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[quote=SmootSmack;841619]Grossman has made several big plays, not just this year but also at the end of last year. The fumble at the end of the game was terrible. But let's not pretend like he hasn't made any plays for us[/quote]

You're right. He's made enough plays to garner himself a .500 record with this team. He's average, and gives away as many games as he wins. He is a good backup. I just want to see if there is untapped talent lingering in the wings.

I love this team, as does everyone here, but I can't stand idly by, being a blindly faithful zealot if I don't believe in the content.

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You sound like a Pukes fan, OP. Romo was simply pissed at FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKES ANY ****ING QB WOULD EXPLODE AT. Now, him blowing up at his incompetent receivers and center's mistakes is "how" Grossman should act.

"HOW" a message is delivered is not as important as "WHAT" is being sent.

And that jab at Beck is calumny at its finest. Oh, a Mormon white boy just HAS to be effeminate and a choir boy, huh?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;841642]You sound like a Pukes fan, OP. Romo was simply pissed at FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKES ANY ****ING QB WOULD EXPLODE AT. Now, him blowing up at his incompetent receivers and center's mistakes is "how" Grossman should act.

"HOW" a message is delivered is not as important as "WHAT" is being sent.

[B]And that jab at Beck is calumny at its finest. Oh, a Mormon white boy just HAS to be effeminate and a choir boy, huh?[/B][/quote]

What in the world are you talking about?

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[quote]I abhor this mentality of applying the "gun slinger" euphemism to any player who is careless with the rock[/quote]

It's exactly that, though, the mentality. I'm not making a value judgement on how good a gunslinger he is, but he has no fear of chucking it up there, and seemingly never has.

Favre won lots of games with these kind of heroics and lost more than a few. Romo's the same way, but with a lower ceiling and floor. Ditto Rex.

[quote]I love this team, as does everyone here, but I can't stand idly by, being a blindly faithful zealot if I don't believe in the content. [/quote]

Who's blindly faithful? I can't think of anyone here who thinks Rex is the answer at QB. Seriously, where is the Cult of Rex?

[quote]I just want to see if there is untapped talent lingering in the wings.[/quote]

Again, I just tend to think that the front office, including our Super Bowl winning coach who seems to have turned our team around in terms of work ethic, discipline and personnel decision making knows better than I do.

I guess you see some things that they don't. It must be a burden to carry that knowledge every day, trying to get word to the coaching staff, but always being shut out.

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LMAO Sir Clinton you are pissed today

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[quote=dgack;841644]It's exactly that, though, the mentality. I'm not making a value judgement on how good a gunslinger he is, but he has no fear of chucking it up there, and seemingly never has.

Favre won lots of games with these kind of heroics and lost more than a few. Romo's the same way, but with a lower ceiling and floor. Ditto Rex.[/quote]

If by gunslinger you mean he wishes he was a Cowboy, after seeing that performance last night I'd have half a mind to agree.

I've never heard of someone getting the "gunslinger" label with absolutely no athletic ability to make a play when the pocket breaks down. Farve, Vick, Cutler, Fitzpatrick, Romo, all guys that can extend the play by throwing darts, and making plays in precarious situations. I'd be surprised if Rex has a completion rate of 10% outside the pocket on plays that aren't designed bootlegs. He's simply a remiss QB. Nothing more.


[quote=dgack;841644]Who's blindly faithful? I can't think of anyone here who thinks Rex is the answer at QB. Seriously, where is the Cult of Rex?[/quote]

MattyK seems have a affinity for him.


[quote=dgack;841644]Again, I just tend to think that the front office, including our Super Bowl winning coach who seems to have turned our team around in terms of work ethic, discipline and personnel decision making knows better than I do.[/quote]

So would you say you're blindly following the lead of these people even though we've seen clear indications of dysfunction, predictable playcalling, undisciplined out bursts, and questionable personnel decisions. We're not talking about the Belichick regime here. These people have made their fair share of mistakes in a short period of time. It only seem logical to critically question their choices.

Your last statement was riddled with sarcasm, condescension, and malevolence, and you can shuve it right back inside the hole from which it came.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;841645]LMAO Sir Clinton you are pissed today[/quote]

I still can't figure out what that whole Mormon rant was about

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By the way, why weren't you participating in the discussions the first two weeks of the season or even in the preseason fanarchist?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;841642]You sound like a Pukes fan, OP. Romo was simply pissed at FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKES ANY ****ING QB WOULD EXPLODE AT. Now, him blowing up at his incompetent receivers and center's mistakes is "how" Grossman should act.

"HOW" a message is delivered is not as important as "WHAT" is being sent.

And that jab at Beck is calumny at its finest. Oh, a Mormon white boy just HAS to be effeminate and a choir boy, huh?[/quote]

WTF...please put down the cocaine Rick James.

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[quote=SmootSmack;841663]By the way, why weren't you participating in the discussions the first two weeks of the season or even in the preseason fanarchist?[/quote]

I read the threads more than I participate in the discussions. I don't always feel the need because, like today for example, I say something that rubs someone the wrong way, and I spend the entire time defending myself. Maybe it's because I'm low man on the totem, or some arcane right of passage. Or maybe it's just my demeanor.

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I would suggest you refer to the WP "arcane right of passage"...hoyle, page 122.
Look under absolution........

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Thanks for the correction. Rite of passage.

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[quote=fanarchist;841658]MattyK seems have a affinity for him.[/quote]

:doh:

I was on the Beck bandwagon all preseason

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[quote=fanarchist;841668]I read the threads more than I participate in the discussions. I don't always feel the need because, like today for example, I say something that rubs someone the wrong way, and I spend the entire time defending myself. Maybe it's because I'm low man on the totem, or some arcane right of passage. Or maybe it's just my demeanor.[/quote]

Welcome to what we call discussion round here.

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[quote=fanarchist;841658]
So would you say you're blindly following the lead of these people even though we've seen clear indications of dysfunction, predictable playcalling, undisciplined out bursts, and questionable personnel decisions.
[/quote]

No, I'd say I'm pleased with the foundation that I've seen being laid so far this year considering the absolute train wreck that this franchise has been since the end of the first Gibbs era, with a couple of weakly positive seasons in Gibbs 2.0 tossed in.

[quote]
We're not talking about the Belichick regime here. These people have made their fair share of mistakes in a short period of time. It only seem logical to critically question their choices.
[/quote]

So you're ready to proclaim Grossman worthless after less than a full season at the helm, and ready to put Beck in when there's been no evidence to suggest he's any better than Grossman, but you've got enough data points to be convinced that the Allen/Shanahan coaching tenure is suspect and their judgement and abilities lacking?



[quote]
Your last statement was riddled with sarcasm, condescension, and malevolence, and you can shuve it right back inside the hole from which it came.[/quote]

/shrug. Every one of your posts in this thread has been so full of vitriol and bitterness that it colors any possible point you're trying to make. And it's not really condescending to point out that your position seems to be:

a) you know better than the front office and coaching staff, and
b) the job the coaching staff and/or front office are not up to your standards

I mean, I suppose those are valid viewpoints, but given the state of this team and the fairly obvious improvements that have been made so far I'm not sure you can really expect anyone to take you seriously for holding them.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;841642]You sound like a Pukes fan, OP. Romo was simply pissed at FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKES ANY ****ING QB WOULD EXPLODE AT. Now, him blowing up at his incompetent receivers and center's mistakes is "how" Grossman should act.

"HOW" a message is delivered is not as important as "WHAT" is being sent.

And that jab at Beck is calumny at its finest. Oh, a Mormon white boy just HAS to be effeminate and a choir boy, huh?[/quote]

:laughing2 I don't know WTH you're talking about SCP but I damn sure know how you feel. :)

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[quote=fanarchist;841658]If by gunslinger you mean he wishes he was a Cowboy, after seeing that performance last night I'd have half a mind to agree.

[B]I've never heard of someone getting the "gunslinger" label with absolutely no athletic ability to make a play when the pocket breaks down[/B]. Farve, Vick, Cutler, Fitzpatrick, Romo, all guys that can extend the play by throwing darts, and making plays in precarious situations. I'd be surprised if Rex has a completion rate of 10% outside the pocket on plays that aren't designed bootlegs. He's simply a remiss QB. Nothing more.[/quote]

Again, it's not like I'm the clever guy who just hung the "gunslinger" label on Grossman, as much as it might help your argument.

Sorry to be a logical inconvenience, but:

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Grossman"]Rex Grossman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]

[quote=Wikipedia]

[B]Playing style[/B]
Grossman’s [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_American_football#G"]gunslinger[/URL] attitude is illustrated in his desire to throw long passes, similar to his youth idol, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Favre"]Brett Favre[/URL].[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Grossman#cite_note-71"][72][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Grossman#cite_note-72"][73][/URL] During the 2006 season, Grossman had an above average completion rate when throwing passes worth twenty or more yards, but struggled to complete shorter passes. According to columnist Paul Attner of [I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_News"]Sporting News[/URL][/I], this attitude contributed to Grossman's inconsistent play.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Grossman#cite_note-73"][74][/URL][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Grossman#cite_note-74"][75][/URL] During Week 12 of the 2006 season, Grossman threw a game-ending interception while attempting a deep pass to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashied_Davis"]Rashied Davis[/URL].[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Grossman#cite_note-75"][76][/URL] However, during the divisional game in the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006%E2%80%9307_NFL_playoffs"]2006 playoffs[/URL], he threw a 68-yard touchdown pass to Berrian on the opening play of the Bears’ second drive.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Grossman#cite_note-76"][77][/URL]
Additionally, Grossman’s ability to elude pursuers and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble"]scramble[/URL] has significantly decreased since his season ending leg injury in 2004.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Grossman#cite_note-rams-77"][78][/URL] Although he only played three games in 2004, Grossman amassed more rushing yards than he did in sixteen games in 2006.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Grossman#cite_note-allstat-78"][79][/URL] However, he showed his potential to scramble during a game against the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Rams"]St. Louis Rams[/URL], after he converted a third and long with a twenty-two yard run. Though the run was the longest of Grossman’s career, it only gave him five net yards for the season at that point.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_Grossman#cite_note-rams-77"][78][/URL]
[/quote]

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U guys do remember that Rex is only in his 6th game as our starter and we had a short preseason.

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SCP, what in the hell was that all about? I was rescrolling a rereading posts to see if I had missed something.......LOL

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[quote=DynamiteRave;841195]So this begs the question, who's shoulders can this offense trust and lean on?[/quote]For leaderhip?

Santana Moss.

But if you're asking who the offense should be built around?

Hightower & Helu should be the focal point and leaders on the offense.

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Wikipedia is really not most reliable source for information. I saw an excerpt from Wikipedia that claimed Dan Snyder was gay for dinosaurs. It's funny, but highly doubtful in the fact catagory.

For the most part, I think a number of decisions this coaching staff has made, personnel wise, this season have been great. Helu, Josh Wilson, Kerrigan, Bowens, Hank, OJ etc. all, in my opinion very good acquistions. But Fred Davis being virtually non-existent in the game last night, and essentially replacing his touches with what seems to be a smaller, slower, less menasing version of the Captain Chaos we are accustom to seeing, seems, atleast to me, like a very poor game planning decision. Especially when Fred Davis had been a dominant safety blanket in the first 2 games. Running stretch plays on most early 1st down scenarios. Redzone playcalling that discourages us from capitalizing on scoring opportunities, and turnovers. I realize that they're in the past, but the McNabb and Haynesworth debacles didn't really instill a solid foundation for trust. Larry Johnson, Joey Galloway. I'm not going to just accept these shaky decisions based on a lulling adherence to the Shanahan's past achievements. I will question.

Sorry if my initial statement was percieved as contentious, it wasn't my intent. I was looking for elaboration.

That's all.

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With Rex as our QB, I can guarantee 2 wins, 4 others are toss ups and 7 are sure losses.

Rex played well against the Giants and terrible to next two games.

We could end up 4-12 with Rex as our QB, nobody wants that. BECK

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Please, do tell me, any of you. Has any of our WRs or center done anything as ****ing stupid as Costa and the Dallas WRs did last night? Well, that's a damn good reason why Rex Grossman isn't screaming like a madman.

#2. I am ****ING sick and tired of "colloquial psychological theory" in which "leadership" is equivalent to just having more body language and screaming your ass off. When "leading" someone, you are trying to INFLUENCE their goddamn behavior. Going rah-rah-rah will not necessarily change anyone's behavior. There are a bunch of theories into leadership, but simply having more demonstrative body language and "screaming" ain't one of them.

And Beck can't lead? Who the **** was organizing those player workouts in the offseason. Yeah, Beck.

I might not care about religion, but all the forgiveness talk is bound to make non-members think sissyness is principle number 1.

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[quote=fanarchist;841696]I saw an excerpt from Wikipedia that claimed Dan Snyder was gay for dinosaurs. It's funny, but highly doubtful in the fact catagory.

[/quote]

Not only is that fact true, it also explains a lot.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;841725]Please, do tell me, any of you. Has any of our WRs or center done anything as ****ing stupid as Costa and the Dallas WRs did last night? Well, that's a damn good reason why Rex Grossman isn't screaming like a madman.

#2. I am ****ING sick and tired of "colloquial psychological theory" in which "leadership" is equivalent to just having more body language and screaming your ass off. When "leading" someone, you are trying to INFLUENCE their goddamn behavior. Going rah-rah-rah will not necessarily change anyone's behavior. There are a bunch of theories into leadership, but simply having more demonstrative body language and "screaming" ain't one of them.

And Beck can't lead? Who the **** was organizing those player workouts in the offseason. Yeah, Beck.

I might not care about religion, but all the forgiveness talk is bound to make non-members think sissyness is principle number 1.[/quote]

After you're done with your rant, maybe you can tell us how you took DynamiteRave's statement that she doesn't think Beck has the leadership qualities to succeed under pressure to mean she was making some statement about "sissy white Mormon boys"

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[quote=CapitalDefense;841699]With Rex as our QB, I can guarantee 2 wins, 4 others are toss ups and 7 are sure losses.

[B]Rex played well against the Giants and terrible to next two games.
[/B]
We could end up 4-12 with Rex as our QB, nobody wants that. BECK[/quote]

Rex did not play "terrible" against either the Cards or the Boys. He did make some bad plays, for sure, but he also made some positive plays as well.

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[quote=fanarchist;841696]Wikipedia is really not most reliable source for information. I saw an excerpt from Wikipedia that claimed Dan Snyder was gay for dinosaurs. It's funny, but highly doubtful in the fact catagory.
[/quote]

I understand what you're trying to say here, and in many cases you're correct (I wouldn't rely on their entry on chemistry experiments) but in this case Wikipedia [B]is[/B] a reliable source because the disagreement was whether anyone else thinks of Rex Grossman as a "gunslinger". The fact that someone went to the trouble of editing Grossman's entry to include references to this would seem to indicate that there are people who feel this is true.

Further, the article itself was located as a result of typing "Rex Grossman gu.." into Google, where "Rex Grossman gunslinger" is the #3 search term (behind "Rex Grossman guarantee", "Rex Grossman guarantee nfc east" and just after "Rex Grossman gut").

[quote]I realize that they're in the past, but the McNabb and Haynesworth debacles didn't really instill a solid foundation for trust. Larry Johnson, Joey Galloway. I'm not going to just accept these shaky decisions based on a lulling adherence to the Shanahan's past achievements. I will question.[/quote]

Well, I don't disagree with disliking many of those moves, but hindsight is 20/20. Signing McNabb was a risky move but one that a great deal of pundits thought would make us instant contenders. Nobody realized how far McNabb had fallen physically and the bigger issue probably turned out to be his attitude.

I'm one of those guys who thinks that the real issue with McNabb was that he refused to take direction from coaches. I read an an article that hinted that he'd always been this way in Philly, but Reid covered for him and for the most part, he used his physical attributes to brute force his way through bad decisions. But because he wouldn't take any coaching, and would just wave off instruction as "beneath him", be started to become less and less effective as he got older. What can you say, the guy was really good at saying the right things, and he was just too old to help us.

As for Haynesworth, I really don't understand what anyone can hang on Shanahan there. He didn't sign the guy. He made his intentions to switch to a 3-4 clear (and it's paying dividends now, so he seems validated) and they gave Fatal Bert plenty of opportunities, but Shanahan refused to kowtow to a spoiled player, and I think that was absolutely the right move. The inmates ran the asylum for far too long, and again, the discipline and cohesiveness we're seeing with this year's squad is proof that it was the right move.

LJ and Galloway, I mean, whatever, you bring in warm bodies for camp, if you think they can help you give them a shot. Hell, Gibbs brought in McCardell when he was 37. Lots of coaches bring in veteran players for a variety of reasons; they're cheap, they're experienced, they provide leadership and stabilize a team, and they're expendable if a young guy starts to shows promise and overtakes them.

I really can't say anything definitive about Davis being a non-factor last night except that I noticed it too and assumed he was just well covered the defense when he was in. It's safe to say teams know who he is now and he won't be able to get open quite so easily. Cooley has a lot of experience against Dallas so it would make sense to try and work him in often, but I agree with you that he's starting to look like he's really slowing down.

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[quote=dgack;841749]I understand what you're trying to say here, and in many cases you're correct (I wouldn't rely on their entry on chemistry experiments) but in this case Wikipedia [B]is[/B] a reliable source because the disagreement was whether anyone else thinks of Rex Grossman as a "gunslinger". The fact that someone went to the trouble of editing Grossman's entry to include references to this would seem to indicate that there are people who feel this is true.

Further, the article itself was located as a result of typing "Rex Grossman gu.." into Google, where "Rex Grossman gunslinger" is the #3 search term (behind "Rex Grossman guarantee", "Rex Grossman guarantee nfc east" and just after "Rex Grossman gut").



Well, I don't disagree with disliking many of those moves, but hindsight is 20/20. Signing McNabb was a risky move but one that a great deal of pundits thought would make us instant contenders. Nobody realized how far McNabb had fallen physically and the bigger issue probably turned out to be his attitude.

I'm one of those guys who thinks that the real issue with McNabb was that he refused to take direction from coaches. I read an an article that hinted that he'd always been this way in Philly, but Reid covered for him and for the most part, he used his physical attributes to brute force his way through bad decisions. But because he wouldn't take any coaching, and would just wave off instruction as "beneath him", be started to become less and less effective as he got older. What can you say, the guy was really good at saying the right things, and he was just too old to help us.

As for Haynesworth, I really don't understand what anyone can hang on Shanahan there. He didn't sign the guy. He made his intentions to switch to a 3-4 clear (and it's paying dividends now, so he seems validated) and they gave Fatal Bert plenty of opportunities, but Shanahan refused to kowtow to a spoiled player, and I think that was absolutely the right move. The inmates ran the asylum for far too long, and again, the discipline and cohesiveness we're seeing with this year's squad is proof that it was the right move.

LJ and Galloway, I mean, whatever, you bring in warm bodies for camp, if you think they can help you give them a shot. Hell, Gibbs brought in McCardell when he was 37. Lots of coaches bring in veteran players for a variety of reasons; they're cheap, they're experienced, they provide leadership and stabilize a team, and they're expendable if a young guy starts to shows promise and overtakes them.

I really can't say anything definitive about Davis being a non-factor last night except that I noticed it too and assumed he was just well covered the defense when he was in. It's safe to say teams know who he is now and he won't be able to get open quite so easily. Cooley has a lot of experience against Dallas so it would make sense to try and work him in often, but I agree with you that he's starting to look like he's really slowing down.[/quote]

And my point was that there are clear incongruities in how individuals define what actually constitutes a "gunslinger". I don't care if you labeled him, or if it's the most searched topic on the web. In my definition,(you can reference previous posts if you care to refresh your memory)Rex Grossman is not a "gunslinger", plain and simple. He's simply a pathetic decision maker that suffers from tremorous bouts where he lacks any impulse control whatsoever.

And to everything else you wrote. It's like I'm always battling with an incarnation of the same person, spewing the same rhetoric, from the same sources, where virtually no independant thought is required. Everything is a reference from someone else, and it fast becomes boring and myopic. I could glean your perspective on these issues by funneling the mass consensus through the same narrow vortex. Your last post was a huge waist of time. If you want to know how I would respond to all the same points go to my post history. I'm done playing the redundancy game.

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[quote=fanarchist;841798]And my point was that there are clear incongruities in how individuals define what actually constitutes a "gunslinger". I don't care if you labeled him, or if it's the most searched topic on the web. In my definition,(you can reference previous posts if you care to refresh your memory)Rex Grossman is not a "gunslinger", plain and simple. He's simply a pathetic decision maker that suffers from tremorous bouts where he lacks any impulse control whatsoever.

And to everything else you wrote. It's like I'm always battling with an incarnation of the same person, spewing the same rhetoric, from the same sources, where virtually no independant thought is required. Everything is a reference from someone else, and it fast becomes boring and myopic. I could glean your perspective on these issues by funneling the mass consensus through the same narrow vortex. Your last post was a huge waist of time. If you want to know how I would respond to all the same points go to my post history. I'm done playing the redundancy game.[/quote]

Or perhaps you just don't like rational debate with someone who doesn't always agree with you. I'm sorry to disappoint you. :(

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[quote=skinsfan69;841444]Has Santana ever had a double digit TD year? He can't physically dominate someone like Bryant can. I love the guy but he should be in the slot and maybe start getting Paul or Hankerson on the outside.[/quote]


Has Moss ever had a QB to trow him double TD years?

Hate Romo because he's a Cowboy, but he's a better QB then what we've had in Washington for a decade

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[quote=dgack;841799]Or perhaps you just don't like rational debate with someone who doesn't always agree with you. I'm sorry to disappoint you. :([/quote]

No I don't like it when people take what I say out of context, fragment, and skew it on a tilt so that it leans in a direction of their choosing. I enjoy rational debate, just not generic debate. But my posts are there. I've covered most of these topics.

And when we're running single wing offset I with Logan Paulson playing the wing, Cooley as the FB, and Fred Davis no where in sight on consecutive drives. There's a problem. Perhaps you should pay more attention to the game, and think less about how you're going to impress the pod people on the warpath.

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[quote=fanarchist;841804]No I don't like it when people take what I say out of context, fragment, and skew it on a tilt so that it leans in a direction of their choosing. I enjoy rational debate, just not generic debate. But my posts are there. I've covered most of these topics.

[B]And when we're running single wing offset I with Logan Paulson playing the wing, Cooley as the FB, and Fred Davis no where in sight on consecutive drives.[/B] There's a problem. Perhaps you should pay more attention to the game, and think less about how you're going to impress the pod people on the warpath.[/quote]

Speaking of this, any word on Davis? I've been avoiding sports radio/twitter/internet lately. I'm still baffled at how the guy disappeared.

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[quote=fanarchist;841804]Perhaps you should pay more attention to the game, and think less about how you're going to impress the pod people on the warpath.[/quote]

LOL. That's one way to "win" an argument, I guess. Kudos to you! Is that what you're looking for? I honestly don't know.

Like I said, I agreed with you that it was odd that Davis' name wasn't called more often and my first thought was that he had simply been covered well. Your reaction is to chide me for not paying enough attention to the game?

Good show, though! You're living up to the edgy nickname and will be an internet legend in no time. I await your next missive with bated breath!

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[quote=Ruhskins;841806]Speaking of this, any word on Davis? I've been avoiding sports radio/twitter/internet lately. I'm still baffled at how the guy disappeared.[/quote]He was on the field all but two snaps. Dallas just took him away in the passing game.

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[quote=SmootSmack;841357]Why can't Santana do that? He's shown he can time and time again[/quote]


The 4th down TD against Arizona comes to mind of him putting the team on his back in the clutch.

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[quote=SmootSmack;841643]What in the world are you talking about?[/quote]


Global Warming???