Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

GOAT that has to be one of the dumbest statements made on this board. vick doesnt get the calls because he is black? really? for the most part, i think its because he gets outside of the pocket, trying to make plays. but cantys hit was definitely a penalty

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;839672]I wish he were playing us. I want us to get a beat down on him. I don't want opponents to have an excuse.

You want to be the best, you beat the best your opponent's got to give. Then, in their heart of hearts, they know you beat them and that you are better then them.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Yeah it pisses me off too. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]We were lucky when we played the Giants because they were banged up and are a slow starting team.... IF we win against the Cowboys tonight its because they are really beat up and arnt at full strength..... When we play the eagles, Vick is out so same story....[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=dmek25;839683]GOAT that has to be one of the dumbest statements made on this board. vick doesnt get the calls because he is black? really? for the most part, i think its because he gets outside of the pocket, trying to make plays. but cantys hit was definitely a penalty[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]It was one of the most ignorant things ive read on this board. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Ill also say that part of the issue we as fans are dealing with is that no one knows the full defenseless player rules, just generalizations and summaries from people who have supposedly read it….[/FONT][/COLOR]
[/FONT][/COLOR]

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

So, he's a RUNNING QB who complains about being hit outside too much?

Seriously?

Good thing I already had zero respect for this scumbag...because I would have just lost some more.





added:
Out 3-4 weeks...we play them in 3 weeks...looking good for us to put the dagger into their season. :)

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;839672]I wish he were playing us. I want us to get a beat down on him. I don't want opponents to have an excuse.

You want to be the best, you beat the best your opponent's got to give. Then, in their heart of hearts, they know you beat them and that you are better then them.[/quote]

Not me, I'll take any advantage possible.

It's all about wins... and with Vick out 3-4 weeks there's a good chance they go into their bye week in a very serious hole.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=Mattyk;839715]Not me, I'll take any advantage possible.

It's all about wins... and with Vick out 3-4 weeks there's a good chance they go into their bye week in a very serious hole.[/quote]

Ditto.

I'll take a win over a divisional opponent ANY WAY POSSIBLE.

I hope we knock Romo out early tonight and clamp down on their ONLY WR. Bryant and Witten will be the only real threats tonight no matter who's playing QB for them. Their line is a disaster, so Romo and Felix Jones will likely exit early. The running game should be nonexistent for them.

Felt great beating the Giants while they were down, same with Dallas and Philly too.

At this rate, we're going to sweep the division.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=tdSKINS1;839605]Why is this a thread? If you watched Vick at VT and saw how he sacrificed his body for his team every week you wouldn't call him a cry baby. Any one of us would be cry babies if we played in the NFL and got 300 pound lineman hitting us every week.[/quote]You're a VT homer, Vick's speed put him so far above NCAA players it was ridiculous. He didn't sacrifice crap. I've got FAR more respect for sacrifices the RBs/LBs and lineman make than Vick. You try lining up about 7-10yds from another top level NCAA athlete and run full speed into him for 30 plays....and not get an ounce of recognition for it outside of your teammates....that's sacrifice.

And I've played in the military and semi-pro at QB...while the players aren't 300lbers, there were some damn good athletes (prior NCAA) at 250+ getting clean shots on my blind-side. There was also some dirty stuff that went on in semi-pro. I never whined or cried about it....and I wasn't getting a 7 figure paycheck either. I suspect there's several others on the board that have played at a higher level than me who didn't whine and cry like a little **tch when they took a few shots.

I'm sure Vick improved his Q score this weekend. LOL.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=Mattyk;839715]Not me, I'll take any advantage possible.

It's all about wins... and with Vick out 3-4 weeks there's a good chance they go into their bye week in a very serious hole.[/quote]I'm with you, whatever happens for us to make the playoffs....I'm good with it. Injuries are part of the game....especially for 6' 210lb running QBs.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

If I'm correct the minute he pulls the ball down he has become the runner even if he is just scrambling to make a throw. The only head shot I saw him take yesterday was when he was trying to run to the right away from the preasure and at that point was considered a runner. On that play he even lowered his head. The play that broke his hand his hand was smashed against his chest or he broke in when he fell to the ground.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=dmek25;839683]GOAT that has to be one of the dumbest statements made on this board. vick doesnt get the calls because he is black? really? for the most part, i think its because he gets outside of the pocket, trying to make plays. [B]but cantys hit was definitely a pe[/B]nalty[/quote]

Explanation? Along w/ all the other late hits and helmet to helmet hits not called?

The "Vick is a different kind of QB" argument is dumb dumb dumb. Lotta QBs extend plays w/ their legs i.e. Big Ben. The difference is defensive players don't constantly get in the late hit and helmet to helmet shots because they know the refs will call it and the league will fine them.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=firstdown;839720]If I'm correct the minute he pulls the ball down he has become the runner even if he is just scrambling to make a throw. The only head shot I saw him take yesterday was when he was trying to run to the right away from the preasure and at that point was considered a runner. On that play he even lowered his head. The play that broke his hand his hand was smashed against his chest or he broke in when he fell to the ground.[/quote]


Yes i think youre right. QBs also have the option to slide (this may be a option for everyone though?) when they run and not get hit. Although as Vick stated last year [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/11/vick-says-he-doesnt-know-how-to-slide/"]he doesnt know how to slide[/URL].

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=mooby;839636]Honestly I haven't seen as many borderline roughing the passer penalties as I did last year and I think the refs might've been instructed to lay off a little bit if it didn't appear intentional.

But the big problem with the refs across the league is inconsistency. They are just not consistent when it comes to appropriately measuring out punishment for intentional acts.[/quote]

agreed.
imo it seems the roughing the passer calls have been called less frequently than last year. There have been plays where i watch and say to myself "thats 15 yards" then no flag is thrown where as last year it would have been. i guess they overcall it the first year the rule is implemented, then during the offseason the league goes over film with them and tries to curb the unnecessary flags.

also i think there is a discrepancy btw refs as to what each individual ref considers roughing the passer.

heard mangini say on ESPN radio this morning that a 15 yard PF flag is thrown for something like 2.3 or 2.6 percent of vicks drop backs which is right in line with the QB league avg.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

I'll just leave these here.





[IMG]http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/b4/fullj.ac0b73b5ab3ed1b2a9f02eb24d4c0e78/ap-201109251604578948350.jpg[/IMG]




[IMG]http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/96/fullj.e039aa4b56a615a03d69ab3474433acb/ap-201109251536562158121.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=mlmpetert;839727]Yes i think youre right. QBs also have the option to slide (this may be a option for everyone though?) when they run and not get hit. Although as Vick stated last year [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/11/vick-says-he-doesnt-know-how-to-slide/"]he doesnt know how to slide[/URL].[/quote]

interesting lil tidbit. when a qb goes into a protected slide (D player cant hit them) the ball is marked where the ball was at the time the QB starts the slide, not where the ball is when the QB completes the slide or has his knee touch the turf. which is why most QBs will try and lung forward if they are close to the FD line instead of the slide.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=Meks;839638]did u also see the bogus intentional grounding call on the same play ? one.bad call to offset another, least they got that right .... Matt Ryan was hut helmet to.helmet worse than that BY THE EAGLES.. didn't get a flag or cry. .. **** racism... he doesn't get hit un fairly or borderline any effing more than alot of other passers in the league... he's a whiny brat with a false sense of entitlement just like the team, city and fans gettin plays for.

Trent dilfer ripped him on sports center with valid points and rightfully so...[/quote]

I did see the intentional grounding but that wasn't bogus at all, he was within the tackle box and he threw it to an area where there was no receiver in the vincinity. My point was the racism angle is just completely stupid. Could there have been a flag on that play? Yes, but for one reason or another, he didn't get it. He should be busy teaching his offensive linemen how to block instead of getting pissed at the refs.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=Monkeydad;839729]I'll just leave these here.

[IMG]http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/96/fullj.e039aa4b56a615a03d69ab3474433acb/ap-201109251536562158121.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Vick: Can you kiss it to make it better?

Manning: Don't worry, Momma Manning always kisses my boo-boo's when they hurt.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

They tell you to get your helmet on Vick and that's just what you have to do to stop the elusive sob. Don't dance so much in the pocket or run and maybe you'll see less hits.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

First look at the Canty hit and I thought it was a penalty. Subsequent looks led me to believe it might be legit -- a questionable penalty at best. Certainly not clear-cut.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=The Goat;839629]This.

And I'll add my own :twocents:. I think the refs and even the league are treading on the fine line of discrimination/racism wrt Vick. He's listed as a quarterback period end of sentence and when he's behind the LOS [B]extending a play w/ his feet[/B] there's no legitimate excuse for the helmet to helmet and/or late hits he takes. In short, every other marquee (err white) QB in the league gets the benefit of the doubt everytime in those instances. F*ck you barely lay a finger on Tom B's pretty head or dare to tap him after a play and there's a shower of yellow flags coming in for minutes. Same goes for several others.

I understand there's room for debate about what type of guy Vick is i.e. character issues but it's really, really disingenuous to pretend it's ok the guy is treated differently as a player.

Off soap-box...and ps I'm white.[/quote]The roughing calls that Vick gets or doesn't get are pretty in line with what a non-elite quarterback in this league gets the benefit of. He's not getting calls that Brady or Rivers may get, but you might think back to the Rodgers pick he threw in OT at FedEx last year to Landry, where Jarmon (incidentally) went helmet to helmet with him. Today, Rodgers absolutely gets that call. But because at the time he hadn't earned the benefit of the doubt, and it looked incidental enough, so no flag was thrown.

Campbell went the entire 2009 season without drawing a roughing flag, despite the fact we couldn't block anybody. But McNabb drew a roughing flag against the Cowboys on opening night 2010.

This is a penalty that gets flagged really inconsistently, and Vick seems to be on the wrong side of that more often than not. But it's a league-wide problem.

This does seem like a case of sour grapes, but I'll say this: Brady is far more whiny about it than Vick is. If there's any element of race here, it's not in how the penalties are administered, its in the public reaction to it: Brady is doing it because he's a competitor, Vick is doing it because he's soft.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=Mattyk;839666][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/26/report-vick-will-miss-3-4-weeks/]Report: Vick will miss 3-4 weeks | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]Unless they also lose a guy like McCoy or Maclin, they're going to be the toughest team on our schedule in the near future, with or without Vick.

The Eagles without Vick are a better team than the Cowboys or Rams at current strength.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=The Goat;839724]Explanation? Along w/ all the other late hits and helmet to helmet hits not called?

The "Vick is a different kind of QB" argument is dumb dumb dumb. Lotta QBs extend plays w/ their legs i.e. Big Ben. The difference is defensive players don't constantly get in the late hit and helmet to helmet shots because they know the refs will call it and the league will fine them.[/quote]Ben really doesn't get roughing calls in line with his abilities either. Now, part of that is because he's so tall that its nearly impossible to hit him in the head.

Though he did get the one last week where Brock fell into his legs. And that was questionable because he was blocked into his legs.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=GTripp0012;839742]This does seem like a case of sour grapes, but I'll say this: Brady is far more whiny about it than Vick is. If there's any element of race here, it's not in how the penalties are administered, its in the public reaction to it: Brady is doing it because he's a competitor, [B]Vick is doing it because he's soft.[/B][/quote]Best line of your post....Spot-on.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

Sour Grapes make good wine.

Vick does take a beating, but how much of it is his play style? I don't respect him as a person, but I do think he makes the NFL better and want to see him on the field. Give him more calls as long as they don't come against the skins.

As for not getting credit because other teams are banged up. I would be fine if all of the cowboys were hurt and we had to beat the shit out of the cheerleaders to get the win. I will complian as we win and get dropped in power rankings though.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;839672]I wish he were playing us. I want us to get a beat down on him. I don't want opponents to have an excuse.

You want to be the best, you beat the best your opponent's got to give. Then, in their heart of hearts, they know you beat them and that you are better then them.[/quote]

Not trying to look to far ahead but I would like Vick to play as I am sure the team does as well to try an exact some kind of revenge on them for the beating we took on MNF last year.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;839741]First look at the Canty hit and I thought it was a penalty. Subsequent looks led me to believe it might be legit -- a questionable penalty at best. Certainly not clear-cut.[/quote]

I thought it looked clean. A nice hard hit on a QB. We used to want these kinds of hits, until Tom Brady came along...now...don't hurt the poor little QB.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

Vick is taking a beating because the Iggles FO made the same sh*tty decisions that our old FO used to make: Get a whole bunch of pricey free agents and disregard your offensive line. As I've said before, the Eagles' $100 million QB is being protected by a $2 dollar offensive line. Vick is being a crybaby, but I think the Iggles FO needs to be called out.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

I don't really have any strong opinions about whether Vick deserves more flags or if there's a racial component to it all, but Mick Vick is hardly soft. You might not like him, but soft? Get the f@ck outta here. He's probably one of the toughest, although not necessarily durable, players in the NFL. The guy gets knocked around like a ping pong ball and keeps on trucking.

As far as the hit in the Giants game, it was close but definitely helmet to helmet. Bottom line, had that been Tom Brady or Peyton Manning flags would have been all over the place.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=Ruhskins;839751]Vick is taking a beating because the Iggles FO made the same sh*tty decisions that our old FO used to make: Get a whole bunch of pricey free agents and disregard your offensive line. As I've said before, the Eagles' $100 million QB is being protected by a $2 dollar offensive line. Vick is being a crybaby, but I think the Iggles FO needs to be called out.[/quote]

Right on Ruh. Makes me really appreciate that much more what our organization is doing these days. Im really liking the balance we are moving towards.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=GTripp0012;839742]
This does seem like a case of sour grapes, but I'll say this: Brady is far more whiny about it than Vick is. If there's any element of race here, it's not in how the penalties are administered, its in the public reaction to it: Brady is doing it because he's a competitor, Vick is doing it because he's soft.[/quote]

I disagree, highly. Brady gets called a whiner all the time by the public. The only reason it [B]seems[/B] more prevalent with Vick is because he's an Eagle, we have added reasons to hate on him.

And maybe in your area Brady gets a little more love since he's a Michigan guy. The three super bowls help too.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=GreekSkin;839762]I disagree, highly. Brady gets called a whiner all the time by the public. The only reason it [B]seems[/B] more prevalent with Vick is because he's an Eagle, we have added reasons to hate on him.

And maybe in your area Brady gets a little more love since he's a Michigan guy. The three super bowls help too.[/quote]No one talks about Brady around here. Then again, no one talks about pro football.

Things may change this year.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=VegasSkinsFan;839746]Sour Grapes make good wine.

Vick does take a beating, but how much of it is his play style? I don't respect him as a person, [B]but I do think he makes the NFL better and want to see him on the field. Give him more calls as long as they don't come against the skins. [/B]

As for not getting credit because other teams are banged up. I would be fine if all of the cowboys were hurt and we had to beat the shit out of the cheerleaders to get the win. I will complian as we win and get dropped in power rankings though.[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]As mooby pointed out consistency is the problem. Instead of giving Vick more calls, perhaps just call everything the same for every QB would be a better alternative? Set a standard, let everyone know what the standard is, show everyone the full rule not just generalities of it, and call things equally for everyone.[/FONT][/COLOR]

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=GreekSkin;839762][B]I disagree, highly. Brady gets called a whiner all the time by the public.[/B] The only reason it [B]seems[/B] more prevalent with Vick is because he's an Eagle, we have added reasons to hate on him.

And maybe in your area Brady gets a little more love since he's a Michigan guy. The three super bowls help too.[/quote]

I highly doubt this.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

Per NFL Network, Vick does not have a broken hand, but a contusion. He could play Sunday.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

I think he had a point. His mistake was harping on it.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=Ruhskins;839767]I highly doubt this.[/quote]

[url=http://dailypigskinreport.blogspot.com/2010/10/brady-one-of-games-biggest-whiners.html]Daily Pigskin Report: Brady One of Games Biggest Whiners (Baltimore Sun)[/url]

just one example. Google Brady and whiner for more. When the "Brady Rule" first came about, plenty of people called him a whiner for it.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

Brady is a well known whiner.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=GreekSkin;839781][url=http://dailypigskinreport.blogspot.com/2010/10/brady-one-of-games-biggest-whiners.html]Daily Pigskin Report: Brady One of Games Biggest Whiners (Baltimore Sun)[/url]

just one example. Google Brady and whiner for more. When the "Brady Rule" first came about, plenty of people called him a whiner for it.[/quote]

I stand corrected then.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/26/reid-vick-has-hand-contusion-not-fracture/"]and Vick's hand is not even broken[/URL]. pussy.

edit - just saw 12th already posted this...

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

Brady is a whiner. I personally know plenty of fans that say it all the time.

Re: Vick is a crybaby
 

[quote=Ruhskins;839751]Vick is taking a beating because the Iggles FO made the same sh*tty decisions that our old FO used to make: Get a whole bunch of pricey free agents and disregard your offensive line. As I've said before, the Eagles' $100 million QB is being protected by a $2 dollar offensive line. Vick is being a crybaby, but I think the Iggles FO needs to be called out.[/quote]The Eagles OL is unquestionably a work in progress, but to (quickly) defend the Eagles for all the changes that Howard Mudd made to that group between the lockout and Week 1, I think a lot of the "pressure" for the Eagles to win right away has been fabricated.

It's been written a lot of times that it's super bowl or bust for the Eagles this year, but I haven't heard anyone around the organization or even an insider suggest that anyone in the Eagles FO actually believes that this is a once-in-a-lifetime chance to win the super bowl.

It's true that Andy Reid is in the last year of his contract, but I think the Eagles plan on being better next year than they are this year. And this season is more a referendum on Reid/Castillo than it is on Vick or the OL/Howard Mudd, or Nnamdi/DRC, or Casey Matthews or whoever.

It's still fun to watch as the season melts down in front of them though. For all the angst that that team's successes have caused me during my falls, I have definitely reserved a special place in my heart for their continued failures.