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1rst choice - Ryan Mallett

2nd choice - Blaine Gabbert

3rd choice - Trade the pick, McNabb, and Haynesworth for Sam Bradford... hmmm... maybe this should be the 1rst choice. :cool-smil

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I believe Kellen Moore is returning to Boise State.Gabbert will go early.Other than Mallett,I like Colin Kaepernick of Nevada.likely to go in the 3rd-4th rd.

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[quote=skinsfan57;777963][B]I believe Kellen Moore is returning to Boise State.[/B]Gabbert will go early.Other than Mallett,I like Colin Kaepernick of Nevada.likely to go in the 3rd-4th rd.[/quote]

And that ladies and gentelmen is why you check before you post. Well then I change my pick to Gabbert then Newton. Thanks skinsfan

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Locker...if the Skins took Newton i think I'd kill myself, might as well trade for Romo!...that's how much i dislike Newton...lol

besides just the arrogant way he carries himself, I think he's entirely overrated and in no way ready to play QB in the NFL. Newton would need at least 2 years to learn.Skin's wouldn't wait that long, neither would we

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As much as i love Newton i don't think there's anyway we draft him b/c of this quote from Kyle Shanahan about Tebow last year:
[QUOTE=Kyle Shanahan on Tebow]If he's better at one thing than another, then you better figure out how to work that into your offense.....If you draft him and think you're going to do what you've been doing all along, you're probably going to be getting him ready for the next coach who's going to replace you[/QUOTE]

I voted Locker.
Good arm, solid mechanics, great mobility/playmaking
has experience making progressions and performing rhythm based 3-5-7 step drops from under center in a pro-style offense.

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I'll go with Locker despite the fact his credentials looked much better last year than this. He may be a better fit for the Shanahan system than some of the other prospects. He too has some thing he needs to work on.

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I voted for Mallett. I think Gabbert (1st choice) will go in the top 5.

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I voted for Mallett, because when I think it's all said and done, he'll be the best QB of this class, he definitely has the arm, pretty much has the accuracy, his decision making is good but not great, his feet are probably his weakness, especially since Shanahan QB's are required to run the bootlegs and move well in the pocket. But, I feel like that can be coached up to help him improve his feet.

Gabbert is a system QB with about as good of feet as Mallett (Yikes!), so NO.

Newton has the potential to be the next Big Ben, but reminds me too much of Vince Young and JaMarcus Russell. The question that I have for Cam Newton is can you read a defense, or are you always going to rely on your legs when your under pressure. NO.

Locker would be my second choice and is another major Boom or Bust like Cam Newton. I understand he didn't have great WR's at UW, so maybe he has that Matt Ryan potential there. He has the feet of an Elway (and the arm). But his senior year he made lots of bad choices and his completion percentage was not sexy at all. No, but if we had to pick a QB and Malletts gone, then Yes, take him.

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jake locker and blaine gabbert would be the best fits for us i think. mallett is too immobile. i also think blaine gabbert is the most overrated player in this draft. id prefer locker if we had to go qb at 10.

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Cam..... is a winner....... Locker on other hand, digressed this year.............

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Cameron Heyward proved to me that Mallett has trouble escaping a determined pass rusher. I'm going to jump on the Newton bandwagon.
I'm Buckskin and I approve this message.

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[quote=skinsfan57;777963]I believe Kellen Moore is returning to Boise State.Gabbert will go early.Other than Mallett,I like Colin Kaepernick of Nevada.likely to go in the 3rd-4th rd.[/quote]


I don't know much about Kellen Moore but I do agree with you about Mallet and the sleeper, Colin Kaepernick. You have to factor in the Combine to see how these guys approach it and how much they are willing to exert maximum effort in the various events. It won't make or break them but it will give you a clue as to what type of athlete they are.

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The interesting thing is that (especially with the looming rookie cap) is that there are now many, many prospects who I would feel comfortable taking with the 10th overall pick (if it was a one round draft and I couldn't get these guys later). Pat Devlin, Colin Kaepernick, Scott Tolzien, Christian Ponder, and maybe Andy Dalton would probably live up to the expectations I would have for a top ten pick. And they'll all be available a round later. Not that hard to find quarterbacks to fill a need...unless you're the Cardinals.

I think the only guy of the big four (or whatever) I'd want with the first round pick is Blaine Gabbert. He's the best one there, and only (I think) Mallett would really even be in the same discussion (for best of the four). I would caution against limiting the draft field to these four, because in the context of just the guys with first round grades, it's a weak class. But this is a year where plenty of late rounders are undergraded. The class is much stronger than a glance at the top would lead one to believe.

It's also a banner year for D-II/D-III players with NFL ability. You usually get one every five years. I believe you have three in this class alone.

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I voted Other (Who?) because I want a trade back in the 1st round in order to pick up more picks. I've seen Mallett and Newton. Not impressed. I like Stanford's QB, but that ain't happening!

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[quote=Nomad;777982]Cam..... is a winner....... Locker on other hand, digressed this year.............[/quote]

blaine gabbert had a much worse year this year as well yet hes pegged as the number 1 qb.

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[quote=juskins;777953]The earlier you draft a QB will give you the best possibility of getting the QB of the future. There are exceptions to what I have stated, no doubt, but the law of average is on your side if you draft early. You could make the same argument no matter what position you select. I just think the first round is the round to take that gamble. Yes, it is a crap shoot as with any selection for any position.

The QBs further down the pecking order usually don't pan out - just saying.[/quote]

Well I think people have posted statistic's on this before and it's about 50/50 as to 1st round drafted QBs making vs. later round QBs making it. I think your right that the law of averages would in theory prove that at any position the higher the round the better the player. Otherwise more players of that position keep getting taken by other teams and your left with whats left... mediocracy?

I like to think the coaching staff would look at the players skills, abilities, speed, strength, agility, character, and smarts, all compared with the style of offense being run. This being said it might not be the expected #1 QB or #2 QB coming out in the draft that fits your system. An example would be Trent Williams. Everyone expecte the Skins to pick the next best LT on the board and they went with T.Williams.

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Based on previous warpath.net QB polls, the QB who people like the most will be the least sucsessful. The one everyone overlooks will end up being the stud. Plus, Cam won't be available at # 10, as the months go by - and he completes his interviews and private workouts for NFL teams, his stock is going to skyrocket.

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I'm not trying to compare the two, but the thing with Locker you have to remember is, Dan Marino had a poor senior year compared to his junior year and his stock plummeted. He still turned out to be a pretty good QB. :pimp:

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I'm good friends with a MIZZ grad and he has seen Gabbert in person an has watched every game, this guy also coaches football and he says BG has a big arm but very inaccurate and caves under pressure, also lacks leadership on his own team, again that's just 1 persons view and he's not an expert obviously. I've watched him play quite a bit also and I'm not impressed, in fact I think the guy will be the next Tim Couch or Ryan Leaf.. If we draft him at 10 I'd be very disappointed I'd rather take locker or Mallett anyday, also he's not as mobile as folks think.

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[quote=BuckSkin;777983]Cameron Heyward proved to me that Mallett has trouble escaping a determined pass rusher. I'm going to jump on the Newton bandwagon.
I'm Buckskin and I approve this message.[/quote]

That's why you'd never make it in politics. You won't go far when you endorse busts. Cam Newton is like Sarah Palin. Flashy when they first get to the big stage, but stupid because because of all the dumb things they say and do. Just watch, he'll get interviewed for the draft and be quoted as saying something like, "Hey ya'll, I can see Russia from my house!"

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[quote=freddyg12;777882]This is tough, I'm between Locker & Newton but still unsure.[/quote]

locker but i had not considered newton hmmmmm that is tough

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[quote=redskinjim;778066]locker but i had not considered newton hmmmmm that is tough[/quote]

Newtons ability to play through distractions should not be discounted. I mean part of me is worried about the lack of success of junior QB's but the fact of the matter is that Newton did play in college for four years so maybe it's not that big a deal. Better yet we might not draft him at all. As of now I'm terrified and intrigued at the prospect of Newton being a Redskin.

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I vote for 14 year old Kayla Hochhalter who participated in today's pregame Youth Football Punt, Pass and Kick competition. Good mechanics, an absolute cannon for an arm, and kicks field goals better than Gano.

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Until I see a guy like Newton win a Super Bowl, I'll lean towards pocket passers. Regardless, the Skins need to keep drafting QBs until they find a guy who will emerge as one of the top 5-10 QBs in the league. Look at the teams who consistently make the playoffs. They're typically the teams with the best QBs. For the most part, the best QBs in the NFC made the playoffs this year and only Rivers (who is no stranger to the playoffs) and Schaub missed out in the AFC. It's a Quarterback-driven league. That said, I'd take Mallet.

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Locker

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[quote=44Deezel;778139]Until I see a guy like Newton win a Super Bowl, I'll lean towards pocket passers. Regardless, the Skins need to keep drafting QBs until they find a guy who will emerge as one of the top 5-10 QBs in the league. Look at the teams who consistently make the playoffs. They're typically the teams with the best QBs. For the most part, the best QBs in the NFC made the playoffs this year and only Rivers (who is no stranger to the playoffs) and Schaub missed out in the AFC. It's a Quarterback-driven league. That said, I'd take Mallet.[/quote]Is consistently making the playoffs really the ultimate goal though? What you're suggesting is defensible if that's the end game, because I think the playoff field, predominantly, is of the quarterbacks having the best years.

There's very little evidence to suggest that the better quarterback of two teams advances in the playoffs if the teams are equally skilled. And I think you're suggesting that instead of trying to build the best possible team, it's more important to find the best possible young quarterback.

If the goal is multiple championships, I think you build independent of the quarterback and hope to get a little lucky along the way, particularly through channels of player development. If the goal is to systematically build a playoff contender and hope to get the luck on the back end (the 2006 Colts, for example), then a top-level passing game would seemingly be the best way to do that.

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This is a good illustration.

Just for fun, I ran a single season search for the BEST EVER seasons by quarterback who posted completion percentages as poor as one would expect Locker to post in the pros based on his college struggles.

The results are [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1970&year_max=2010&season_start=2&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&c1stat=pass_cmp_perc_index&c1comp=lt&c1val=80&c2stat=pass_att&c2comp=gt&c2val=200&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_adj_net_yds_per_att_index"]here[/URL].

And for [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1970&year_max=2010&season_start=2&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&c1stat=pass_cmp_perc_index&c1comp=lt&c1val=85&c2stat=pass_att&c2comp=gt&c2val=200&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pass_adj_net_yds_per_att_index"]this one[/URL], I raised the baseline a bit to increase the margin for error on Locker's projection.

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I don't see anyway we go QB at 10. Does anyone actually think Shanny is going to look at any of these guys and think they are his guy? I guess I'm fine if our goal is to pick one and play him right away so we can go 1-15 and pick Luck next year with our first pick (sarcasm). I'd chew off my toenail rather than waste a pick on one of these bums just because we need a QB. I don't see a single one that looks like they'll amount to much in the NFL honestly.

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[quote=GTripp0012;778153]This is a good illustration.

Just for fun, I ran a single season search for the BEST EVER seasons by quarterback who posted completion percentages as poor as one would expect Locker to post in the pros based on his college struggles.[/quote]
Wait how do you know what expect from Locker?
I wouldn't have pegged you as a stat guy when it comes to QB evaluation.
I've watched quite a few Washington games and if you haven't watched them play you don't have a context to understand Locker's stats/comp%.

E.g. I've charted Locker's throws from the USC game and there were 5 flat out drops and a few throw aways and although i haven't charted everygame available on youtube i've watched most, and know a Husky fan that tells me that the drops were a very common occurance all season.
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Question:
Would you or the people in this forum be interested in a thread on the top QB prospects?
A thread that invite people to take a closer look (past the stats) at the commonly available game cut-ups (youtube) and discuss the particular plays from the same game so all have the same frame of reference and can discuss the specific plays that lead to the stats in context.

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[quote=30gut;778161]Wait how do you know what expect from Locker?
I wouldn't have pegged you as a stat guy when it comes to QB evaluation.
I've watched quite a few Washington games and if you haven't watched them play you don't have a context to understand Locker's stats/comp%.

E.g. I've charted Locker's throws from the USC game and there were 5 flat out drops and a few throw aways and although i haven't charted everygame available on youtube i've watched most, and know a Husky fan that tells me that the drops were a very common occurance all season.[/quote]I just assumed that you didn't have time to go through everyones (all 18) QB prospects with a higher completion percentage than Jake Locker and chart their drops.

I'm sure Locker (like all college QBs) is plagued by drops that could extend drives and help his offense score more points. Which sucks for him. In that case, just assume that Locker's inclusion among the linked list is because his pro receivers continue to drop his balls, since the low completion % numbers Locker will post in the pros will not be his fault.

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[quote=53Fan;777995]I'm not trying to compare the two, but the thing with Locker you have to remember is, Dan Marino had a poor senior year compared to his junior year and his stock plummeted. He still turned out to be a pretty good QB. :pimp:[/quote]


Some have suggest that Mallett is immobile (which I disagree) and yet you make a comparison of Locker and Marino, saying that Marino had a disappointing senior year at Pittsburgh. All true but what you didn't mention was that Marino was a pure pocket passer and not mobile as Locker is. Dan had great success and set many records. In fact, most of the successful QBs are pocket passers and don't rely that much on escaping the rush.

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I'm not sure why you choose to post in this manner and to be honest i'm a bit surprised and dissappointed.
But, to each their own.
[quote=GTripp0012;778191]I just assumed that you didn't have time to go through everyones (all 18) QB prospects with a higher completion percentage than Jake Locker and chart their drops.[/quote]
Wow um okay, why would i do that?
My point is that having watched the USC game i know that Locker had 5 drops.
If you look only at the stats you don't get the context.
And the context is that Washington is a re-building program w/ limited talent on offense outside of Locker.

-Judging by your response i take you aren't interested in discussing the way Locker played in the actual game?

[quote]In that case, just assume that Locker's inclusion among the linked list is because his pro receivers continue to drop his balls, since the low completion % numbers Locker will post in the pros will not be his fault[/quote]
Those predictions are close to meaningless.
One could easily have a model that projected QBs from college w/ high comp% that either went undrafted or were total busts in the NFL.

QB evalution is less about stats then about scouting.
Bill Walsh listed his college QB evaluation criteria in sum like this:
Competitive
Arm Strength
Complete Inventory
Quick delivery
Touch
Read defense
Mobility+Avoidance
Function while injured
Not easily rattled
Spontaneous decision/genius

He made no mention of stats nor of comp %.

HTTR!

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I think Locker will be the best QB in this years draft

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Do you think locker could beat out grossman and start day 1?

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[quote=cdskins26;778228]Do you think locker could beat out grossman and start day 1?[/quote]

I think he's capable of starting day1 BUT MS won't let that happen IMO.. Rex will be the guy next season, at least 4-6 games

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Heck I hope RG starts all season and becomes a very good QB but we all know that probably wont happen

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[quote=cdskins26;778228]Do you think locker could beat out grossman and start day 1?[/quote]

No, nor would I want him to if we selected him. As a refererence Cutler didn't play until week 13 his rookie year. Griese threw 3 passes in one random game during his rookie year.

Still I would rather our QB have sometime to learn weather it's most of his rookie year or into his second year. The trick is time everything up. QB's take two to three years till they really get it at the NFL level. Really good lineman like Trent take about half a season, while most lineman need a year or two. Receivers take about a year. Personally I never believed the whole 3 years for receivers. If they get it you'll see sooner rather then later.

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Id either like to take Andy Dalton in the third this year or Landry Jones in the second next year.

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[quote=WaldSkins;778366]Id either like to take Andy Dalton in the third this year or Landry Jones in the second next year.[/quote]

What if we took a QB at #10 though?

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[quote=SmootSmack;778367]What if we took a QB at #10 though?[/quote]

It floors me that people don't understand this question. Yeah I get it alot of us don't wanna take a QB at the 10th pick but this question CLEARLY states "IF" we take a QB....... I've read over 15 post saying no I wouldn't take a qb or we need to address the Oline or Dline first!!! OMFG REALLY.