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[quote=Dirtbag359;774560]What HC gigs are Zorn up for?[/quote]


Don't laugh to hard . Holmgren in Clevland has always loved him and depending on how far the Ravens go you never know.

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[quote=Mattyk;774616]I think the problem with Cable is there's a divide between him and Hue Jackson, at least those are the rumors. One of them has to go. [B] It wouldn't be the Raiders without some good ol internal dysfunction.[/B][/quote]

Funny how when you listen to the media on the Raiders situation, they label Al Davis as "unpredictable" when the more appropriate term should be "buffoonery".

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The Bengals are the worst coached team at any level of football. Lewis should have been fired a long time ago.

I dont understand why TN would fired Fisher, he doesnt have a QB an this is a QB league. Considering the trash he's had at the QB position I think he's done pretty good.

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Carolina needs a clue. Let me help: Hire Jim Harbaugh and then draft Andrew Luck #1. If nothing else, it should sell tickets.

If they can't get Harbaugh, they should hire Cowher.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;775034]Carolina needs a clue. Let me help: [B]Hire Jim Harbaugh and then draft Andrew Luck #1[/B]. If nothing else, it should sell tickets.

If they can't get Harbaugh, they should hire Cowher.[/quote]

Problem is those two moves would cost them a ton of $$ and it's a franchise that just doesn't spend like that.

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Sounding now like Harbaugh isn't as interested in Michigan, or they aren't as much in him. And Schefter is reporting Lewis will stay in Cincy

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[quote=skinsfaninok;774886]I think haslett has done a pretty damn good job considering all of the injuries and the haynesworth bull shit.. In fact look at the division defensive stats and we aren't that bad points wise

In fact we gave up 17 Points or less in 9 games this season.[/quote]

OMG, your going to make some enemies. lol.

See it's all about stats and the defense was ranked close to last stat wise. Who cares about turnovers, or points allowed.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;775034]Carolina needs a clue. Let me help: Hire Jim Harbaugh and then draft Andrew Luck #1. If nothing else, it should sell tickets.

If they can't get Harbaugh, they should hire Cowher.[/quote]

I think it's Cowher's for the taking. It's close to home, he seemed to be waiting for the job to open and he has been reportedly telling people he's about ready to come back to coaching.

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Carolina simply won't offer enough to Cowher. Yes, if he says "I'll coach Carolina for 3M a year", it's his. Carolina won't pay more than 4M (if that) for a coach. They paid 6M to Fox this year and one columnist (who I have forgotten, I think it was Clayton or Shefter) indicated that the owner was never going to pay top dollar again.

It may be close to home, but Cowher can probably get 5M from somebody ... I'd move for an extra 2M, wouldn't you?

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[quote=SmootSmack;775050]Sounding now like Harbaugh isn't as interested in Michigan, or they aren't as much in him. And Schefter is reporting Lewis will stay in Cincy[/quote]

Harbaugh should go to San Fran, thats best fit IMO.

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[quote=Chico23231;775057]Harbaugh should go to San Fran, thats best fit IMO.[/quote]

The best fit would be Carolina if Luck comes out, unfortunately they are more concerned with cash than winning. I don't want to see Harbaugh go to SF as I hate the 49ers and their fans. I put up with a lot of shit during the 80's. He would make them instant SB contenders.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;775055]Carolina simply won't offer enough to Cowher. Yes, if he says "I'll coach Carolina for 3M a year", it's his. Carolina won't pay more than 4M (if that) for a coach. They paid 6M to Fox this year and one columnist (who I have forgotten, I think it was Clayton or Shefter) indicated that the owner was never going to pay top dollar again.

It may be close to home, but Cowher can probably get 5M from somebody ... I'd move for an extra 2M, wouldn't you?[/quote]

I'd move or simply rent an apartment. Maybe it's just me but I really wonder if perhaps Carolina's owner has already spoken with Cowher a year ago and somewhat agreed on a price range. Almost everyone knew this was going to be Fox's last year to include himself. Now no one will admit it and everyone will say nothing is definit which is true but if I remember correctly there was talk of the Panthers owner having talked with Cowher and he said something to the fact that he would not come back to coaching yet. At the time I thought it had something to do with Fox's contract and possibly having one more year which was why Cowher said no to taking the job.

In any event I probably would take a job for a few mill less if it was closer to my home also.

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[quote=SBXVII;775051]OMG, your going to make some enemies. lol.

See it's all about stats and the defense was ranked close to last stat wise. [B]Who cares about turnovers, or points allowed[/B].[/quote]

Actually Turnovers are crucial and Points matter more than yards last time I checked

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[quote=skinsfaninok;775077]Actually Turnovers are crucial and Points matter more than yards last time I checked[/quote]

I'm sorry I forgot the sarcastic smiley. :yeahright Will this one do?

All I keep reading is how Haslett needs to go cause the defenses stats suck. Then you come along and present something nice about the defense. All I'm saying is watch out for the Haslett haters who want to throw stats at you. Thats all.

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If the fans are bound and determined to always be at square one, then by all means, call for the firing of Haslett.

I'd prefer to stick with him, get him some better personnel, and build a foundation for once.

Also, for everybody upset all year long over the switch to the 3-4: Wouldn't this have been the best year to do it? When the playoffs were out of reach anyway? Suppose we were to change over to the 3-4 in year two when things theoretically are coming together?

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[quote=Beemnseven;775089]If the fans are bound and determined to always be at square one, then by all means, call for the firing of Haslett.

I'd prefer to stick with him, get him some better personnel, and build a foundation for once.

[B]Also, for everybody upset all year long over the switch to the 3-4: Wouldn't this have been the best year to do it? When the playoffs were out of reach anyway? Suppose we were to change over to the 3-4 in year two when things theoretically are coming together?[/B][/quote]
No doubt about it. Had we been drafting guys to fit a 4-3 last year and this year we decided to switch, we're right back to square one with 3+ rookies not having any idea what they're doing.

As for those thinking Carolina won't give Cowher the right amount of money.. I highly doubt that. We're talking about a team that won TWO games! Think of the fans right now, they're laughing at management and the whole team. It's just like us last year, had we gone with a younger coach and finished this year at 6-10, we have no idea what to expect. Carolina needs to get a guy who can lead the team in the right direction and who can evaluate talent at the highest level. The owner saving 2 million per year will get a lot worse with the wrong coach.

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[QUOTE=IrMitchell;775097]As for those thinking Carolina won't give Cowher the right amount of money.. I highly doubt that. We're talking about a team that won TWO games! Think of the fans right now, they're laughing at management and the whole team. It's just like us last year, had we gone with a younger coach and finished this year at 6-10, we have no idea what to expect. Carolina needs to get a guy who can lead the team in the right direction and who can evaluate talent at the highest level. The owner saving 2 million per year will get a lot worse with the wrong coach.[/QUOTE]

If Cowher ends up in Carolina at 5M/year or if Cowher accepts 3M/year to coach in Carolina, I will walk nude from Sean Salisbury's house to FedEx in February.

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Cowher's "short list" of teams he would be willing to leave retirment for: New York Giants, Miami and the Houston Texans.

"The report says Cowher is ready to return to the sidelines after a four-year break from coaching. He listed the Dolphins, Houston Texans and New York Giants atop his list of teams he could consider coaching next season, the report said." [url=http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2010-12-19/sports/fl-bill-cowher-miami-dolphins-1219_1_short-list-new-york-job-miami-dolphins]ESPN: Dolphins on Bill Cowher's short list - Sun Sentinel[/url].

Don't see Carolina on any the list.

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[B]Urban Meyer to return miraculously-fast from "medical" leave AGAIN to coach the Tebow-led Broncos? [/B] :D

Why not?

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Todd Bowles to interview for HC with Cowboys and talks with Marvin Lewis and Bungles broke off, don't look good for his return there. Adam S. reported this.

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I believe Mike Mularkey is also interviewing for the Broncos job, not sure I heard it right though

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It's like a soap opera in Cincy. Marvin Lewis Re-signs his contract, he stays.

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Smart move by Cincy.

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I would be very leery of any coach, regardless of his credentials, who has been out of coaching more than a year. The game just changes so fast and the culture seems to be constantly evolving. It was pretty evident that even Shanahan, at times, had challenges adjusting during games and handling multiple personalities.

If I'm the owner of a team in need of a head coach, I'm staying away from Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher. They've acclimated to studio life and being TV personalities, I just think it would take some time for them to start working 16 hour days and juggling an NFL roster.

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Depends on what you do with your time away. Shanahan closely studied the game, I doubt his year away had any impact, more than anything it probably helped him recharge his batteries.

Cowher and Gruden are still closely involved with the league, they watch film and study teams & players, I wouldn't worry too much about hiring them myself.

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[quote=Mattyk;775152]Smart move by Cincy.[/quote]


REALLY? Your joking right

He's a terrible HC

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[quote=Mattyk;775166]Depends on what you do with your time away. Shanahan closely studied the game, I doubt his year away had any impact, more than anything it probably helped him recharge his batteries.

Cowher and Gruden are still closely involved with the league, they watch film and study teams & players, I wouldn't worry too much about hiring them myself.[/quote]


I'm sure they study film, but so what. It's not the same as studying and knowing what's going around the league [I]and[/I] preparing a team week in and week out. I'm not saying they would be utter failures or anything, but what NFL coach has returned from a layoff and taken a team on a Super Bowl run or deep into the playoffs.

Sure if you want a marquee name to fill the seats and win a few games here and there, no problem. But I think the best minds in football are the ones that are active. Cower and Gruden have been out like three seasons now, right?

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[quote=12thMan;775158]I would be very leery of any coach, regardless of his credentials, who has been out of coaching more than a year. The game just changes so fast and the culture seems to be constantly evolving. [B]It was pretty evident that even Shanahan, at times, had challenges adjusting during games and [B]handling multiple personalities[/B][/B].

If I'm the owner of a team in need of a head coach, I'm staying away from Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher. They've acclimated to studio life and being TV personalities, I just think it would take them same time for them to start working 16 hour days and juggling an NFL roster.[/quote]

No wonder Shanahan changes his story every five minutes - he has multiple personality disorder! I thought he was just a liar.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;775175]No wonder Shanahan changes his story every five minutes - he has multiple personality disorder! I thought he was just a liar.[/quote]

Is that why it looks like he has one eye looking one way and the other eye another? I wondered how he did that.

Could you imagine an on-field conversation between Cowher and Shanahan.

Shanahan: "Stop spitting on me!"
Cowher:"who are you talking to...me or the guy next to me?"
Shanahan: 'Get the gap between your front teeth fixed!"
Cowher: "Get a real tan."

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;775175]No wonder Shanahan changes his story every five minutes - he has multiple personality disorder! [B]I thought he was just a liar[/B].[/quote]

:doh:

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Anyone notice Detroit won their last 4 games? Pretty Impressive

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[quote=skinsfaninok;775189]Anyone notice Detroit won their last 4 games? Pretty Impressive[/quote]

Yeah Stafford looked awesome!.....oh wait,

Happy to see the Lions finish strong

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Yea good for Detroit, those folks havn't seen a good team since Barry Sanders, Now they need to get Stafford healthy for a whole season

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[quote=12thMan;775173][B]I'm sure they study film, but so what. It's not the same as studying and knowing what's going around the league[/B] [I]and[/I] preparing a team week in and week out. I'm not saying they would be utter failures or anything, but what NFL coach has returned from a layoff and taken a team on a Super Bowl run or deep into the playoffs.

Sure if you want a marquee name to fill the seats and win a few games here and there, no problem. But I think the best minds in football are the ones that are active. Cower and Gruden have been out like three seasons now, right?[/quote]

It's not?

I'd bet they know more about the league as a whole than most active coaches, who are more focused on their weekly opponents than what's going on league wide.

Point is they're not far removed from the game and understanding what's the newest flavor as far as schemes or philosophies. A couple of years removed, not a huge deal. 10 years away like Gibbs, Vermeil, etc., and there's going to be a learning curve coming back.

Retreads don't always replicate their past success simply because it's just that hard to win in this league consistently, and a variety of other factors.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;775172]REALLY? Your joking right

He's a terrible HC[/quote]

Not joking at all.

He's a good fit there, who else has been able to win anything there since the 80s?

Before he came along, the Bengals hadn't had a winning season since 1990. His first two seasons he had them at .500 and by year 3 they were 11-5 in the playoffs.

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I see what your saying Matt but in all honesty his overall record is poor and in 8 seasons hasn't won a playoff game, and look at some of his seasons and they are zorn like.. He's a damn good defensive coord, but it's as a HC Its time for him to get the ax.

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[quote=12thMan;775158]I would be very leery of any coach, regardless of his credentials, who has been out of coaching more than a year. The game just changes so fast and the culture seems to be constantly evolving. It was pretty evident that even Shanahan, at times, had challenges adjusting during games and handling multiple personalities.

If I'm the owner of a team in need of a head coach, I'm staying away from Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher. They've acclimated to studio life and being TV personalities, I just think it would take some time for them to start working 16 hour days and juggling an NFL roster.[/quote]
Joe Gibbs was out of football for 15 years cam in and took the worst managed roster to the playoffs twice in four years.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;775214]I see what your saying Matt but in all honesty his overall record is poor and in 8 seasons hasn't won a playoff game, and look at some of his seasons and they are zorn like.. He's a damn good defensive coord, but it's as a HC Its time for him to get the ax.[/quote]

Cincy's scouting dept is considered the joke of the league

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That whole organization is a joke

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[quote=SmootSmack;775219]Cincy's scouting dept is considered the joke of the league[/quote]

Why? B/c they are understaffed? B/c couldn't find talent if it walked up an smacked them in the head?

All of a sudden I have visions Mike Brown giving a tour of the facilities to a potential new coach, opening a closet door, and inside is some ancient guy with rolls of old 8mm film watching film clips from the 1986 Fiesta Bowl. Mike then says "and this is Barney, our scouting department."