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When Hunter Smith was punting out of bounds away from Hester, did anyone else think the officials were being a little ridiculous with their spots? It was almost like they were deliberately penalizing the Skins for not punting to him. Seriously, the officials were running sometimes 15 or 20 yards away from where the ball appeared to go out of bounds.

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McNabb was bad but he wasn't Cutler-horrible. He made some nice throws. Had Armstrong not dropped that wide open deep pass we might be talking about a different game. Our Oline was horrible and didn't give him much time and i think he got a little jumpy. W/ a better...decent oline McNabb will play alot better.

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Worst was McNabb seeming to panic in the pocket
Best (aside from Hall) was watching Orakpo cause HAVIC and chase down Cutler

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[quote=Beemnseven;752026]When Hunter Smith was punting out of bounds away from Hester, did anyone else think the officials were being a little ridiculous with their spots? It was almost like they were deliberately penalizing the Skins for not punting to him. Seriously, the officials were running sometimes 15 or 20 yards away from where the ball appeared to go out of bounds.[/quote]

The spots seemed generous but it's tough to see where exactly the ball goes out on TV.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;752011]He's not even close to Brunell like. And when you spend 11 years in one system it does take a while to get it going. If you are right-handed and all of a sudden I tell u to write with ur left, you wont be scoring A's in penmanship right off the bat are you?[/quote]

The Eagles offense was not that different from the offense McNabb is running now, so it really isn't a system thing. Donovan has been missing some wide open receivers.

Of course he has also been having a lot of his on target passes dropped as well. It is just going to take time.

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Well, I think the system reason has some merit to mis-timing and missed reads, but Donovan has had his bad side show up and missed some easy ones. Hell, even Jason Campbell could hit Zach Miller right on the money for the touchdown on a play very similar to the one to Davis, even if Hue Jackson had a completely different terminology that Shanahan's.

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[quote=skinsguy;752036]The Eagles offense was not that different from the offense McNabb is running now, so it really isn't a system thing. Donovan has been missing some wide open receivers.

Of course he has also been having a lot of his on target passes dropped as well. It is just going to take time.[/quote]

There are probably similarities but overall more is probably different than not. The verbiage is different and so are the protections. Reid runs a more pure west coast offense with 3 step drops based on timing, get the ball out quick. Shanahan's system runs more off play action, with more 5-7 step drops.

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Im not really buying the "get use to the system" excuse right now with McNabb. He is a pro bowler, vetern QB who is not a stupid guy. We are 6 games into the season and he understands the basic concepts of a west coast offense he learned in Philly.

He flat out missed the end blitzer on the pick six, that was clearly on him and unexcusable. He missed bad on probably 10 throws. Couple people dropped very catchable balls, that didnt help.

I understand the "he will have games like these every now and then" but this is now 2 weeks in row where he has played pretty poor.

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[quote=irish;752015]I give my game ball to Cutler, he did his utmost to help the Skins win. Its obvious the Bears have hitched their wagon to the wrong QB.[/quote]


Cutler has a natural affinity for Shanahan. Hall immediately texed him a thank you for making him defensive player of the week.

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[quote=skinsguy;752036]The Eagles offense was not that different from the offense McNabb is running now, so it really isn't a system thing. Donovan has been missing some wide open receivers.

Of course he has also been having a lot of his on target passes dropped as well. It is just going to take time.[/quote]

McNabb has always been hit or miss. When we traded for him my brother in law told me I would love him but he would drive me crazy because of his tendencies to miss wide open receivers. To this point he was totally correct, I liek him extending plays and pushing the ball down the field, I hate him missing open WRs 10 yards down the field.

Oh well it is far better than having JC and at least we are fun to watch again! I'd watch these games just to watch Orakpo he's quickly becoming my favorite NFL'er

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Our 13 first downs was a season-low, and we converted only 2 of 15 third-down attempts.

Wow those stats above is simply mind numbing. I wouldnt mind Shanny getting more involved with the offense with Kyle. We should be playing better than that, granted that Chicago's D is underrated IMO, but they are not that good.

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No they aren't that good at all. Were we able to run a single successful screen to a RB or Te yesterday? I can't remember

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[quote=Jontrem;752045]No they aren't that good at all. Were we able to run a single successful screen to a RB or Te yesterday? I can't remember[/quote]

For some reason, maybe Gtripp or SS33 with film review can help me out, we cannot run a RB screen. Probably the poorest team I can remember running it. We ran like a 5 yard TE screen to Cooley, ok pick up, not great.

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Rogers and McIntosh have to be re-signed. They're solid.

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Well the inability to execute a proper screen may be part of the reason that McNabb is always being chased around the pocket, if Dlinemen and blitzing Lbs know they dont have to worry about a RB screen then they can blitz more effectively. Also the BEST way to slow down the pressure with a questionable Oline is screen passes. Shanny needs to fix that ASAP

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[quote=diehard;752049]Rogers and McIntosh have to be re-signed. They're solid.[/quote]

Totally agree on both, wondering what McIntosh will want for resigning. I am not sure who Rodger's agent is but even with the hands issue I can see him being tough to re-sign

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[quote=skinsfaninok;752022]I actually though it was a damn exciting game to watch and Mcnabb Haters need to shut up! This team would be 2-5 with JC so chill the hell out.. SMH[/quote]

Not a hater yet, I just expect him to play better. He got some lucky breaks or he singlehandly losses the game.

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[quote=Chico23231;752040]Im not really buying the "get use to the system" excuse right now with McNabb. He is a pro bowler, vetern QB who is not a stupid guy. We are 6 games into the season and he understands the basic concepts of a west coast offense he learned in Philly.

He flat out missed the end blitzer on the pick six, that was clearly on him and unexcusable. He missed bad on probably 10 throws. Couple people dropped very catchable balls, that didnt help.

I understand the "he will have games like these every now and then" but this is now 2 weeks in row where he has played pretty poor.[/quote]


The team continues to win these close games despite McNabb. Maybe it's "magic", the only team in the NFL with a winning record that has given up more points than they've scored.

As for the Bears, I've never seen a team turn the ball over on five straight possessions, talk about self-destruct.

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[quote=Longtimefan;752084]The team continues to win these close games despite McNabb. Maybe it's "magic", the only team in the NFL with a winning record that has given up more points than they've scored.

As for the Bears, I've never seen a team turn the ball over on five straight possessions, talk about self-destruct.[/quote]

Right we ve been lucky in that regard and hats off to Haslett and the defense. You cant ask for a defense to play any better on the road.

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Positives: Our defense holding their offense to 7 points
Negatives: Only 7 points from our offense?? You can't be a playoff team if you score only 7 points/ you can't rely on your defense getting you the other 7 points.
And we have detroit this week who I'm scared of, more so than the Bears.

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[quote=mooby;751924]Now come on. He did lead us on that touchdown drive in the first quarter after we spotted the Bears a 7-0 lead. Without that touchdown we would've lost the game. If we don't score that touchdown and Bears go up 14-0, they might not have passed at all in the second half except after they set up the play action by running repeatedly at us.[/quote]

He also gave the bears the 7 points before that drive.

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I'm not sure why Hall does not have 100% of the votes.

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Best..Dhall,AH, Rak...all were balling yesterday.

Worst...The whole damn offense. How many times did they get the ball around the 50 and still only put up 10 points???? Our offesne is almost as bad as Chicago's

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I think it is great that we won a game despite poor QB play. In the past poor QB play sank the whole ship for us.

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[quote=Lotus;752111]I think it is great that we won a game despite poor QB play. In the past poor QB play sank the whole ship for us.[/quote]

This.

Also, in past years the D would keep the stats good, but would not get the turnovers, or hold on at the end. This year, 2 x the D has gotten a defensive score and that has been the difference in the game, and in the Colts game even though we lost, they stiffened at the end. I like this D far better than last year's.

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[quote=diehard;752049]Rogers and McIntosh have to be re-signed. They're solid.[/quote]

I would sign those 2 before I give McNabb and extension.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;752116]I would sign those 2 before I give McNabb and extension.[/quote]

McNabb is still the best Qb on the team so who else would you put in there besides him? Grossman?

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[quote=skinsfan69;752118]McNabb is still the best Qb on the team so who else would you put in there besides him? Grossman?[/quote]

I still would sign him to an extension but it will be nothing like what some top notch QB's are getting. The last 3 weeks he really hasn't looked that good, lots ready of balls thrown to the ground, over throws, I guess the eagles already knew that.

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[quote=takethecake;752008]Best: Not trading two first-round picks for Jay Cutler :rolleyes:[/quote]

This is what Adam S. posted on his website yesterday and you are right, this would have been a disaster.

On the morning Chicago traded for Jay Cutler, Washington had framework of a deal with Denver: two 1s and two 3s for Culter. Bears topped it.

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Someone might have mentioned this, but how about Anthony Armstrong's drop in the first quarter (and then Cooley right after that). That has to count among the worst.

And I mentioned it a few weeks back, but Brown still looks hurt. And when you're playing only slightly better than Heyer that's probably not a good sign. Granted it's expected that it would take him possibly a full year to get healthy but while we talk about keeping McNabb past this year...what about Brown?

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Armstrong's drop was absolutely inexcusable. McNabb dropped it in there perfectly. Cooley's early drop was pretty bad too.

They're gonna have to seriously evaluate Brown's health after this season. Is the hip a chronic problem or will he heal up eventually? Right now scary to say but Heyer is probably the better option.

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And on McNabb's last interception, Galloway seemed to have no idea the ball was even coming his way. Where's that savvy veteran we were expecting with Galloway (for the record, DT was inactive in Carolina)

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[quote=SmootSmack;752174]And on McNabb's last interception, Galloway seemed to have no idea the ball was even coming his way. Where's that savvy veteran we were expecting with Galloway (for the record, DT was inactive in Carolina)[/quote]Galloway doesn't do anything like a veteran except be old.

I think it's pretty clear how much his speed covered up for a remarkable lack of technique in his game. He's pretty much the anti-Derrick Mason.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;752114]This.

Also, in past years the D would keep the stats good, but would not get the turnovers, or hold on at the end. This year, 2 x the D has gotten a defensive score and that has been the difference in the game, and in the Colts game even though we lost, they stiffened at the end. I like this D far better than last year's.[/quote]Absolutely the case. We have two defensive scores this year, which matches our total from 2006-2009.

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We have, I believe, as many takeaways through the first 7 games this year as we did each of the last two full seasons

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Which is one of the most obvious reasons that we are scoring more. If returns are random, then more total returns will mean more returns for TDs.

Then there's the element where we no longer consider it a waste of practice time to let the defense practice returns on interceptions. Granted, I'm pretty sure Hall scores without blocking on both of those TD returns this year, but at least we won't run into a Kareem Moore/Robert Meachem situation again.

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[quote=SmootSmack;752181]We have, I believe, as many takeaways through the first 7 games this year as we did each of the last two full seasons[/quote]
And it's definitely a style of play. You see players swarming around the ball, and guys taking shots at getting the ball loose. I imagine that could be adding to the yardage as there is emphasis both on tackling and causing turnovers, but so far I would say the increased turnover production has been far more critical then the number of yards gained.

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According to Rich Campbell's weekly update on Rugged Torain, 8 broken tackles against the Bears and 107 yards after initial contact