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[quote=Defensewins;715296]If true, who cares? Did any other players fail the test?
The guy is a 340 pound immovable object, not a WR or DB.
They are worried he is going to get hurt because he cannot run a certain routine? Silly. Put him in and let him run over some of our OL. Then see who will get hurt.[/quote]Here, here.

Shanahan's ego really irks me. We get it. You have the authority to find a conditioning exercise to really push the limits of a 6'4" 315 lb human body. You can break him.

Keep up the good work, coach. Is the conditioning test the new [URL="http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2007/05/30/mike-shanahan-makes-broncos-take-lie-detector-tests/"]polygraph[/URL]?

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Un'fing-believable. That fat bastard should be sued and then released.

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Maybe it's become a battle of egos but again, all Haynesworth had to do was either participate with the team in the off-season or show up to camp in the best shape he's ever been and there wouldn't be a problem.

Shanahan (and Allen) is being tasked with changing the culture at Redskins Park from the past two years and restoring the winning tradition that's been lacking. If that means he has to be a dick about things every now and then, as long as it works in the end that's all that really matters to me

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[quote=SmootSmack;715354]Maybe it's become a battle of egos but again, all Haynesworth had to do was either participate with the team in the off-season or show up to camp in the best shape he's ever been and there wouldn't be a problem.

Shanahan (and Allen) is being tasked with changing the culture at Redskins Park from the past two years and restoring the winning tradition that's been lacking. If that means he has to be a dick about things every now and then, as long as it works in the end that's all that really matters to me[/quote]Undoubtably, it took two really stubborn people to create this mess. I don't think a closer offseason proximity would have made either less stubborn personally.

I think the best chance for this to work is for Albert to take to Haslett as a person and a coach he respects, and for Shanahan to stay the hell out of the way.

I also think the Skins DL coach could be a key factor in this, but I don't know very much about him (and even his name isn't coming to me off the top of my head).

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[quote=GTripp0012;715351]Here, here.

Shanahan's ego really irks me. We get it. You have the authority to find a conditioning exercise to really push the limits of a 6'4" 315 lb human body. You can break him.

Keep up the good work, coach. Is the conditioning test the new [URL="http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2007/05/30/mike-shanahan-makes-broncos-take-lie-detector-tests/"]polygraph[/URL]?[/quote]

Huh?

Haynesworth's conditioning has always been a problem.

It's about time somebody calls him out on it.

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Jacob Burley, I think?

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Burney

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[quote=wilsowilso;715358]Huh?

Haynesworth's conditioning has always been a problem.

It's about time somebody calls him out on it.[/quote]Right, but this wasn't about conditioning. Not for one second. It was about making Albert fail.

As a coaching technique, fine. May we all be without flaw of holding personal biases against players. As a conditioning exercise, stupid.

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[quote=SmootSmack;715360]Burney[/quote]That's right.

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[quote=SouperMeister;715348]Almost makes me think that his restroom break was a planned stunt. Show Shanahan that you're in great condition, but don't complete the drill, forcing Shanny to make the next move.[/quote]
Or maybe Shanny spiked his water, ya know force him to have to use the bathroom. That'll teach him!

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/07/29/10/Source-Haynesworth-Fails-Test/landing_v3.html?blockID=279717&feedID=6458]Source: Haynesworth Fails Part Of Test[/url]

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Sounds like he probably would have passed if he didn't take a break. Reports are saying he's definitely in a lot better shape than last year.

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It's his MO...play hard for a few plays and then take a break.

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Can we all agree that if the Skins really cared to find out if Albert was in good enough shape to play 45 downs in a football scrimmage, the answer is obviously a yes.

I believe the Redskins didn't expect anything different from the start, but that's treading down the path of conspiracy.

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I dont know if this test was really fair. I mean do they normally make d-linemen run like this?

Is this a normal test Shanny always administers? If its some sort of special test, then I would have to put the blame on MS.

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[quote=GTripp0012;715361]Right, but this wasn't about conditioning. Not for one second. It was about making Albert fail.

As a coaching technique, fine. May we all be without flaw of holding personal biases against players. As a conditioning exercise, stupid.[/quote]


It was all about conditioning.

Are you saying they gave him a test that was impossible to pass?

Give me a freakin break. If he was in great condition he would have passed the test. The guy is never in great condition so they might have assumed that he wouldn't pass, but that's no reason not to test him.

That would just be protecting him from himself. The rest of the team would see right through that.

Dude needs to grow up. He needs to be in great shape.

He is a professional athlete.

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[quote=GTripp0012;715361]Right, but this wasn't about conditioning. Not for one second. It was about making Albert fail.

As a coaching technique, fine. May we all be without flaw of holding personal biases against players. As a conditioning exercise, stupid.[/quote]

I agree with you. There's no way all the linemen are required to do two 300yard shuttle runs. i mean, thats about the most retarded thing i've ever read. these guys are well over 300lbs. no matter how well-conditioned, a guy that big couldnt successfully pass this test.

I am no fan of Haynesworth and i'd like nothing more than to trade him. however, he finally decided to show up and reports were he was willing to do whatever haslett and shanahan asked. the prodigals son returned... only to be pissed on by Shanahan. Whatever shanahan was trying to accomplish, its sure to backfire. This wont help anything.

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I highly doubt MS wanted him to fail the test. Do we really think MS wants this drama to continue? Does he really want to have to keep answering questions about this guy??

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[quote=wilsowilso;715370]It was all about conditioning.

Are you saying they gave him a test that was impossible to pass?

Give me a freakin break. If he was in great condition he would have passed the test. The guy is never in great condition so they might have assumed that he wouldn't pass, but that's no reason not to test him.

That would just be protecting him from himself. The rest of the team would see right through that.

Dude needs to grow up. He needs to be in great shape.

He is a professional athlete.[/quote]From the article that SS posted it sounds like he did pass but then they got him on a technicality and made him do half of it again.

If he came into camp in better shape with an improved attitude why try to screw him over like that?

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[quote=GTripp0012;715351]Here, here.

Shanahan's ego really irks me. We get it. You have the authority to find a conditioning exercise to really push the limits of a 6'4" 315 lb human body. You can break him.

Keep up the good work, coach. Is the conditioning test the new [URL="http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2007/05/30/mike-shanahan-makes-broncos-take-lie-detector-tests/"]polygraph[/URL]?[/quote]

Seriously? You're going to blame this on the coach? This guy is getting millions of dollars, didn't show up for off season workouts b/c he had a personal trainer and is asked to do some conditioning drills and fails and it's the coaches ego? Sorry, but Shanahan has every right to run that fat bastard ragged until he proves himself. If Fat Ass was a real man and was working out like he said he was, he would've done everything in his power to pass that test and show everyone that he was indeed in great shape.

I hope Shanahan rides his ass like 10 cent whore with a fist full of fifties!

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Wait wait wait, how do we know this is a standard test? Do D-linemen normally get this kind of test?

If not, then how do we know if the test accurately reflects his ability(especially if the majority of D-Linemen may not pass this test). Again I dont know one way or another, just a question and not a rush to conclusion.

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Tell you what, he's certainly not endearing anyone to himself pulling these stunts.

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[quote=wilsowilso;715370]It was all about conditioning.

Are you saying they gave him a test that was impossible to pass?

Give me a freakin break. If he was in great condition he would have passed the test. The guy is never in great condition so they might have assumed that he wouldn't pass, but that's no reason not to test him.

That would just be protecting him from himself. The rest of the team would see right through that.

Dude needs to grow up. He needs to be in great shape.

He is a professional athlete.[/quote]Respectfully, I think this is naive. The Redskins got exactly what they wanted to get out of this conditioning test. But I never doubted for a second that this would be the case, even before we knew the outcome.

This exercise is a Rorschach test. I can respect an argument that says that DTs in the NFL can never be in good enough condition, but I think it's telling that Kedric Golston and Howard Green were not asked to do 300 yard shuttles until failure. Aren't they important (first team) cogs in this machine? Shouldn't we test their conditioning?

They wouldn't have passed the same standards, btw. I'm okay with that, because they are football nose tackles, and not defensive backs or track athletes.

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[quote=murphy196;715375]Seriously? You're going to blame this on the coach? This guy is getting millions of dollars, didn't show up for off season workouts b/c he had a personal trainer and is asked to do some conditioning drills and fails and it's the coaches ego? Sorry, but Shannahan has every right to run that fat bastard ragged until he proves himself. If Fat Ass was a real man and was working out like he said he was, he would've done everything in his power to pass that test and show everyone that he was indeed in great shape.

I hope Shannahan rides his ass like 10 cent whore with a fist full of fifties![/quote]

Yeah I can't understand blaming Shanahan. The days of the inmates running the asylum are over.

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Looks like Shanny really wants to find out if Haynesworth wants to be a Redskin. Good for him.

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[quote=hooskins;715376]Wait wait wait, how do we know this is a standard test? Do D-linemen normally get this kind of test?

If not, then how do we know if the test accurately reflects his ability(especially if the majority of D-Linemen may not pass this test). Again I dont know one way or another, just a question and not a rush to conclusion.[/quote]Any DB, WR, RB, QB, LB, or TE could have been reasonably expected to pass this conditioning test if they were in training camp shape. For lineman, you'd probably have a bunch of failures related to both BMI and conditioning level. You'd also have a bunch of lineman who'd pass easy. Casey Rabach, I think, would have done just fine. Trent Williams, probably as well. Dockery? Now we're getting into guys who'd really, really labor on a third 300 yd shuttle.

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I'm sure there was more to it than simply failing a conditioning test. But I don't think Shanahan was going to just let Haynesworth show up without making him pay at least a little bit for the past several weeks.

Not like he was going to just let him walk in as if nothing happened.

At the end of the day though, not a huge deal. So Haynesworth misses maybe one day of practice and is forced to sit and watch his teammates.

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[quote=wilsowilso;715370]It was all about conditioning.

Are you saying they gave him a test that was impossible to pass?

Give me a freakin break. If he was in great condition he would have passed the test. The guy is never in great condition so they might have assumed that he wouldn't pass, but that's no reason not to test him.

That would just be protecting him from himself. The rest of the team would see right through that.

Dude needs to grow up. He needs to be in great shape.

He is a professional athlete.[/quote]

The 'dude' is a top 5 interior DL in the NFL. There are plenty of really top lineman in the NFL that can not pass a rigorous cardio conditioning tests.
If we all really care about winning, it is time to put all of these ridiculous situations behind us. I realize Haynesworth is a selfish fat bastard and is mostly to blame. But he is a top interior DL in the NFL that combines a rare pass rush and run stopping ability. Continuing to make Haynesworth our public punching bag is not going to help us win.
Having a healthy and positive Haynesworth on our DL this year will help us win.

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[quote=SmootSmack;715382]I'm sure there was more to it than simply failing a conditioning test. But I don't think Shanahan was going to just let Haynesworth show up without making him pay at least a little bit for the past several weeks.

Not like he was going to just let him walk in as if nothing happened.

At the end of the day though, not a huge deal. So Haynesworth misses maybe one day of practice and is forced to sit and watch his teammates.[/quote]

A little payback perhaps? Let's run the guy ragged and drag his name through the mud one last time kind of thing? I can see that.

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I think one of the points people are missing is MS saw the other DL man working out everyday so he never had to test anyone else like this, so when AH showed up he had to push him harder makes sense to me. New season new FO.

HTTR.

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[quote=SmootSmack;715382]I'm sure there was more to it than simply failing a conditioning test. But I don't think Shanahan was going to just let Haynesworth show up without making him pay at least a little bit for the past several weeks.

Not like he was going to just let him walk in as if nothing happened.

At the end of the day though, not a huge deal. [B]So Haynesworth misses maybe one day of practice and is forced to sit and watch his teammates[/B].[/quote]Yeah, but what good does that do? It's like suspending a kid from school for a week because he was skipping class.

I say do that opposite. Make him practice and that's where you ride him harder than everyone else. Every drill, "not fast enough Albert. You're not hitting hard enough Albert. Line up again Albert. You're still considered a back up Albert." Keep that shit up to prove a point but don't hold him out of practice until he can run up and down the field.

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none of this would even be an issue if the fat ass would have just attended some of the voluntary work outs and the mandatory mini camp. fat al brought this on himself.

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[quote=Mattyk;715372]I highly doubt MS wanted him to fail the test. [B]Do we really think MS wants this drama to continue?[/B] Does he really want to have to keep answering questions about this guy??[/quote]Based purely on today's events, there's a correct answer to this, and it's not the way you're leaning.

As for what Shanahan is ultimately trying to do here (because, obviously, there was premeditation here), I don't really know. Because I don't know, I can't tell you if I think it will backfire. Maybe he's done this "test" with other players -- like a Gerrard Warren, back in the day -- and then demoted them for effect on the team. We're so far beyond the realm of something I feel comfortable analyzing that it's almost worth not talking about.

But because it's Haynesworth, it's not going away.

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SS's article sure made me think Shanny wanted to get the point across. In a grown up world, we all get it. Tomorrow he takes it and passes, and we move on. I am far more curious and (a little bit) concerned about the lack of info on TW, then AH's latest twist.

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[quote=Defensewins;715383]The 'dude' is a top 5 interior DL in the NFL. There are plenty of really top lineman in the NFL that can not pass a rigorous cardio conditioning tests.
If we all really care about winning, it is time to put all of these ridiculous situations behind us. I realize Haynesworth is a selfish fat bastard and is mostly to blame. But he is a top interior DL in the NFL that combines a rare pass rush and run stopping ability. Continuing to make Haynesworth our public punching bag is not going to help us win.
Having a healthy and positive Haynesworth on our DL this year will help us win.[/quote]

If we really care about winning you should hope that Shanahan breaks undisciplined out of shape players like Haynesworth.

Who cares if he is a top five talent. That's not good enough! He could be the best lineman of an entire generation if he actually worked hard.

Make that piece of shit work his ass off!

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[B]According to the Washington Post, Albert Haynesworth "apparently" needed a bathroom break during the second portion of his conditioning test Thursday, explaining his failure to finish.
The test consisted of two grueling 300-yard shuttle runs. He aced the first, but walked through the second, in apparent need of a bowel movement. Haynesworth will not be allowed to practice until he completes both runs. By all accounts, he's in good shape, so he should be fine on Friday's retake[/B]

Read this at PFT....this is too funny if this is true. HTTR!!!

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Look, it's Shanny's team, full stop. My guess is that AH took a bathroom break, and the coaches said fine, start over. And I bet they'd do that to any player, though AH certainly wasn't going to get special favors here.

What, should Shanny begin camp by giving AH special treatment because he's so good and such a key team player? **** that. I'm with Shanny 100% here.

I agree that this will be gone in a day or so, but the principle is clear: no special treatment for prima donnas. Those days are over. Time to become a good football TEAM!

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From a different point of view: I know there are vets here, I wonder what my sgt would have said if I stopped my 2 mile run for a potty break.

(Actually I don't wonder, I would simply have failed).

Just get on the field, take the test and pass.

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I also wish there could have been a "People of Walmart" type shot of AH as MS told him he failed.

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[quote=SmootSmack;715382]I'm sure there was more to it than simply failing a conditioning test. But I don't think Shanahan was going to just let Haynesworth show up without making him pay at least a little bit for the past several weeks.

[B]Not like he was going to just let him walk in as if nothing happened.[/B]

At the end of the day though, not a huge deal. So Haynesworth misses maybe one day of practice and is forced to sit and watch his teammates.[/quote]I'm not saying that this is right/wrong, fair/unfair, or that Shanahan is handling this the wrong way (though I am saying its inherently stubborn and childish), but if I'm head coach, that bolded part is exactly what I do. He walks in and goes to the second string like nothing happened.

To me, that "demotion", if you can even call it that, is completely fair. You weren't here, other guys were, we're going with them from day one. I'd probably do that much. But that's it. He's part of the second team defense from the moment he shows up. More football, less politics.