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[quote=Dirtbag359;692885][B]Todd McShay:[/B]

Best fits
Here are the five players who landed with teams that give them the best opportunity to maximize what they do best.

1. Gerald McCoy, DT, Tampa Bay (No. 3 overall)
2. Trent Williams, OT, Washington (No. 4)
3. Maurkice Pouncey, G/C, Pittsburgh (No. 18)
4. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Green Bay (No. 23)
5. Dan Williams, DT, Arizona (No. 26)[/quote]

i really think green bay got a great player in bulaga. i never really wanted him as our LT but i think at RT he def helps A-rogers a ton.

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The one thing that Shanny said in that first article Matty posted that I really don't like is that he already has Williams penciled in at LT. If a lack of motivation is the main knock on this kid I think you need to at least come out and say that he needs to work to earn that starting spot even if you don't really mean it. That said, I think we do have a good support system for Williams and I think he will be good.

And Dirtbag, as for the nickname, I think you need to emphasize the L and sort of drop the R when yelling it. "SIIILLLLLLLLLLVVVABAAAAAAAACK!!!"

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I am glad we picked a LT but it hard to get exicited about OL picks. Even when we picked Lavar and Samuals, I was all pumped about Lavar and was like oh yeah that Chris guy too.

I know Chris was the much better pick but I don't know. Maybe it is like this when you buy a new hot water heater for your house, you needed it but really it is not an exciting purchase.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;692938]The one thing that Shanny said in that first article Matty posted that I really don't like is that he already has Williams penciled in at LT. If a lack of motivation is the main knock on this kid I think you need to at least come out and say that he needs to work to earn that starting spot even if you don't really mean it. That said, I think we do have a good support system for Williams and I think he will be good.

[B]And Dirtbag, as for the nickname, I think you need to emphasize the L and sort of drop the R when yelling it. "SIIILLLLLLLLLLVVVABAAAAAAAACK!!!"[/B][/quote]
But really how often do you yell out OL names during a game, I personally never have.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;692938]The one thing that Shanny said in that first article Matty posted that I really don't like is that he already has Williams penciled in at LT. If a lack of motivation is the main knock on this kid I think you need to at least come out and say that he needs to work to earn that starting spot even if you don't really mean it. That said, I think we do have a good support system for Williams and I think he will be good.

And Dirtbag, as for the nickname, I think you need to emphasize the L and sort of drop the R when yelling it. "SIIILLLLLLLLLLVVVABAAAAAAAACK!!!"[/quote]

I don't think you would be as concerned if you watched Shanahan's 2 videos on Redskins.com. He does a lot of the "he has to prove himself", "you hope he's a starter but he has to prove it on the field", type comments. MS just doesn't seem like he's going to "give" anyone a spot.

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[quote=mredskins;692939][B]I am glad we picked a LT but it hard to get exicited about OL picks.[/B] Even when we picked Lavar and Samuals, I was all pumped about Lavar and was like oh yeah that Chris guy too.

I know Chris was the much better pick but I don't know. [B]Maybe it is like this when you buy a new hot water heater for your house, you needed it but really it is not an exciting purchase[/B].[/quote]

Agreed - and perhaps the reason, in the past, the water was always cold at Redskins Park.

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[quote=mredskins;692939]I am glad we picked a LT but it hard to get exicited about OL picks. Even when we picked Lavar and Samuals, I was all pumped about Lavar and was like oh yeah that Chris guy too.

I know Chris was the much better pick but I don't know. Maybe it is like this when you buy a new hot water heater for your house, you needed it but really it is not an exciting purchase.[/quote]

As much as we know management does not rely on what we the fans think when it comes to what players to select in any given draft, it's safe to say (for a great majority) of us, we can find solace in the fact a player was chosen that few can/will disagree with.

It gives us a feeling (false though it may be) that they were listening to the way we felt they should go with the #4 overall pick.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;692938]The one thing that Shanny said in that first article Matty posted that I really don't like is that he already has Williams penciled in at LT. If a lack of motivation is the main knock on this kid I think you need to at least come out and say that he needs to work to earn that starting spot even if you don't really mean it. That said, I think we do have a good support system for Williams and I think he will be good.

And Dirtbag, as for the nickname, I think you need to emphasize the L and sort of drop the R when yelling it. "SIIILLLLLLLLLLVVVABAAAAAAAACK!!!"[/quote]

He did say he needs to earn it. The question was worded like that to MS, is TW penciled in as the starter, he agreed but then stipulated of course he needs to prove himself.

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[quote=Mattyk;692957]He did say he needs to earn it. The question was worded like that to MS, is TW penciled in as the starter, he agreed but then stipulated of course he needs to prove himself.[/quote]

I think it's safe to assume every effort will be made to get him up to par in whatever area he may be lacking. Being the #4 overall selection and the commitment made to him, it's difficult to fantom him not being in the starting line-up come opening day.

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[quote=Mattyk;692957]He did say he needs to earn it. The question was worded like that to MS, is TW penciled in as the starter, he agreed but then stipulated of course he needs to prove himself.[/quote]


I picked up on that too. I am reading tea leaves but penciled in does not mean we are hitching the wagon up.

Personally, I want another proven vet LT on the team going into the season.

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[quote=Longtimefan;692967]I think it's safe to assume every effort will be made to get him up to par in whatever area he may be lacking. Being the #4 overall selection and the commitment made to him, it's difficult to fathom him not being in the starting line-up come opening day.[/quote]

I am sure he will be starting against Dallas, just not sure whether he will be RT or LT.

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It's interesting that Alex Gibbs, Zone Blocking Guru (as I understand it), was willing to take Okung.

[QUOTE]"He's nasty, and football is his life ... He's football. He'll come early, stay late. We're gonna throw him right in. He will be our starting left tackle -- day one, hour one -- and we will live with him through whatever the pain is. He's a line coach's dream. Thirty-one other line coaches are sad right now.''
--Seattle offensive line coach Alex Gibbs, on first-round tackle Russell Okung,

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There's no question Okung is going to be a quality player. We just liked Williams' overall athleticism, versatility, and upside more. Seems that Seattle would have been pretty happy with Williams too had we taken Okung instead.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;692991]It's interesting that Alex Gibbs, Zone Blocking Guru (as I understand it), was willing to take Okung.[/quote]

I agree w/the overall sentiment that taking Williams was smart, but w/the caveat that it's being viewed as a good decision simply because he's a LT. I do have some fear that Okung was the better choice & he sounds like a guy that is more of a sure thing.

As always w/a top pick, they have to be motivated beyond $, cause he's gonna get a big chunk of that before he even puts all the pads on. I don't think it's fair to expect him to be that good in his first year, maybe his second. Just hope that deja vu of the bradford hit doesn't happen in the process!

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if we had taken Okung, Alex Gibbs would be raving about how happy he was that Williams fell to them and how he felt he was the best OT in the draft. I don't think any staff member of any team would have anything remotely negative to say about their team's first round selection at this point.

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[quote=Mattyk;692996]There's no question Okung is going to be a quality player. We just liked Williams' overall athleticism, versatility, and upside more. Seems that Seattle would have been pretty happy with Williams too had we taken Okung instead.[/quote]

Yeah!! Matty, I find it rare that an OT can run a 4.8/40 as well as having the athleticism and versatility to play every position on the offensive line. That is truly rare and allows you to understand just why we were so intrigued with him.

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How come so many people were down on Gaither's work ethic, while ignoring that Williams also has a poor work ethic, apparently? I personally think Williams will be a solid player, but it's strange that people are down on one player for a poor work ethic, but are high on another player who possibly has a poor work ethic.

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I haven't heard that about Williams. Your source?

Some critics on NFLN last night were saying Okung is a major holder, partially because of his extra-long arms and his technique.

I believe we picked the best tackle in the draft.

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I'm for Flozell!

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[IMG]http://images.dawgsports.com/images/admin/penalty_flag.jpg[/IMG][quote=JLee9718;693138]I'm for Flozell![/quote]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;692991]It's interesting that Alex Gibbs, Zone Blocking Guru (as I understand it), was willing to take Okung.[/quote]

Well, it would have been more interesting if both Gorilla and OKUNGG!!!! were both on the board when they picked. No one ever said that Okung was a bad fit for a ZBS, it's just that Williams is apparently tailor made.

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The whole thing about his work ethic doesnt mean anything. At the Pro level they work about 12 plus hrs. a day, in college they are limited to what they can do. So once he comes in it will be in the hands of the coaches to bring his best out of him. So the whole work ethic thing doesn't mean anything...yet.

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[quote=warpaint;693166]The whole thing about his work ethic doesnt mean anything. At the Pro level they work about 12 plus hrs. a day, in college they are limited to what they can do. So once he comes in it will be in the hands of the coaches to bring his best out of him. So the whole work ethic thing doesn't mean anything...yet.[/quote]

I really hope Kelly shares a LOT about his rookie year. Seems like Williams would really hear what he has to say when he is telling him about the NFL.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;693170]I really hope Kelly shares a LOT about his rookie year. Seems like Williams would really hear what he has to say when he is telling him about the NFL.[/quote]

What is he going to share? I had this coach who didn't want to play rookies because thats how things were when he played? Besides receiver is such a hard position to transition and project. Especially when you don't have a franchise QB nor a competent offensive playcaller. Left Tackle, usually you either have it or you don't.

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I don't know, but basically just the basic concept that at the NFL level there are no pattycake DE's and that it's a full time job. It was mainly in response to the work ethic.

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Trent Williams at Center
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Great thread. I'm coming around on TW and its great to read Shanny's thoughts on TW being a natural in the ZBS.

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The burning question is: If Trent Williams was so good, Why did he get moved to center? It doesn't make sense to move your starting senior LT inside, no matter who's injured there unless he was a liability outside.

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[quote=diehard;693251]The burning question is: If Trent Williams was so good, Why did he get moved to center? It doesn't make sense to move your starting senior LT inside, no matter who's injured there unless he was a liability outside.[/quote]

I think it is also a liability to play someone at center that doesn't know what the hell they are doing. This guy can play several positions, and that's always a plus.

Oh and I don't think this is much of a burning question.

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His ability to slide over to center should be seen as a big plus. That's not an easy thing to do at all.

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[quote=Buster;693072]I haven't heard that about Williams. Your source?

Some critics on NFLN last night were saying Okung is a major holder, partially because of his extra-long arms and his technique.

I believe we picked the best tackle in the draft.[/quote]

According to ESPN he :
Has shown some versatility and willingness to put team ahead of self and has lined up at LOT, ROT and OC throughout career. Has a few off the field issues and habits. [B]Questionable overall passion for the game and work ethic. Not a fan of the weight room.[/B]

Maybe he will turn it around after college, but I don't agree with the idea that he wasn't working out in college due to his, possibly, busy schedule.

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[quote=Duffman003;693420]According to ESPN he :
Has shown some versatility and willingness to put team ahead of self and has lined up at LOT, ROT and OC throughout career. Has a few off the field issues and habits. [B]Questionable overall passion for the game and work ethic. Not a fan of the weight room.[/B]

Maybe he will turn it around after college, but I don't agree with the idea that he wasn't working out in college due to his, possibly, busy schedule.[/quote]

well hopefully we can get a very incentive based contract instead of giving him 42 mil without taking a snap as a redskin. i feel like we have more reward with william over okung with minimal risk

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[quote=Dirtbag359;692879]Arizona is the only team I've really been able to see that stocked up on pass catchers and received any real benefit. Dez Bryant is basically a locker room time bomb. [B]Now personally I consider Ray Lewis a bomb disposal expert[/B] so if Baltimore had selected him then that would have been a great pick, but put him in a Dallas locker room that just got over not having T.O. there and you hopefully have a locker room implosion. Of course if he develops it'll be dangerous for us, but I'm hoping for another Charles Rogers.[/quote]

Great line! Sooooooo Dallas should really find a way to acquire Ray Lewis :)

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[quote=diehard;693251]The burning question is: If Trent Williams was so good, Why did he get moved to center? It doesn't make sense to move your starting senior LT inside, no matter who's injured there unless he was a liability outside.[/quote]
I have to ask....do you think that the...Shanny's, Bruce, etc were unaware of this in their evaluations?

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[quote=The Goat;693501]Great line! Sooooooo Dallas should really find a way to acquire Ray Lewis :)[/quote]

Thank you. I know that I hope a lot of crappy lines I come up with get quoted but I was really proud of that one.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;692879]Arizona is the only team I've really been able to see that stocked up on pass catchers and received any real benefit. Dez Bryant is basically a locker room time bomb. [B] Now personally I consider Ray Lewis a bomb disposal expert[/B] so if Baltimore had selected him then that would have been a great pick, but put him in a Dallas locker room that just got over not having T.O. there and you hopefully have a locker room implosion. Of course if he develops it'll be dangerous for us, but I'm hoping for another Charles Rogers.[/quote]

Is that because he jumps on the pile after a tackle has already been made?

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[quote=WaldSkins;693589]Is that because he jumps on the pile after a tackle has already been made?[/quote]

No, it's more of a reference to his ability to command respect in the locker room. Personally I have never heard of the Ravens locker room blowing up and it's not like they haven't brought in questionable characters. I seriously doubt a guy like Dez Bryant would get very far with his "diva" routine had he gone to Baltimore. Dallas on the other hand all but seems to encourage such behavior, even though at this point it might be unintentional.

It's very similar to the level of respect I command around here in the Warpath, especially in the Locker Room part of the forum. I mean when's the last time you saw someone challenge my status as the alpha dog?

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Just wanted to tip my hat to our very own Trent Williams by bumping this thread. I thought he did wonderfully for his first game, even if he says he was "nervous" the entire time.

In comparison, Sam Bradford found himself hit repeatedly in his first game due to poor LT play from Jason Smith, the Ram's last year's first round pick (#2 overall). Admittedly, we were playing the Bills..

[QUOTE]
[B]Sam Bradford fine, but he needs protection
[/B]
August 15, 2010 at 12am

Unfortunately for Bradford, right tackle Jason Smith could not block backup Minnesota Vikings defensive end Jayme Mitchell, a player whose most recent regular-season sack came in 2007 (one of 4.0 career sacks for Mitchell). It's not good when the player St. Louis drafted second overall in 2009 cannot prevent an NFL backup from roughing up the new franchise quarterback. But there were mitigating factors. Smith has missed time to injury lately. He improved significantly through the course of the preseason a year ago, and he has time to do the same this summer.

Perhaps this was merely an off night for Smith, but I came out of this game with more questions about Smith's pass protection than about Bradford's poise or potential. Consider it a reminder that quarterbacks, though increasingly important as the NFL becomes more pass-oriented, still need considerable support to function, let alone flourish.

Bradford's third and final series of the first half went like this:
First down: Mitchell drives Smith off the ball, raises his hands and bats down Bradford's pass.

Second down: Mitchell beats Smith again, disrupting Bradford and collecting a half-sack on the play.

Third down: Mitchell beats Smith for a full sack this time.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/21301/sam-bradford-fine-but-he-needs-protection]Sam Bradford fine, but he needs protection - NFC West Blog - ESPN[/url]
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And to think a significant portion of Redskins fans were perfectly content to just go ahead draft a QB on the HOPE that Shanahan would pull some magic trick out of his hat for the bunch of mediocre or bad players we had kept over from the past year and develop them into a Chris Samuels caliber players. I'm so happy that they have had the mental snot knocked out of them with the T. Williams pick and the Jammal Brown trade. Sometimes you gotta spend big to get big talent. No more cheapskate Vinny philosophy to building an Oline.

And I'm glad Shanny has once again hit on his talent evaluation.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;720672]And to think a significant portion of Redskins fans were perfectly content to just go ahead draft a QB on the HOPE that Shanahan would pull some magic trick out of his hat for the bunch of mediocre or bad players we had kept over from the past year and develop them into a Chris Samuels caliber players. I'm so happy that they have had the mental snot knocked out of them with the T. Williams pick and the Jammal Brown trade. Sometimes you gotta spend big to get big talent. No more cheapskate Vinny philosophy to building an Oline.

And I'm glad Shanny has once again hit on his talent evaluation.[/quote]

What we have here is a case of immediate gratification. You could very well end up being right but you're judging the entire direction of a franchise based on one week of preseason games. Am I happy with who we got this offseason? You're damn right I am.

However it's possible that we could be back to square one in 3-5 years looking for another QB all the while Bradford has the Rams in the playoff hunt on an annual basis.

Also hypothetically speaking we still could have traded for Jamaal Brown at around the same price we got him for this year, and at this point Jamaal Brown is a much better LT then Williams. It's just that Shanahan would rather put Trent in this position from the get go.

All in all I'm ecstatic to have Trent, and even happier to have McNabb but it's way to early to say we would have been making a mistake had Bradford fell into our laps. All in all you still win in this league with QB play, we were just lucky that the Eagles brass decided to go on a bender during Easter Weekend and trade us McNabb (same with Jamaal Brown). I wouldn't count on that type of luck repeating itself.