re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;690479]Ok, I think I have the details (still no confirmation):

We traded our 5th for Carriker and their 5th[/quote]

A solid depth pickup. Daniels can't play forever.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;690466]why do we need more picks? we traded our 2nd and got a franchise QB. we traded a 5th for a former 1st rounder who Haslett feels will be an ideal DE in our new 3-4. The only picks this new coaching staff have traded have yielded Day 1 starters. Its rare that 2nd and 5th rounders amount to that.

Its not like years past when we traded 3rd and 4th round picks for TJ Ducket and Brandon Lloyd. Its not like 2008 when we traded a 2nd and 6th for Jason Taylor. We're not just pissing away our picks. Would I like to acquire more picks - hell yes. But if we dont, i'm satisfied that we traded our picks for players who will fit our system and who project to be starters in 2010, 2011, and 2012, at the least.

The only think i'm upset about is using a 3rd rounder on Jarmon. If we had kept the 4-3, it would have been a great move. however, in retrospect, its a completely wasted pick. Jarmon really doesnt fit anywhere in a 3-4 scheme... I can't beleive we're moving him to OLB.[/quote]

I hope you are right. It's definitely the best perspective.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

And some people were saying package Godzilla in a trade for Carriker... LOL What a joke.

That is why we are on a message board speculating and Shanahan and Allen are paid to do what they do.

I see this as a sign that Phat Albert stays. THE FUTURE IS NOW!

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

That would be a steal, how much is left on his contract, we've got to be sending AH to them after the draft. DON'T TRADE AH, DON'T TRADE AH DON'T TRADE AH.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;690490]Confirmed: Redskins send their 5th round pick (#132 overall) to Rams for DE Adam Carriker and Rams 5th round pick from Eagles (#163 overall)[/quote]

seriously am i missing something here??? did he sleep wioth the owners wife or knock up his daughter???

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=diehardskin2982;690487]Cody Glenn is rare... put in real perspective all 32 teams will have passed on these players 4 times and some teams even will have passed on these guys 5 times. While only 13 teams passed on Carriker once when he was drafted.[/quote]Your point is?

My point is that we got someone who's likely to be better than the average 5th round pick. If you look at the whole 5th round in the 2009 draft, there are a ton of nobodies there.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

Updating the thread title

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=franklinhimself;690469]This draft is a very deep draft. I feel like many teams are willing to get picks for under-performing players by shipping them out, even if it's a 5th rounder (Holmes, Carriker). But who will be willing to take Haynesworth, Campbell, and possibly McIntosh except for other teams that are horrible with the draft (Oakland)?

Guess I'll say a pray for ol' DC that Jim Schwartz wants Haynesworth back and Oakland/Buffalo miss out on one of the top 4 QBs and will take Campbell for a 4th rder or something.[/quote]

You are going to say a prayer that we deal our best player to Detroit?

What is Detroit going to give us that replaces Al? Don't say the second pick, we arent' getting that.

A 4th for JC? Not looking likely.

Re: Report: Carriker Traded to Skins
 

[quote=SmootSmack;690490]Confirmed: Redskins send their 5th round pick (#132 overall) to Rams for DE Adam Carriker and Rams 5th round pick from Eagles (#163 overall)[/quote]

Ok got it...thanks! Didn't realize the Rams had a late 5th to trade. Seems like a great trade for the skins.

Re: Report: Carriker Traded to Skins
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;690457]Carriker will be better for the skins than anyone we'd draft in the 5th round. Great move. I wonder if this qualifies as the "big move" JLC has been alluding to.[/quote]

I disagree. Carriker hasn't done anything on one of the worst teams in the league. Teams like Indy find startres on the 0-line in the 5th round. But we didn't lose the 5th rounder, just moved down so it might be worth the risk.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

Genius move!

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;690472]Wow...hopefully getting Haynesworth off our roster will yield a pick higher than a 5th rounder.[/quote]


You would really consider trading Godzilla for a 5th rounder? Seriously?

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[quote=diehard;690493]A solid depth pickup. Daniels can't play forever.[/quote]

Yes, Adam Schefter reported that we got Carriker for swapping 5th rounders with the Rams (the 5th rounder that they got from Philly).

Great deal for the Skins!

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

Carricker has 2 yrs remaining on his rookie contract, so we will pay him 1.07 m in '10 and 1.42 M in 2011.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=celts32;690488]This doesn't make much sense? If we only swapped 5th rounders then we got him for virtually nothing?[/quote]
He's coming off season ending shoulder surgery, isn't a true DT, and doesn't really fit STL's scheme.

If he's healthy, he's a great fit at 3-4 DE, and an absolute steal for what we gave up.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

So far, I see that he's a former First Round (#13) pick from 07. Played a great rookie season in 07, did OK in 08, and has no stats from 09.
I'm not overly excited on this trade. How much might we get out of him? Could end up starting, could end up riding the pine.

I AM EXCITED that it cost us moving from 132 to only 163. If those reports are true, then it's a real steal. Vinny would have sent them a 4th and a 5th.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=mlmdub130;690481]so they are really gonna try and make a run for the playoffs instead of a true rebuild it looks like. it's gonna be really interesting to see what we get for, and where soup and fat al end up. i have a sneaky suspiscion we won't know dick until roughly around 7:45 est thursday night[/quote]


Did anyone out there seriously think that Shanahan was brought in here to "rebuild"?


Rebuilding doesn't exist in the NFL. That is a euphimism that teams like Buffalo and Tampa Bay use to say that they have given up and they are just going to collect TV revenue.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

This will make moving Andre Carter easier

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

So we swapped 5th rounders AND got a player?

This deal sounds like a steal.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;690490]Confirmed: Redskins send their 5th round pick (#132 overall) to Rams for DE Adam Carriker and Rams 5th round pick from Eagles (#163 overall)[/quote]

So the price for Carriker was moving down not quite 30 spots in the 5th round. If he turns out to be the kind of 3-4 DE that we think he is, that is a huge steal by ShanAllen.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;690511]This will make moving Andre Carter easier[/quote]

Agreed. I do not think this in any way foreshadows moving Haynesworth. Carriker is no replacement for Al. We'd be downgrading massively if that's the plan.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

yeah I was just about to say byebye andre carter. Hopefully he'll pan out for us. Not much risk for us in terms that we are only moving back in the 5th round. Chances are we will be able to snag who we wanted to with the higher pick anyways.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;690496]That would be a steal, how much is left on his contract, we've got to be sending AH to them after the draft. DON'T TRADE AH, DON'T TRADE AH DON'T TRADE AH.[/quote]


Huh? What are they going to give us for AH? The Rams have nothing we want.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

I don't think I'd call this a genius move, but it's got plenty of room to be a value pickup.

We're giving up the value of a late 6th rounder, which isn't much at all. But again, Carriker's value isn't high, so this trade will be worth what we can make of it.

If we had given the Rams our 7th rounder, that would have been about the same type of value trade, but I think that 1) we certainly would have preferred to have 4 picks instead of 5 going into Thursday (one way or another, I think we'll add more than 4 players in this draft). And secondly, I think there's more that the Rams can do with a top 140 pick than with the 163rd pick and a relatively valueless 7th rounder.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

Just made my front 7 prediction look a lot better :)

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;690510]Did anyone out there seriously think that Shanahan was brought in here to "rebuild"?


Rebuilding doesn't exist in the NFL. That is a euphimism that teams like Buffalo and Tampa Bay use to say that they have given up and they are just going to collect TV revenue.[/quote]

i thought this team was in shambles, i'm just surprised they think we have enough talent on our roster to make a few moves and be a contender. i mean i know zorn wasn't the greatest coach ever i just didn't realize the guy was a freaking moron, and maybe ol bug eyes got it right when he said we had a playoff roster. regaurdless the next few years should be really interesting. and did i menton we f-ing made out like bandits with this trade! we dropped what 25 picks to pick up a former first rounder with a cheap contract.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;690501]You are going to say a prayer that we deal our best player to Detroit?

What is Detroit going to give us that replaces Al? Don't say the second pick, we arent' getting that.

A 4th for JC? Not looking likely.[/quote]

No, getting their 2nd overall pick doesn't seem possible. I agree.
I'm just not a big fan of Haynesworth as a teammate/player and his absence for these offseason workouts.

I'll be properly shut up if he plays lights out and our D-line is top 5 this year, but I'd rather have a few more higher rd picks to shore up the bigger need- [B]O-line.
[/B]

I meant that I hope some teams miss on positions of need they are targeting and are willing to trade for AH, Campbell after Thursday night so we can get a a few more picks- like a 2nd rd, 3rd rd, and 5th rd or something.

We'll see when it's all over on Saturday.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=mlmdub130;690523]i thought this team was in shambles, i'm just surprised they think we have enough talent on our roster to make a few moves and be a contender. i mean i know zorn wasn't the greatest coach ever i just didn't realize the guy was a freaking moron, and maybe ol bug eyes got it right when he said we had a playoff roster. regaurdless the next few years should be really interesting. and did i menton we f-ing made out like bandits with this trade! we dropped what 25 picks to pick up a former first rounder with a cheap contract.[/quote]


This team was competitive in almost every game even with the most dysfunctional offensive system in the league and o-lineman off the trash heap.

I think this trade was a steal too. We didn't make trades like this with Vinny.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=mlmdub130;690523]i thought this team was in shambles, i'm just surprised they think we have enough talent on our roster to make a few moves and be a contender. i mean i know zorn wasn't the greatest coach ever i just didn't realize the guy was a freaking moron, and maybe ol bug eyes got it right when he said we had a playoff roster. regaurdless the next few years should be really interesting. and did i menton we f-ing made out like bandits with this trade! we dropped what 25 picks to pick up a former first rounder with a cheap contract.[/quote]I don't think the team was ever in shambles, I just think we had an overachieving offense with very little actual talent, and an underachieving defense with a plethora of talent it couldn't use/didn't understand.

With that said, our solutions on offense throughout this offseason have appeared to be some combination of the formula (Mike Shanahan's hubris + the 4th overall pick) = wins!! No research I've ever done suggests that is going to work, but both Shanahan's seem quite convinced that it will. Of course, I would expect nothing less.

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[URL="http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/around-the-horns/around-the-horns/2009/09/carrikers-surgery-set-for-wednesday/"]Carriker's 2009 shoulder injury[/URL]

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My solution would have been (talent influx on offense + general competency on defense). Of course, I'll never find out if that would have actually worked, so I'm just going to assume it would have :)

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

He misses the boat a lot, A LOT, but credit where credit is due. JLC was the first person (last month) to talk about Redskins interest in Carriker

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

Carter and Rocky for a 3rd and 6th rounders?

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=Lotus;690529][URL="http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/around-the-horns/around-the-horns/2009/09/carrikers-surgery-set-for-wednesday/"]Carriker's 2009 shoulder injury[/URL][/quote]

Thanks for clearing up the injury report.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;690532]Carter and Rocky for a 3rd and 6th rounders?[/quote]

Do you have a link?

re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

There's more. We also swapped 7th rounders. So we move up 3 spots

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[quote=SmootSmack;690531]He misses the boat a lot, A LOT, but credit where credit is due. JLC was the first person (last month) to talk about Redskins interest in Carriker[/quote]


Sure he deserves credit for this but having interest in a guy with a modest contract is a lot different than we are actively shopping a guy we paid 32 million for 12 games despite what the coach, the coaches mouthpiece, the GM and DC are saying.

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[quote=backrow;690534]Do you have a link?[/quote]

Sorry, just suggesting it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;690535]There's more. We also swapped 7th rounders. So we move up 3 spots[/quote]

What is that worth on the draft chart? A free #1 pick jersey?

Re: Redskins Send 5th Rounder to Rams for Carriker and a 5th (Swap 7ths)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;690535]There's more. We also swapped 7th rounders. So we move up 3 spots[/quote]

This trade is making less and less sense, but I like it more and more.